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As the creator and (so far) primary contributor to this page, I am working from my own knowledge of autogas systems, which is primarily Australian based. I have only a little bit of knowledge of how things vary elsewhere. It is possible that some of the things I take for granted as being how things are done worldwide today may not be. If you spot something that is not consistent with how things are done in your country or area, please discuss it here or mention the regional variation when adding to the article. -- Athol Mullen 02:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
"While Mitsubishi and Toyota only offer sedans, Ford and Holden also offer wagons and utilities. All are dual fuel vehicles, with the exception of Ford, whose E-Gas Falcon LPG model runs on autogas only."
I removed the above because Toyota Landcruiser Prado (not a sedan) can be converted to run on LPG. Mitsubishi Pajero can too. Furthermore, not all of these offered are dual fuel. E.g. a Camry can be converted to LPG only. -- Knowledge-is-power 04:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
"Whilst autogas is currently excise-free, excise is to be imposed on all vehicle fuels that are not currently subject to excise, being added incrementally from 2011 to 2015. The excise on autogas will start at 2.5 cents per litre in 2011 and reach 12.5 cents per litre by 2015." I altered this to address a change of tense.
I also believe the following sentence in the same paragraph is now outdated: "The additional excise on autogas is being offset somewhat by a subsidy that was implemented in 2006 for private motorists, paying either A$2,000 to convert their existing vehicle to autogas, or A$1,000 for purchasing a new vehicle that was manufactured to operate on autogas.[10]" The grant/rebate amounts available changed over time and the entire LPG Vehicle Scheme closed on 30 June 2014. Applications can be made if the conversion/new vehicle fitted with LPG was purchased before 30 June 2014 and the application is received within 12 months from the conversion or new vehicle purchase and on or before 30 September 2014. Eligible private vehicle owners can claim a grant of A$2,000 after buying a new vehicle fitted with LPG before its first registration, or A$1,000 after converting an existing registered vehicle to operate on LPG only, LPG and petrol, or LPG and diesel. [1] Perhaps someone with more experience in Wikipedia editing could make these changes. -- 104398 11:15, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
This article would be much better if anyone could add some information about how the LPG control system interfaces to a modern multipoint injection system. This seems to be just about carburettor based systems. I don't think I've even seen a carb in ten years so some sections are not really relevant —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.69.79.28 ( talk • contribs) 19:08, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
LPG Autogas is available on the forecourt stations of Shell in the UK and Autogas Limited manufactures it. - - Autogas Ltd is a joint venture between Calor Gas, a leading LPG (liquefied petroleum gas) company and Shell. By Shell selling Autogas it has made LPG an alternative to petrol and diesel. -- Chris Marchant 16:33, 10 June 2007 (BST)
Just like to add that lpg is quite popular and widely availabe in Belgium. It should be added to the country list.
What's a typical full tank pressure? There are no operating pressures mentioned too. Arny ( talk) 18:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I just installed my autogas system on a Hyndai Tucson 2006, and the results have been incredble!. I'd like to add information to the article. Feel free to give me some feedbacks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rafaelrod ( talk • contribs) 14:54, 23 December 2007
Why is autogas chosen or not over diesel oil or gasoline? The article only mentions price but that is very dependent of the respective taxes. So why do whole countries not switch to mostly one fuel? Are there differences in cost of maintenance or power or autonomy or risk? -- 84.20.17.84 ( talk) 16:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
why would other people don't use LPG? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.226.225.254 ( talk) 01:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
well this is kinda embarassing but I was redirected to this page from tng, and i was expecting a star trek article. I really have no problem with tng redirecting here except there's no explaination on the page for what "tng" means —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.245.220.53 ( talk) 08:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Does the use of incompatable connectors (Acme thread, Dutch Bayonet and Italian) create difficulties for motorists in border areas or visiting neighbouring countries (e.g. Netherlands/Belgium, Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland, Austria/Germany, Italy/Switzerland etc ) ? 86.112.238.238 ( talk) 13:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I have been looking at the BRC Blos propane carburetor which appears to work on a different principle to a normal propane mixer. I don't know whether other companies make similar products. I think it would be worth mentioning. Dieselnutjob ( talk) 17:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The United States section was recently added by the brand new user User:Allianceautogas ( contribs) using references from http://autogasforamerica.org . This looks suspiciously like Autogas For America adding info about themselves - which is frowned upon by Wikipedia. The information added so far seems reasonable but it will bear watching. Stepho ( talk) 22:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
i have to blank out this section. the science and figures used are not correct. typical diesels have an efficiency of 45%, and a theoretical of 65% maximum. if someone wishes to reinsert this section they may, if they use a reliable source. thank you Scoobertwho ( talk) 23:47, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
This section on valve protection fluid needs some references and information about why and when the product is necessary or desirable. I didn't find anything other than advertizing in a quick look around the net. Engines with hardened (Stellite) valve seats wouldn't benefit much if at all from the product, but engines designed to run on leaded fuel typically need something to replace the protective effect that lead had on the valve seats and so would benefit. 98.248.42.250 ( talk) 01:31, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
The original value given (35% after a blog) compares emissions by liter (not equivalent amount, as stated in the article). However, the density of autogas is significantly lower than gasoline. In calculating the 'equivalent amount' one should probably also take into account the energy density. Perhaps a secion discussing those numbers would be in order? Providing only liter-by-liter comparison is at least misleading MarekZielinski ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:57, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I have heard LPG described as a by product of oil production that in a lot of cases is simply burnt or flared off, on oil rigs at sea for example. If this is the case, then surely the CO2 emissions reduction as a substitute for petrol or diesel would be very different, from just taking into account the reduced amount of carbon in the fuel compared to petrol. The CO2 from burning the LPG was going to be produced by flaring off any way... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.79.11 ( talk) 18:34, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Anon IP added the following comments to the Thailand section:
Too much errors.
1. LPG in Thailand started since 1970 era, when OPEC increased its petroleum price.
Colonel Karun Kengradomying successfully modified many Bangkok's taxi to be able to run on LPG. Once the news rippled out, all Bangkok taxi changed their engine from expensive gasoline to very low price LPG. By 1980, practically all taxi run on LPG, none on gasoline.
However, the household car owners didn't buy this idea. The conversion is done very inefficient. The smell of LPG may leak into the car. The chance of engine catches fire from pavement conversion shop is too high.
2. Around the year 2000, the gasoline price jumped from 12 baht/litre to 40 bahts/litre. But the LPG price was clamped at 9 baht/litre, as it is the main cooking fuel of the Kingdom. This fuel price distortion caused household car owners to start modify their car to LPG, hundred cars a day, nation wide. Despite dangerous work done by street-side engineer. Despite very dangerous fuel filling procedure - invert the cooking tank so the LPG can flow from the cooking tank to the car's tank.
3. Around 2005, PTT and the government started the campaign for taxi to change the fuel from LPG to CNG by largely subsidize the conversion cost, also promised to clamp the CNG price at 8.50 baht/kilogram for years. As 1 kG of CNG is equivalent to about 2 litres of LPG, most taxi buy the idea immediately.
4. Some of the household car owner buys the CNG conversion idea, too. To find out later that the weight of CNG tank (100+ kilograms) causes very fast deterioration of the car suspension. Worse, there was practically no CNG station. Worst, the fully filled CNG car can go for less than 200 kilometer before run out of gas. Thus, this CNG segment's conversion becomes less and less.
5. CNG is monopoly. Thus, the filling station number grows slowly. However, around 2008, the CNG is well known. The truck owners also started to learn that CNG can be used mixedly with the diesel fuel without any problem. The CNG-converted truck uses a lot less diesel that the lower cost of CNG pays back the high conversion cost in less than 3 months. So by 2015, most of the heavy truck has 6-8 large CNG tanks at their back. Filling of these heavy truck needs the very long time.
That's the last straw for the household car owners and taxi. They have to wait in the queue, may be up to 30 minutes before being filled. So in 2015, almost no one is willing to convert their car to CNG.
6. The LPG technology becomes more advance. The direct injected LPG is safer, more efficient, more power, as compare to carburetor-suction LPG engine. Almost on par with high-octane engine. The price of LPG (2015) is around 13 baht/litre, compared to 35 baht/litre of 95-octane gasoline, while give the same mileage, litre-to-litre.
Thus, more and more household small and middle car is converted to LPG. That's how the 1,000,000 number becomes.
I have shifted the comments to here. Stepho talk 05:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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User:Stepho-wrs did you actually read any examples as suggested? It seems clear to me you are correctly using the term "sentence case" , as per
WP:HATNOTE Links to articles should follow the
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(bold emphasis own)... but did you consider reading that literally as "the links to articles should start with a capital letter (as per sentence case)"? as I've explained, the examples are more clear and are the consensus we follow... starting with
WP:HNS This page is about the insect-produced fluid. For other uses, see
Honey (disambiguation).
(where the capital for the article name is automatically generated) , For other uses, see
Honey (disambiguation).
(ditto) ...
WP:HATCONFUSE Not to be confused with
Pearl.
. I'll leave for you to revert yourself due to 3RR, not BRD. Editing against consensus when it has been fully spelled out is the issue. Please familiarise yourself with HATNOTE before reverting again, as there's a clear consensus, and I quote
WP:BRD-NOT BRD is not a justification for imposing one's own view
BRD is not an excuse to revert any change more than once. If your reversion is met with another bold effort, then you should consider not reverting, but discussing. The talk page is open to all editors, not just bold ones. The first person to start a discussion is the person who is best following BRD.
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Widefox;
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Links to articles should follow the naming conventions for capitalization – typically sentence case, not all lower case.. It seems you're interpreting "Links to articles" as referring to formatting of the "sentence" (
In this sentence, "Not") correct? Have you considered that you're conflating sentence case and sentence and conflating hatnote and sentence? Nowhere in HATNOTE refers to a "sentence". Hatnotes aren't sentences (is it correct to start a sentence with "Not"?) I'm interpreting "Links to articles" as referring to, well, formatting of links to articles. I concede the wording needs fixing, which I may take up independently.
Not to be confused with Pearl.(both that example and this are common nouns, but we capitalise them in confuse hatnotes). We work by consensus, so if you don't agree - I suggest you take that up there, not here. (AFAIR we capitalise links to articles in navigation is because we're referring to the article not the topic, somewhat similar to use–mention distinction using italics, but that's just my understanding) Widefox; talk 20:53, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
BRD is not a valid excuse for reverting good-faith efforts to improve a page simply because you don't like the changes.My opinion is that if you disagree with the guideline, you take that up there. Per WP:CONSENSUS
involve an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Ignoring the Pearl example, and refusing to accept that links are capitalised just because you don't like that change is explicitly not acceptable per BRD. BRD is actually a way forward from deadlock, and BRD is me editing the article to break that deadlock, given the lack of weight of counter argument above. You should be aware that any discussion here about capitalising hatnotes is a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS which does not override the consensus of the guideline. Widefox; talk 23:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Autogas is actually a brand of Shell (and LPG supplier Calor in the UK, [1] seems "AutoGas" is the brand in Australia) [2], LPG is the common name in the UK. [3] Autogas is actually defunct in the UK, [4] and has never been a genericized brand name in the UK, although had some usage as a common name. [5] Widefox; talk 23:51, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
As the creator and (so far) primary contributor to this page, I am working from my own knowledge of autogas systems, which is primarily Australian based.as an Australian POV fork of LPG which has been subsequently geographically broadened but the lede not updated, and the glaring connection with a brand name never covered. wikt:autogas#Etymology_2 does actually say it was originally a trade name
originally a trade name "Autogas", but now a common noun, so the omission here of the connection with Shell is quite bad. Britannica doesn't even mention "autogas".
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As the creator and (so far) primary contributor to this page, I am working from my own knowledge of autogas systems, which is primarily Australian based. I have only a little bit of knowledge of how things vary elsewhere. It is possible that some of the things I take for granted as being how things are done worldwide today may not be. If you spot something that is not consistent with how things are done in your country or area, please discuss it here or mention the regional variation when adding to the article. -- Athol Mullen 02:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
"While Mitsubishi and Toyota only offer sedans, Ford and Holden also offer wagons and utilities. All are dual fuel vehicles, with the exception of Ford, whose E-Gas Falcon LPG model runs on autogas only."
I removed the above because Toyota Landcruiser Prado (not a sedan) can be converted to run on LPG. Mitsubishi Pajero can too. Furthermore, not all of these offered are dual fuel. E.g. a Camry can be converted to LPG only. -- Knowledge-is-power 04:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
"Whilst autogas is currently excise-free, excise is to be imposed on all vehicle fuels that are not currently subject to excise, being added incrementally from 2011 to 2015. The excise on autogas will start at 2.5 cents per litre in 2011 and reach 12.5 cents per litre by 2015." I altered this to address a change of tense.
I also believe the following sentence in the same paragraph is now outdated: "The additional excise on autogas is being offset somewhat by a subsidy that was implemented in 2006 for private motorists, paying either A$2,000 to convert their existing vehicle to autogas, or A$1,000 for purchasing a new vehicle that was manufactured to operate on autogas.[10]" The grant/rebate amounts available changed over time and the entire LPG Vehicle Scheme closed on 30 June 2014. Applications can be made if the conversion/new vehicle fitted with LPG was purchased before 30 June 2014 and the application is received within 12 months from the conversion or new vehicle purchase and on or before 30 September 2014. Eligible private vehicle owners can claim a grant of A$2,000 after buying a new vehicle fitted with LPG before its first registration, or A$1,000 after converting an existing registered vehicle to operate on LPG only, LPG and petrol, or LPG and diesel. [1] Perhaps someone with more experience in Wikipedia editing could make these changes. -- 104398 11:15, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
This article would be much better if anyone could add some information about how the LPG control system interfaces to a modern multipoint injection system. This seems to be just about carburettor based systems. I don't think I've even seen a carb in ten years so some sections are not really relevant —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.69.79.28 ( talk • contribs) 19:08, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
LPG Autogas is available on the forecourt stations of Shell in the UK and Autogas Limited manufactures it. - - Autogas Ltd is a joint venture between Calor Gas, a leading LPG (liquefied petroleum gas) company and Shell. By Shell selling Autogas it has made LPG an alternative to petrol and diesel. -- Chris Marchant 16:33, 10 June 2007 (BST)
Just like to add that lpg is quite popular and widely availabe in Belgium. It should be added to the country list.
What's a typical full tank pressure? There are no operating pressures mentioned too. Arny ( talk) 18:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I just installed my autogas system on a Hyndai Tucson 2006, and the results have been incredble!. I'd like to add information to the article. Feel free to give me some feedbacks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rafaelrod ( talk • contribs) 14:54, 23 December 2007
Why is autogas chosen or not over diesel oil or gasoline? The article only mentions price but that is very dependent of the respective taxes. So why do whole countries not switch to mostly one fuel? Are there differences in cost of maintenance or power or autonomy or risk? -- 84.20.17.84 ( talk) 16:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
why would other people don't use LPG? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.226.225.254 ( talk) 01:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
well this is kinda embarassing but I was redirected to this page from tng, and i was expecting a star trek article. I really have no problem with tng redirecting here except there's no explaination on the page for what "tng" means —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.245.220.53 ( talk) 08:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Does the use of incompatable connectors (Acme thread, Dutch Bayonet and Italian) create difficulties for motorists in border areas or visiting neighbouring countries (e.g. Netherlands/Belgium, Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland, Austria/Germany, Italy/Switzerland etc ) ? 86.112.238.238 ( talk) 13:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I have been looking at the BRC Blos propane carburetor which appears to work on a different principle to a normal propane mixer. I don't know whether other companies make similar products. I think it would be worth mentioning. Dieselnutjob ( talk) 17:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The United States section was recently added by the brand new user User:Allianceautogas ( contribs) using references from http://autogasforamerica.org . This looks suspiciously like Autogas For America adding info about themselves - which is frowned upon by Wikipedia. The information added so far seems reasonable but it will bear watching. Stepho ( talk) 22:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
i have to blank out this section. the science and figures used are not correct. typical diesels have an efficiency of 45%, and a theoretical of 65% maximum. if someone wishes to reinsert this section they may, if they use a reliable source. thank you Scoobertwho ( talk) 23:47, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
This section on valve protection fluid needs some references and information about why and when the product is necessary or desirable. I didn't find anything other than advertizing in a quick look around the net. Engines with hardened (Stellite) valve seats wouldn't benefit much if at all from the product, but engines designed to run on leaded fuel typically need something to replace the protective effect that lead had on the valve seats and so would benefit. 98.248.42.250 ( talk) 01:31, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
The original value given (35% after a blog) compares emissions by liter (not equivalent amount, as stated in the article). However, the density of autogas is significantly lower than gasoline. In calculating the 'equivalent amount' one should probably also take into account the energy density. Perhaps a secion discussing those numbers would be in order? Providing only liter-by-liter comparison is at least misleading MarekZielinski ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:57, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I have heard LPG described as a by product of oil production that in a lot of cases is simply burnt or flared off, on oil rigs at sea for example. If this is the case, then surely the CO2 emissions reduction as a substitute for petrol or diesel would be very different, from just taking into account the reduced amount of carbon in the fuel compared to petrol. The CO2 from burning the LPG was going to be produced by flaring off any way... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.79.11 ( talk) 18:34, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Anon IP added the following comments to the Thailand section:
Too much errors.
1. LPG in Thailand started since 1970 era, when OPEC increased its petroleum price.
Colonel Karun Kengradomying successfully modified many Bangkok's taxi to be able to run on LPG. Once the news rippled out, all Bangkok taxi changed their engine from expensive gasoline to very low price LPG. By 1980, practically all taxi run on LPG, none on gasoline.
However, the household car owners didn't buy this idea. The conversion is done very inefficient. The smell of LPG may leak into the car. The chance of engine catches fire from pavement conversion shop is too high.
2. Around the year 2000, the gasoline price jumped from 12 baht/litre to 40 bahts/litre. But the LPG price was clamped at 9 baht/litre, as it is the main cooking fuel of the Kingdom. This fuel price distortion caused household car owners to start modify their car to LPG, hundred cars a day, nation wide. Despite dangerous work done by street-side engineer. Despite very dangerous fuel filling procedure - invert the cooking tank so the LPG can flow from the cooking tank to the car's tank.
3. Around 2005, PTT and the government started the campaign for taxi to change the fuel from LPG to CNG by largely subsidize the conversion cost, also promised to clamp the CNG price at 8.50 baht/kilogram for years. As 1 kG of CNG is equivalent to about 2 litres of LPG, most taxi buy the idea immediately.
4. Some of the household car owner buys the CNG conversion idea, too. To find out later that the weight of CNG tank (100+ kilograms) causes very fast deterioration of the car suspension. Worse, there was practically no CNG station. Worst, the fully filled CNG car can go for less than 200 kilometer before run out of gas. Thus, this CNG segment's conversion becomes less and less.
5. CNG is monopoly. Thus, the filling station number grows slowly. However, around 2008, the CNG is well known. The truck owners also started to learn that CNG can be used mixedly with the diesel fuel without any problem. The CNG-converted truck uses a lot less diesel that the lower cost of CNG pays back the high conversion cost in less than 3 months. So by 2015, most of the heavy truck has 6-8 large CNG tanks at their back. Filling of these heavy truck needs the very long time.
That's the last straw for the household car owners and taxi. They have to wait in the queue, may be up to 30 minutes before being filled. So in 2015, almost no one is willing to convert their car to CNG.
6. The LPG technology becomes more advance. The direct injected LPG is safer, more efficient, more power, as compare to carburetor-suction LPG engine. Almost on par with high-octane engine. The price of LPG (2015) is around 13 baht/litre, compared to 35 baht/litre of 95-octane gasoline, while give the same mileage, litre-to-litre.
Thus, more and more household small and middle car is converted to LPG. That's how the 1,000,000 number becomes.
I have shifted the comments to here. Stepho talk 05:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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naming conventions for capitalization – typically
sentence case, not all lower case.
(bold emphasis own)... but did you consider reading that literally as "the links to articles should start with a capital letter (as per sentence case)"? as I've explained, the examples are more clear and are the consensus we follow... starting with
WP:HNS This page is about the insect-produced fluid. For other uses, see
Honey (disambiguation).
(where the capital for the article name is automatically generated) , For other uses, see
Honey (disambiguation).
(ditto) ...
WP:HATCONFUSE Not to be confused with
Pearl.
. I'll leave for you to revert yourself due to 3RR, not BRD. Editing against consensus when it has been fully spelled out is the issue. Please familiarise yourself with HATNOTE before reverting again, as there's a clear consensus, and I quote
WP:BRD-NOT BRD is not a justification for imposing one's own view
BRD is not an excuse to revert any change more than once. If your reversion is met with another bold effort, then you should consider not reverting, but discussing. The talk page is open to all editors, not just bold ones. The first person to start a discussion is the person who is best following BRD.
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Widefox;
talk 23:22, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Links to articles should follow the naming conventions for capitalization – typically sentence case, not all lower case.. It seems you're interpreting "Links to articles" as referring to formatting of the "sentence" (
In this sentence, "Not") correct? Have you considered that you're conflating sentence case and sentence and conflating hatnote and sentence? Nowhere in HATNOTE refers to a "sentence". Hatnotes aren't sentences (is it correct to start a sentence with "Not"?) I'm interpreting "Links to articles" as referring to, well, formatting of links to articles. I concede the wording needs fixing, which I may take up independently.
Not to be confused with Pearl.(both that example and this are common nouns, but we capitalise them in confuse hatnotes). We work by consensus, so if you don't agree - I suggest you take that up there, not here. (AFAIR we capitalise links to articles in navigation is because we're referring to the article not the topic, somewhat similar to use–mention distinction using italics, but that's just my understanding) Widefox; talk 20:53, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
BRD is not a valid excuse for reverting good-faith efforts to improve a page simply because you don't like the changes.My opinion is that if you disagree with the guideline, you take that up there. Per WP:CONSENSUS
involve an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Ignoring the Pearl example, and refusing to accept that links are capitalised just because you don't like that change is explicitly not acceptable per BRD. BRD is actually a way forward from deadlock, and BRD is me editing the article to break that deadlock, given the lack of weight of counter argument above. You should be aware that any discussion here about capitalising hatnotes is a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS which does not override the consensus of the guideline. Widefox; talk 23:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Autogas is actually a brand of Shell (and LPG supplier Calor in the UK, [1] seems "AutoGas" is the brand in Australia) [2], LPG is the common name in the UK. [3] Autogas is actually defunct in the UK, [4] and has never been a genericized brand name in the UK, although had some usage as a common name. [5] Widefox; talk 23:51, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
As the creator and (so far) primary contributor to this page, I am working from my own knowledge of autogas systems, which is primarily Australian based.as an Australian POV fork of LPG which has been subsequently geographically broadened but the lede not updated, and the glaring connection with a brand name never covered. wikt:autogas#Etymology_2 does actually say it was originally a trade name
originally a trade name "Autogas", but now a common noun, so the omission here of the connection with Shell is quite bad. Britannica doesn't even mention "autogas".