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Let's discuss change as we make them. Here are the reasons why I made the 11/10-18 edits:
Let's discuss further changes as we make them, please. ॐ Priyanath 20:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I think you have done a fabulous job. Thanks. I also think chapters "Critical View of Changes" and The Spelling of Paramahansa" are not necessary, they are not important for his biography and some different subject to me. In any case a small reference would be more than enough, but both together are nearly 700 words in an article of 4,000 words, this is too much, and in my opinion irrelevant and superfluous, sorry, I have to say what I think, and I hope it is seen as a constructive remark. I would use that space for other more important facts about Yogananda's life or teachings.-- Pedrero ( talk) 23:32, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
When was the autobiography first published? Evangeline ( talk) 20:13, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 18:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The article talks about SRF altering Yogananda's signature. The source it links to doesn't provide any information related to the signature alteration. Also, it's not a credible source. Please provide a credible source that shows that Yogananda always used to sign without an "a." It's possible that he signed both with an "a" and without an "a." The discussion that follows after the certain paragraph outlines the difference between "paramahansa" and "paramhansa" from a npov. 207.112.100.8 ( talk) 03:09, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
i reverted the article subject to sectarian vandalism. The article in the Portuguese Wikipedia has also been reverted. The controversy existis and cannot be erased. Besides, there are many publications of the book in print so it is not proper to illustrate the article with the commercial Self-Realuzation Fellowship' s publication cover, as if it is the one and only. The signature of Paramahansa Yogananda has been altered -- forged is the technical term - after the death of Yogananda. To check this please visit any of the 1946 editions free for download, which contain reproductions of all the pages -- his signature, pictures and illustrations. Thank you. I suggest a discussion before editing the page to look for a consensus. Tat Sat ( talk) 09:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
= There are a few broken links that should be updated. Thank you Tat Sat ( talk) 09:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
PS As for the Portuguese page it is protected at this moment, due to sectarian dozens of small editions which affected it's imparciality, supressing the controversy and the law suites. improvement in the article is always welcome. The vandalism was reverted. Please, don't forget to sign. Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 12:12, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Please discuss differences of opinion here rather than engage in back-and-forth on the article itself. Try to provide some evidence to support your assertions and give people a few days, rather than minutes or hours, to respond. As for the Portuguese article, well, that is a matter for that version of Wikipedia and is not particularly relevant here. Which is fortunate for me because my abilities with the Portuguese language are little better than my abilities with Gibberish! - Sitush ( talk) 14:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
The Portuguese page was protected from Red Rose editions -- not mine -- and you can verify this information even if you don´t speak Portuguese. I think it is necessary to discuss point by point. Let´s start with the use of the cover of one of the many publications (you chose SRF´s commercial cover in detriment of all the others) to illustrate the page. I suggest that if you want to use a picture of the book cover, it should be the 1946 original cover. I have it and can upload it. After arriving at a consensus about which cover should illustrate the article, we can move to other problems, in order to avoid sectarian editions of this article. Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 15:34, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
I do think that the first edition cover would be A Good Thing (and I did remove a lot of crap sourced to SRF) but are we ok on copyright grounds? It needs to be public domain both in the US and in the country of publication, or else we need to provide a fair use rationale. I am assuming that the current image is ok due to Magog's intervention. - Sitush ( talk) 15:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello - in regards to using the cover that is there - I thought it was appropriate to use the current cover of the book, with an attempt at keeping Wikipedia up-to-date. It would be a good idea however to put the historical 1946 cover image below the current cover, where the picture of Yogananda is now. It would be of interest to readers and it would also be next to the section with links to free online 1946 versions. What do you think? Red Rose 13 ( talk) 16:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
PS Why Red Rose makes hundreds of small editions? Not to be detected by the robot? I wonder... Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 17:36, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
You seem to be aware of the details of the original cover, so perhaps you can answer the questions that I have now asked twice, in different forms. Given what you have said, could you perhaps take a look at the frontispiece if you have it available? We often use those when covers are bland. - Sitush ( talk) 20:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Answer to Sitush
As for Red Rose, I can´t believe he has the courage to say that "Self-Realization Fellowship is completely non-profit organization so this has absolutely nothing to do with commercialism or money at all". Of course they make a lot of money with commercial activities. Or did people from SRF learn some yogic power to materialize money out of thin air? Also, does the similarity between the original cover and Ananda´s cover make the original cover unnacceptable? But Red Rose insists in using SRF´s cover to illustrate the article, of all the covers that exist. It is sectarism. - Thank you, Tat Sat ( talk) 20:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I am not reading a court document - I am not qualified to do so. Since copyrights cannot be renewed & first publication was USA, 1946,, the latter is the bit that matters. Is the cover as Red Rose describes? Does it even have the title on it? - Sitush ( talk) 21:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
While we were discussing to try to reach a cosensus Red Rose vandalised the article again. He supressed even the differences between editions, that I had reverted. Besides Red Rose thinks that the SRF' s book with the text adulterated many years after the author's death is the "complete" edition. If the page is not reverted and we start editing from there looking for a consensus, I will request WP:DRN. Certainly there are editors who have experience in editing articles about books. I repeat: the article is about a book publushed in 1946 WITH a cover and we cannot put the book's cover because Red Rose does not like it. Tat Sat ( talk) 03:13, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
WikiProject Books guidelines are quite clear about the infobox. The infobox should describe the first edition of the book. Furthermore, it is stated that: "If using an image of the book cover art, try to select the cover of the book's first edition. If using an image of the author, try to select a photo dated around the time of the book's publication." These guidelines should be followed here, and I've corrected the image, the publisher (cited to the US Library of Congress), and removed the ISBN (the first edition did not have one).
These choices are the standards observed throughout Wikipedia with respect to articles about books. They should be implemented without question. Those wishing to follow these standards should not have to go to meditation to get them adhered to. Rather, those who want to vary from the standard have to make a case for such variance and get consensus from all the editors of the page. This has not been done, and the standards should therefore be followed. Yworo ( talk) 00:28, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I think the Rider editions are all reprints of their 1950 edition. Anybody know for sure? Yworo ( talk) 01:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
The quotes I hid refer to one of the many versions of the book published and heavily edited by SRF - after the death of its author. Ethics in Publication forbids unmistakably any change in a book after the author´s death - unless he has left written evidence of his intentions. This is done to protect the work. Since SRF forged the signature of the author many years after his death and has not provided any proof that confirms the author wished to change the text, the book as is published by SRF is a VERSION. There are many opinions of the book that do not advertise SRF as if it was the "official" publisher of the book. This is an article about a book, not a means of advertising a specific publisher. Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 12:54, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
As I told you, Red Rose, claims such as you tried to insert into the article must be cited to third-party sources. You made claims that were completely unsupported by any sources at all. You can't do that. You are making assumptions from primary data (the copyright pages of the books), which is original research. I've removed such claims. Please don't add them again. Yworo ( talk) 17:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Red Rose, this page is not about the SRF´s version of the book. Funny how you are worried about the spelling of the Anandamayi Ma´s name and corrected it because you said something like "that was not how Yogananda spelt it". And yet, you think the forgery of Yogananda´s signature is immaterial. A case of two weights and two measures? You "adapted" some text I wrote at Yworo´s draft page of the article. And I spelt it Anandamayi Ma - and not "Ananda Moi Ma" as you have "corrected" for a reason: I checked and saw it should refer to the Wikipedia´s article about the same person - which is spelt like I wrote. Going a little bit further, as Yworo wrote, "Tibetan and Chinese mispronunciations of Sanskrit mantras actually work for the Tibetans and the Chinese, but if you have a mission to "correct" them, you've got your life's work ahead of you, I guess." The mantra Om mani padme hum ओं मणिपद्मे हूं, (in tibetan ཨོཾ་མ་ཎི་པ་དྨེ་ཧཱུྃ )- especially revered in Tibet, is pronounced by the Tibetans quite differently: om mani peh meh hum. In Mongolia they chant "Om mani pay me hum". I saw thousands of Tibetan Lamas and Tulkus and Lopöns reciting it in unison in the Himalayas - Himagiri, Hemagiri: "Giriraj Sringe Mahadev Sange" - . And it seems to work for them. As for you, as long as you deny you having any connections to SRF, the "page of Autobiography of a Yogi" cannot improve. It´s nice to have a modest and unpretencious nature. I´m speaking generally, of course. And you keep preventing me from making it neutral, although you keep making literally hundreds of small editions to make it difficult to to separate the wheat from the chaff. It seems this page belongs to you for advertising Self-Realization Fellowship heavily edited version of the book, done after the author´s death. Deliberately a provocation agains the neutral point of view of Wikipedia, as it gives the false impression Wikipedia supports SRF´s version. Tat Sat ( talk) 23:31, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia´s decision to remove the copyrighted image of SRF´s cover of its version of the book has been disregarded. Red Rose uploaded the same image erased with another name. I removed it again. It was not my decision. By the way, Red Rose asked to have the image of Yogananda´s signature which is in public domain erased saying he was not sure the image was copyrighted - a doubt removed the image which is in a public domain book (all its content). The article as it is, is not neutral. I will be posting the changes made in the book after the author´s death, including its signature. Hope we can come to a consensus. I am not intending to remove SRF´s point of view, though, just add another point of view. Tat Sat ( talk) 12:37, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia Commons removed the image of the current cover. Yworo said to upload it through Wikipedia itself, which I did yesterday. Please stop removing things unless you have discussed it here. If you are going to accuse me of things, show proof. I did not have anything to do with the removal of the signature. Yworo our expert Wikipedia editor said regarding your wanting to post abut the changes on this page -
"The most we are really going to be able to include would be something like the following:
Anything you add about this beyond what Yworo said that we are allowed to do on Wikipedia, I will be reverting. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 14:07, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Guillaume, the curent image in the infobox is not a copyrighted image. The book and its contents, including the cover, illustrations and photographs is in public domain. Red Rose will not allow the article to become neutral. We went through mediation and it took us months to insert the correct picture of the cover you just removed. Who told you the image is copyrighted? But the image you say is correct was deleted by Wikipedia because it is copyrighted. Could you please put the cover of the book back? Besides Red Rose will not allow a neutral point of view. The page as it is advertises the version of the book published by Self-Realization Fellowship. I will tag the page as not neutral. If I keep being unable to edit the page with facts and the book history, we will have to ask mediation again. Mediation was just closed. Is that what Red Rose wants? Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 15:35, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
What I inserted and you removed is absolutely correct and neutral. It also has SRF´s point of view. We are dealing with facts. SRF did change the text immensely after the author´s death. And the author´s signature. I hope you agree with a neutral point of view. Just read what Wikipedia says in the help section. As it is the article is not neutral and you are aware of this. Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 16:37, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I have (deliberately) not looked at this article for a while. I've just now read the lead section and, well, it seems dreadful to me. What on earth are all those hagiographic quotations doing in there? Where is the attempt to be neutral and not to give undue weight to any particular person's opinion etc? - Sitush ( talk) 18:08, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
'The kind of detail about changes to the text listed in the table is simply not appropriate for an encyclopedia article. The most we are really going to be able to include would be something like the following - Ananda Sangha has detailed editorial changes in the text made by the Self-Realization Fellowship starting with the 1956 7th edition, (cite) including a change made to Yogananda's signature in 1958, inserting an "a" to change "Paramhansa" to Paramahansa". (cite) SRF responded to these observations in a letter dated such-and-such, stating that all changes were done based on the wishes of Yogananda himself.(cite) This statement along with one more sentence addressing the signature with a (cite) would be a neutral way to express the disagreement. Then the reader can follow the links and decide for themselves. The page should be about the book not the so called controversy by one party. Also in regards to the reprints, it is actually a list of editions, if we listed the reprints, we would be overwhelmed with the number. Yworo actually researched and found most of the editions and placed them there. He mentioned that it is significant to have a list of the editions because, it is very unusual, indicating a very popular book even after 66 years. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 18:56, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
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I'm not interested in rehashing discussions about who printed what when etc. Well, not now at any rate. If you cannot concentrate and use a talk page as it is intended to be used then I'll be sorely tempted to find an admin who is willing to block for disruption. - Sitush ( talk) 19:16, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I added the first sentence and then here is what is in the overview section right now that when I reread it, is actually a good summary in my view.
Autobiography of a Yogi is an autobiography of Paramahansa Yogananda (January 5, 1893–March 7, 1952) first published in 1946. Yogananda was born Mukunda Lal Ghosh in Gorakhpur, India, into a Bengali family of the Kshatriya caste.
The Autobiography of a Yogi takes the reader on a journey into the spiritual adventures of Paramahansa Yogananda. The book begins by describing Yogananda's childhood family life to his search for his guru to the establishment of his first school, Yogoda Satsanga Brahmacharya Vidyalaya [1] to his journey to America where he lectured to thousands, [2] established Self-Realization Fellowship [3] and visited with Luther Burbank, [4] a renowned botanist to whom this book is dedicated. The book then takes you on Yogananda's return visit to India in 1935 where he encountered leading spiritual figures such as Therese Neumann [5] in Bavaria, the Hindu saint Ananda Moyi Ma, [6] Mahatma Gandhi, [7] Rabindranath Tagore, [8] Nobel Prize-winning physicist Sir C. V. Raman, [9] and Giri Bala, "the woman yogi who never eats." [10] The reader then returns to the West with Yogananda where he continues to establish his teachings in America including writing this book.
What do you think? Red Rose 13 ( talk) 20:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Autobiography of a Yogi(1946) is a memoir written by Paramahansa Yogananda (January 5, 1893–March 7, 1952), first published in 1946. Yogananda was born Mukunda Lal Ghosh in Gorakhpur, India, into a welthy [11] Bengali family.
The book describes Yogananda's life from his birth through his search for a guru to his life in America. The author claims that the writing of the book was prophesied long ago by the nineteenth-century master Lahiri Mahasaya: “About fifty years after my passing, an account of my life will be written because of a deep interest in yoga that will arise in the West. The message of yoga will encircle the globe.” [12].” In 1945, exactly fifty years after Lahiri Mahasaya’s passing, Yogananda finished writing his Autobiography of a Yogi.
The preface was written by Oxford scholar of anthropology and pioneer in the study of Tibetan Buddhism, Walter Evans-Wentz.
Overview
Yogananda´s autobiography is “an eyewitness recountal of the extraordinary lives and powers of modern Hindu saints.” [13] It provides a broad description of Yogananda´s encounters with leading spiritual figures of East and West, to each of whom he dedicates a chapter: Rabindranath Tagore [14], the 1913 Nobel Prize in Literature, Therese Neumann, [15], Anandamayi Ma [16], Mohandas Gandhi [17], Jagadis Chandra Bose [18], and world-renowned American botanist Luther Burbank [19], to whom it is dedicated.
Tat Sat ( talk) 19:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
OK Here is my attempt at blending the one I wrote and the one TatSat wrote. What do you think TatSat?
Autobiography of a Yogi is an autobiography of Paramahansa Yogananda (January 5, 1893–March 7, 1952) first published in 1946. Yogananda was born Mukunda Lal Ghosh in Gorakhpur, India, into a Bengali well to do family of the Kshatriya caste.
The Autobiography of a Yogi takes the reader on a journey into the spiritual adventures of Paramahansa Yogananda and includes a broad description of Yogananda´s encounters with leading spiritual figures of East and West,. The book begins by describing Yogananda's childhood family life to his search for his guru to the establishment of his first school, Yogoda Satsanga Brahmacharya Vidyalaya [20] to his journey to America where he lectured to thousands, [21] established Self-Realization Fellowship [22] and visited with Luther Burbank, [23] a renowned botanist to whom this book is dedicated. The book then takes you on Yogananda's return visit to India in 1935 where he encountered leading spiritual figures such as Therese Neumann [24] in Bavaria, the Hindu saint Ananda Moyi Ma, [25] Mahatma Gandhi, [26] Rabindranath Tagore, [27] Nobel Prize-winning physicist Sir C. V. Raman, [28], Giri Bala, "the woman yogi who never eats." [29] and Jagadis Chandra Bose [30] The reader then returns to the West with Yogananda where he continues to establish his teachings in America including writing this book.
The author claims that the writing of the book was prophesied long ago by the nineteenth-century master Lahiri Mahasaya: “About fifty years after my passing, an account of my life will be written because of a deep interest in yoga that will arise in the West. The message of yoga will encircle the globe.” [31].” In 1945, exactly fifty years after Lahiri Mahasaya’s passing, Yogananda finished writing his Autobiography of a Yogi.
Red Rose, the article should start with a summary like the one I wrote. In another section we can keep your information. Have you tried to read the best rated book pages of Wikipedia? I have been doing this a lot. The article as it is is not good. I suggest we start with my text because it is concise and succinct. Then we keep your text, if you want — without blending it. What do you think? My interest is on the book. Not SRF or Ananda although both are publishers and have equal weight as sources of information. Tat Sat ( talk) 00:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
PS Red Rose, I wrote Yogananda came from a wealthy family because it is written in Chapter 1 "A daily gesture of respect to Father was given by Mother´s dressing us carefully in the afternoons to welcome him home from the office. His position was similar to that of a vice-president, in the Bengal-Nagpur Railway, one of India´s large companies ... Yogananda also said his father gave him money for his trip to America and that all the family had cars. If you read the Chapter 2 you will see they had two houses at a time and the preparations for his brother´s wedding were truly elaborate, ... the English, Scottish and Indian orchestras...
As for your saying you don´t have anything to do with the request for deletion, you are the one who keeps saying perhaps the book is not in public domain, perhaps the cover is not in public domain, etc. You seem to know more about SRF than about the book, so please forgive me but I cannot believe you have any doubts about the book being in public domain and it includes the cover and the content: text, photographs and illustrations. I do not appreciate this. I never made a false statement. Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 00:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
When I googled the best rated book pages of Wikipedia and looked at a few, I think this is good, but I am open to input from Yworo and Sitush for clarification. Not sure what we will cover in the Overview - that would be good to know.
Autobiography of a Yogi is an autobiography of Paramahansa Yogananda (January 5, 1893–March 7, 1952) first published in 1946. Yogananda was born Mukunda Lal Ghosh in Gorakhpur, India, into a Bengali well-to-do family of the Kshatriya caste.
The Autobiography of a Yogi takes the reader on a journey into the spiritual adventures of Paramahansa Yogananda and includes a broad description of Yogananda´s encounters with leading spiritual figures of East and West,. The book begins by describing Yogananda's childhood family life to his search for his guru to the establishment of his first school, Yogoda Satsanga Brahmacharya Vidyalaya [32] to his journey to America where he lectured to thousands, [33] established Self-Realization Fellowship [34] and visited with Luther Burbank, [35] a renowned botanist to whom this book is dedicated. The book then takes you on Yogananda's return visit to India in 1935 where he encountered leading spiritual figures such as Therese Neumann [36] in Bavaria, the Hindu saint Ananda Moyi Ma, [37] Mahatma Gandhi, [38] Rabindranath Tagore, [39] Nobel Prize-winning physicist Sir C. V. Raman, [40], Giri Bala, "the woman yogi who never eats." [41] and Jagadis Chandra Bose [42] The reader then returns to the West with Yogananda where he continues to establish his teachings in America including writing this book.
Red Rose 13 ( talk) 02:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Sitush ( talk) 04:02, 9 October 2012 (UTC)The book has been reprinted on numerous occasions, by various publishers and sometimes with amendments.
The Autobiography of a Yogi introduces the reader to the life of Paramahansa Yogananda beginning with his childhood family life to finding his guru and establishing his teachings of Kriya Yoga meditation. There are chapters on The Law of Miracles and the lives and missions of spiritual luminaries. The Autobiography is an introduction to the methods of attaining God-realization which includes miraculous encounters with spiritual figures of both East and West.
Autobiography of a Yogi has been in print for 66 years. In the United States alone, there have been fourteen editions including many reprints of those editions as necessary. The first edition is in public domain according to Project Gutenberg and at least five publishers are reprinting it. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 04:21, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Autobiography of a Yogi is an autobiography of Paramahansa Yogananda (January 5, 1893–March 7, 1952) first published in 1946. Yogananda was born Mukunda Lal Ghosh in Gorakhpur, India, into a Bengali family.
The Autobiography of a Yogi is a captivating introduction to the spiritual thought of the East, which had only been available to a few in 1946. Rarely does a spiritual person of such stature write accounts of his life experiences. The account begins with Yogananda’s extraordinary childhood, his adventurous search for his guru and the establishment of his first school. Yogananda journeys to America to speak in a religious congress in Boston, travels across America giving lectures and ends up establishing his teachings here. He then returns to India which includes encounters with the miraculous lives and missions of many spiritual luminaries. Returning to America he continues establishing his teachings, including writing this book. The book is full of fascinating stories told in a gentle manner with humor and common sense.
The Autobiography has been in print for sixty-five years and translated into twenty-nine languages. In the United States alone, there have been fourteen editions including many reprints as necessary. According to Project Gutenberg, the first edition is in public domain and at least five publishers are reprinting it and four posted it free online.
The author claims that the writing of the book was prophesied long ago by the nineteenth-century master Lahiri Mahasaya.
The Autobiography of a Yogi introduces the reader to the life of Paramahansa Yogananda and his encounters with spiritual figures of both East and West. The books begins with his childhood family life to finding his guru to becoming a monk and establishing his teachings of Kriya Yoga meditation. Throughout his life in India, the author claims encounters with the miraculous lives and missions of many spiritual luminaries. The book continues in 1920 when Yogananda accepts an invitation to speak in a religious congress in Boston, Massachusetts, USA. He then travels across America lecturing and establishing his teachings in Los Angeles, California. In 1935 he returns to India for a year long visit. When he returns to America, he continues to establish his teachings, including writing this book.
The Autobiography of a Yogi is an introduction to the methods of attaining God-realization and to the spiritual thought of the East, which had only been available to a few in 1946. The author claims that the writing of the book was prophesied long ago by the nineteenth-century master Lahiri Mahasaya.
The Autobiography has been in print for sixty-five years and translated into thirty languages. It has been highly acclaimed as a spiritual classic including being designated as one of the "100 Most Important Spiritual Books of the 20th Century." [43] According to Project Gutenberg, the first edition is in public domain and at least five publishers are reprinting it and four post it free for online reading. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 14:46, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
References
Another editor added Dennis Weaver and Gary Wright to the SRF Lake Shrine page without any citations. So I searched and found a number of citations for Dennis Weaver and expanded what the editor wrote and added the citations. In the process I discovered two more Autobiogaphy Reception additions, so I added them to the Autobiography page as well. Gary Wright I couldn't find anything so I left a citation needed for him. Thought it was good to explain the additions to this page. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 02:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Removed the word caste per our discussion, moved one quote to overview section for now, deleted POV quote, moved third quote to Reception all per our discussion Red Rose 13 ( talk) 14:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Added the lead section from the discussion above since there were no objections. Trimmed and moved Dudley quote to reception section. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 03:57, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
In part this article reads like an advertisement. I'm thinking especially of the list of people quoted in the Reception section. MurraySuid ( talk) 21:14, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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Let's discuss change as we make them. Here are the reasons why I made the 11/10-18 edits:
Let's discuss further changes as we make them, please. ॐ Priyanath 20:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I think you have done a fabulous job. Thanks. I also think chapters "Critical View of Changes" and The Spelling of Paramahansa" are not necessary, they are not important for his biography and some different subject to me. In any case a small reference would be more than enough, but both together are nearly 700 words in an article of 4,000 words, this is too much, and in my opinion irrelevant and superfluous, sorry, I have to say what I think, and I hope it is seen as a constructive remark. I would use that space for other more important facts about Yogananda's life or teachings.-- Pedrero ( talk) 23:32, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
When was the autobiography first published? Evangeline ( talk) 20:13, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 18:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The article talks about SRF altering Yogananda's signature. The source it links to doesn't provide any information related to the signature alteration. Also, it's not a credible source. Please provide a credible source that shows that Yogananda always used to sign without an "a." It's possible that he signed both with an "a" and without an "a." The discussion that follows after the certain paragraph outlines the difference between "paramahansa" and "paramhansa" from a npov. 207.112.100.8 ( talk) 03:09, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
i reverted the article subject to sectarian vandalism. The article in the Portuguese Wikipedia has also been reverted. The controversy existis and cannot be erased. Besides, there are many publications of the book in print so it is not proper to illustrate the article with the commercial Self-Realuzation Fellowship' s publication cover, as if it is the one and only. The signature of Paramahansa Yogananda has been altered -- forged is the technical term - after the death of Yogananda. To check this please visit any of the 1946 editions free for download, which contain reproductions of all the pages -- his signature, pictures and illustrations. Thank you. I suggest a discussion before editing the page to look for a consensus. Tat Sat ( talk) 09:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
= There are a few broken links that should be updated. Thank you Tat Sat ( talk) 09:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
PS As for the Portuguese page it is protected at this moment, due to sectarian dozens of small editions which affected it's imparciality, supressing the controversy and the law suites. improvement in the article is always welcome. The vandalism was reverted. Please, don't forget to sign. Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 12:12, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Please discuss differences of opinion here rather than engage in back-and-forth on the article itself. Try to provide some evidence to support your assertions and give people a few days, rather than minutes or hours, to respond. As for the Portuguese article, well, that is a matter for that version of Wikipedia and is not particularly relevant here. Which is fortunate for me because my abilities with the Portuguese language are little better than my abilities with Gibberish! - Sitush ( talk) 14:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
The Portuguese page was protected from Red Rose editions -- not mine -- and you can verify this information even if you don´t speak Portuguese. I think it is necessary to discuss point by point. Let´s start with the use of the cover of one of the many publications (you chose SRF´s commercial cover in detriment of all the others) to illustrate the page. I suggest that if you want to use a picture of the book cover, it should be the 1946 original cover. I have it and can upload it. After arriving at a consensus about which cover should illustrate the article, we can move to other problems, in order to avoid sectarian editions of this article. Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 15:34, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
I do think that the first edition cover would be A Good Thing (and I did remove a lot of crap sourced to SRF) but are we ok on copyright grounds? It needs to be public domain both in the US and in the country of publication, or else we need to provide a fair use rationale. I am assuming that the current image is ok due to Magog's intervention. - Sitush ( talk) 15:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello - in regards to using the cover that is there - I thought it was appropriate to use the current cover of the book, with an attempt at keeping Wikipedia up-to-date. It would be a good idea however to put the historical 1946 cover image below the current cover, where the picture of Yogananda is now. It would be of interest to readers and it would also be next to the section with links to free online 1946 versions. What do you think? Red Rose 13 ( talk) 16:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
PS Why Red Rose makes hundreds of small editions? Not to be detected by the robot? I wonder... Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 17:36, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
You seem to be aware of the details of the original cover, so perhaps you can answer the questions that I have now asked twice, in different forms. Given what you have said, could you perhaps take a look at the frontispiece if you have it available? We often use those when covers are bland. - Sitush ( talk) 20:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Answer to Sitush
As for Red Rose, I can´t believe he has the courage to say that "Self-Realization Fellowship is completely non-profit organization so this has absolutely nothing to do with commercialism or money at all". Of course they make a lot of money with commercial activities. Or did people from SRF learn some yogic power to materialize money out of thin air? Also, does the similarity between the original cover and Ananda´s cover make the original cover unnacceptable? But Red Rose insists in using SRF´s cover to illustrate the article, of all the covers that exist. It is sectarism. - Thank you, Tat Sat ( talk) 20:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I am not reading a court document - I am not qualified to do so. Since copyrights cannot be renewed & first publication was USA, 1946,, the latter is the bit that matters. Is the cover as Red Rose describes? Does it even have the title on it? - Sitush ( talk) 21:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
While we were discussing to try to reach a cosensus Red Rose vandalised the article again. He supressed even the differences between editions, that I had reverted. Besides Red Rose thinks that the SRF' s book with the text adulterated many years after the author's death is the "complete" edition. If the page is not reverted and we start editing from there looking for a consensus, I will request WP:DRN. Certainly there are editors who have experience in editing articles about books. I repeat: the article is about a book publushed in 1946 WITH a cover and we cannot put the book's cover because Red Rose does not like it. Tat Sat ( talk) 03:13, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
WikiProject Books guidelines are quite clear about the infobox. The infobox should describe the first edition of the book. Furthermore, it is stated that: "If using an image of the book cover art, try to select the cover of the book's first edition. If using an image of the author, try to select a photo dated around the time of the book's publication." These guidelines should be followed here, and I've corrected the image, the publisher (cited to the US Library of Congress), and removed the ISBN (the first edition did not have one).
These choices are the standards observed throughout Wikipedia with respect to articles about books. They should be implemented without question. Those wishing to follow these standards should not have to go to meditation to get them adhered to. Rather, those who want to vary from the standard have to make a case for such variance and get consensus from all the editors of the page. This has not been done, and the standards should therefore be followed. Yworo ( talk) 00:28, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I think the Rider editions are all reprints of their 1950 edition. Anybody know for sure? Yworo ( talk) 01:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
The quotes I hid refer to one of the many versions of the book published and heavily edited by SRF - after the death of its author. Ethics in Publication forbids unmistakably any change in a book after the author´s death - unless he has left written evidence of his intentions. This is done to protect the work. Since SRF forged the signature of the author many years after his death and has not provided any proof that confirms the author wished to change the text, the book as is published by SRF is a VERSION. There are many opinions of the book that do not advertise SRF as if it was the "official" publisher of the book. This is an article about a book, not a means of advertising a specific publisher. Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 12:54, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
As I told you, Red Rose, claims such as you tried to insert into the article must be cited to third-party sources. You made claims that were completely unsupported by any sources at all. You can't do that. You are making assumptions from primary data (the copyright pages of the books), which is original research. I've removed such claims. Please don't add them again. Yworo ( talk) 17:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Red Rose, this page is not about the SRF´s version of the book. Funny how you are worried about the spelling of the Anandamayi Ma´s name and corrected it because you said something like "that was not how Yogananda spelt it". And yet, you think the forgery of Yogananda´s signature is immaterial. A case of two weights and two measures? You "adapted" some text I wrote at Yworo´s draft page of the article. And I spelt it Anandamayi Ma - and not "Ananda Moi Ma" as you have "corrected" for a reason: I checked and saw it should refer to the Wikipedia´s article about the same person - which is spelt like I wrote. Going a little bit further, as Yworo wrote, "Tibetan and Chinese mispronunciations of Sanskrit mantras actually work for the Tibetans and the Chinese, but if you have a mission to "correct" them, you've got your life's work ahead of you, I guess." The mantra Om mani padme hum ओं मणिपद्मे हूं, (in tibetan ཨོཾ་མ་ཎི་པ་དྨེ་ཧཱུྃ )- especially revered in Tibet, is pronounced by the Tibetans quite differently: om mani peh meh hum. In Mongolia they chant "Om mani pay me hum". I saw thousands of Tibetan Lamas and Tulkus and Lopöns reciting it in unison in the Himalayas - Himagiri, Hemagiri: "Giriraj Sringe Mahadev Sange" - . And it seems to work for them. As for you, as long as you deny you having any connections to SRF, the "page of Autobiography of a Yogi" cannot improve. It´s nice to have a modest and unpretencious nature. I´m speaking generally, of course. And you keep preventing me from making it neutral, although you keep making literally hundreds of small editions to make it difficult to to separate the wheat from the chaff. It seems this page belongs to you for advertising Self-Realization Fellowship heavily edited version of the book, done after the author´s death. Deliberately a provocation agains the neutral point of view of Wikipedia, as it gives the false impression Wikipedia supports SRF´s version. Tat Sat ( talk) 23:31, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia´s decision to remove the copyrighted image of SRF´s cover of its version of the book has been disregarded. Red Rose uploaded the same image erased with another name. I removed it again. It was not my decision. By the way, Red Rose asked to have the image of Yogananda´s signature which is in public domain erased saying he was not sure the image was copyrighted - a doubt removed the image which is in a public domain book (all its content). The article as it is, is not neutral. I will be posting the changes made in the book after the author´s death, including its signature. Hope we can come to a consensus. I am not intending to remove SRF´s point of view, though, just add another point of view. Tat Sat ( talk) 12:37, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia Commons removed the image of the current cover. Yworo said to upload it through Wikipedia itself, which I did yesterday. Please stop removing things unless you have discussed it here. If you are going to accuse me of things, show proof. I did not have anything to do with the removal of the signature. Yworo our expert Wikipedia editor said regarding your wanting to post abut the changes on this page -
"The most we are really going to be able to include would be something like the following:
Anything you add about this beyond what Yworo said that we are allowed to do on Wikipedia, I will be reverting. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 14:07, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Guillaume, the curent image in the infobox is not a copyrighted image. The book and its contents, including the cover, illustrations and photographs is in public domain. Red Rose will not allow the article to become neutral. We went through mediation and it took us months to insert the correct picture of the cover you just removed. Who told you the image is copyrighted? But the image you say is correct was deleted by Wikipedia because it is copyrighted. Could you please put the cover of the book back? Besides Red Rose will not allow a neutral point of view. The page as it is advertises the version of the book published by Self-Realization Fellowship. I will tag the page as not neutral. If I keep being unable to edit the page with facts and the book history, we will have to ask mediation again. Mediation was just closed. Is that what Red Rose wants? Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 15:35, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
What I inserted and you removed is absolutely correct and neutral. It also has SRF´s point of view. We are dealing with facts. SRF did change the text immensely after the author´s death. And the author´s signature. I hope you agree with a neutral point of view. Just read what Wikipedia says in the help section. As it is the article is not neutral and you are aware of this. Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 16:37, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I have (deliberately) not looked at this article for a while. I've just now read the lead section and, well, it seems dreadful to me. What on earth are all those hagiographic quotations doing in there? Where is the attempt to be neutral and not to give undue weight to any particular person's opinion etc? - Sitush ( talk) 18:08, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
'The kind of detail about changes to the text listed in the table is simply not appropriate for an encyclopedia article. The most we are really going to be able to include would be something like the following - Ananda Sangha has detailed editorial changes in the text made by the Self-Realization Fellowship starting with the 1956 7th edition, (cite) including a change made to Yogananda's signature in 1958, inserting an "a" to change "Paramhansa" to Paramahansa". (cite) SRF responded to these observations in a letter dated such-and-such, stating that all changes were done based on the wishes of Yogananda himself.(cite) This statement along with one more sentence addressing the signature with a (cite) would be a neutral way to express the disagreement. Then the reader can follow the links and decide for themselves. The page should be about the book not the so called controversy by one party. Also in regards to the reprints, it is actually a list of editions, if we listed the reprints, we would be overwhelmed with the number. Yworo actually researched and found most of the editions and placed them there. He mentioned that it is significant to have a list of the editions because, it is very unusual, indicating a very popular book even after 66 years. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 18:56, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
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I'm not interested in rehashing discussions about who printed what when etc. Well, not now at any rate. If you cannot concentrate and use a talk page as it is intended to be used then I'll be sorely tempted to find an admin who is willing to block for disruption. - Sitush ( talk) 19:16, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I added the first sentence and then here is what is in the overview section right now that when I reread it, is actually a good summary in my view.
Autobiography of a Yogi is an autobiography of Paramahansa Yogananda (January 5, 1893–March 7, 1952) first published in 1946. Yogananda was born Mukunda Lal Ghosh in Gorakhpur, India, into a Bengali family of the Kshatriya caste.
The Autobiography of a Yogi takes the reader on a journey into the spiritual adventures of Paramahansa Yogananda. The book begins by describing Yogananda's childhood family life to his search for his guru to the establishment of his first school, Yogoda Satsanga Brahmacharya Vidyalaya [1] to his journey to America where he lectured to thousands, [2] established Self-Realization Fellowship [3] and visited with Luther Burbank, [4] a renowned botanist to whom this book is dedicated. The book then takes you on Yogananda's return visit to India in 1935 where he encountered leading spiritual figures such as Therese Neumann [5] in Bavaria, the Hindu saint Ananda Moyi Ma, [6] Mahatma Gandhi, [7] Rabindranath Tagore, [8] Nobel Prize-winning physicist Sir C. V. Raman, [9] and Giri Bala, "the woman yogi who never eats." [10] The reader then returns to the West with Yogananda where he continues to establish his teachings in America including writing this book.
What do you think? Red Rose 13 ( talk) 20:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Autobiography of a Yogi(1946) is a memoir written by Paramahansa Yogananda (January 5, 1893–March 7, 1952), first published in 1946. Yogananda was born Mukunda Lal Ghosh in Gorakhpur, India, into a welthy [11] Bengali family.
The book describes Yogananda's life from his birth through his search for a guru to his life in America. The author claims that the writing of the book was prophesied long ago by the nineteenth-century master Lahiri Mahasaya: “About fifty years after my passing, an account of my life will be written because of a deep interest in yoga that will arise in the West. The message of yoga will encircle the globe.” [12].” In 1945, exactly fifty years after Lahiri Mahasaya’s passing, Yogananda finished writing his Autobiography of a Yogi.
The preface was written by Oxford scholar of anthropology and pioneer in the study of Tibetan Buddhism, Walter Evans-Wentz.
Overview
Yogananda´s autobiography is “an eyewitness recountal of the extraordinary lives and powers of modern Hindu saints.” [13] It provides a broad description of Yogananda´s encounters with leading spiritual figures of East and West, to each of whom he dedicates a chapter: Rabindranath Tagore [14], the 1913 Nobel Prize in Literature, Therese Neumann, [15], Anandamayi Ma [16], Mohandas Gandhi [17], Jagadis Chandra Bose [18], and world-renowned American botanist Luther Burbank [19], to whom it is dedicated.
Tat Sat ( talk) 19:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
OK Here is my attempt at blending the one I wrote and the one TatSat wrote. What do you think TatSat?
Autobiography of a Yogi is an autobiography of Paramahansa Yogananda (January 5, 1893–March 7, 1952) first published in 1946. Yogananda was born Mukunda Lal Ghosh in Gorakhpur, India, into a Bengali well to do family of the Kshatriya caste.
The Autobiography of a Yogi takes the reader on a journey into the spiritual adventures of Paramahansa Yogananda and includes a broad description of Yogananda´s encounters with leading spiritual figures of East and West,. The book begins by describing Yogananda's childhood family life to his search for his guru to the establishment of his first school, Yogoda Satsanga Brahmacharya Vidyalaya [20] to his journey to America where he lectured to thousands, [21] established Self-Realization Fellowship [22] and visited with Luther Burbank, [23] a renowned botanist to whom this book is dedicated. The book then takes you on Yogananda's return visit to India in 1935 where he encountered leading spiritual figures such as Therese Neumann [24] in Bavaria, the Hindu saint Ananda Moyi Ma, [25] Mahatma Gandhi, [26] Rabindranath Tagore, [27] Nobel Prize-winning physicist Sir C. V. Raman, [28], Giri Bala, "the woman yogi who never eats." [29] and Jagadis Chandra Bose [30] The reader then returns to the West with Yogananda where he continues to establish his teachings in America including writing this book.
The author claims that the writing of the book was prophesied long ago by the nineteenth-century master Lahiri Mahasaya: “About fifty years after my passing, an account of my life will be written because of a deep interest in yoga that will arise in the West. The message of yoga will encircle the globe.” [31].” In 1945, exactly fifty years after Lahiri Mahasaya’s passing, Yogananda finished writing his Autobiography of a Yogi.
Red Rose, the article should start with a summary like the one I wrote. In another section we can keep your information. Have you tried to read the best rated book pages of Wikipedia? I have been doing this a lot. The article as it is is not good. I suggest we start with my text because it is concise and succinct. Then we keep your text, if you want — without blending it. What do you think? My interest is on the book. Not SRF or Ananda although both are publishers and have equal weight as sources of information. Tat Sat ( talk) 00:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
PS Red Rose, I wrote Yogananda came from a wealthy family because it is written in Chapter 1 "A daily gesture of respect to Father was given by Mother´s dressing us carefully in the afternoons to welcome him home from the office. His position was similar to that of a vice-president, in the Bengal-Nagpur Railway, one of India´s large companies ... Yogananda also said his father gave him money for his trip to America and that all the family had cars. If you read the Chapter 2 you will see they had two houses at a time and the preparations for his brother´s wedding were truly elaborate, ... the English, Scottish and Indian orchestras...
As for your saying you don´t have anything to do with the request for deletion, you are the one who keeps saying perhaps the book is not in public domain, perhaps the cover is not in public domain, etc. You seem to know more about SRF than about the book, so please forgive me but I cannot believe you have any doubts about the book being in public domain and it includes the cover and the content: text, photographs and illustrations. I do not appreciate this. I never made a false statement. Thank you. Tat Sat ( talk) 00:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
When I googled the best rated book pages of Wikipedia and looked at a few, I think this is good, but I am open to input from Yworo and Sitush for clarification. Not sure what we will cover in the Overview - that would be good to know.
Autobiography of a Yogi is an autobiography of Paramahansa Yogananda (January 5, 1893–March 7, 1952) first published in 1946. Yogananda was born Mukunda Lal Ghosh in Gorakhpur, India, into a Bengali well-to-do family of the Kshatriya caste.
The Autobiography of a Yogi takes the reader on a journey into the spiritual adventures of Paramahansa Yogananda and includes a broad description of Yogananda´s encounters with leading spiritual figures of East and West,. The book begins by describing Yogananda's childhood family life to his search for his guru to the establishment of his first school, Yogoda Satsanga Brahmacharya Vidyalaya [32] to his journey to America where he lectured to thousands, [33] established Self-Realization Fellowship [34] and visited with Luther Burbank, [35] a renowned botanist to whom this book is dedicated. The book then takes you on Yogananda's return visit to India in 1935 where he encountered leading spiritual figures such as Therese Neumann [36] in Bavaria, the Hindu saint Ananda Moyi Ma, [37] Mahatma Gandhi, [38] Rabindranath Tagore, [39] Nobel Prize-winning physicist Sir C. V. Raman, [40], Giri Bala, "the woman yogi who never eats." [41] and Jagadis Chandra Bose [42] The reader then returns to the West with Yogananda where he continues to establish his teachings in America including writing this book.
Red Rose 13 ( talk) 02:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Sitush ( talk) 04:02, 9 October 2012 (UTC)The book has been reprinted on numerous occasions, by various publishers and sometimes with amendments.
The Autobiography of a Yogi introduces the reader to the life of Paramahansa Yogananda beginning with his childhood family life to finding his guru and establishing his teachings of Kriya Yoga meditation. There are chapters on The Law of Miracles and the lives and missions of spiritual luminaries. The Autobiography is an introduction to the methods of attaining God-realization which includes miraculous encounters with spiritual figures of both East and West.
Autobiography of a Yogi has been in print for 66 years. In the United States alone, there have been fourteen editions including many reprints of those editions as necessary. The first edition is in public domain according to Project Gutenberg and at least five publishers are reprinting it. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 04:21, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Autobiography of a Yogi is an autobiography of Paramahansa Yogananda (January 5, 1893–March 7, 1952) first published in 1946. Yogananda was born Mukunda Lal Ghosh in Gorakhpur, India, into a Bengali family.
The Autobiography of a Yogi is a captivating introduction to the spiritual thought of the East, which had only been available to a few in 1946. Rarely does a spiritual person of such stature write accounts of his life experiences. The account begins with Yogananda’s extraordinary childhood, his adventurous search for his guru and the establishment of his first school. Yogananda journeys to America to speak in a religious congress in Boston, travels across America giving lectures and ends up establishing his teachings here. He then returns to India which includes encounters with the miraculous lives and missions of many spiritual luminaries. Returning to America he continues establishing his teachings, including writing this book. The book is full of fascinating stories told in a gentle manner with humor and common sense.
The Autobiography has been in print for sixty-five years and translated into twenty-nine languages. In the United States alone, there have been fourteen editions including many reprints as necessary. According to Project Gutenberg, the first edition is in public domain and at least five publishers are reprinting it and four posted it free online.
The author claims that the writing of the book was prophesied long ago by the nineteenth-century master Lahiri Mahasaya.
The Autobiography of a Yogi introduces the reader to the life of Paramahansa Yogananda and his encounters with spiritual figures of both East and West. The books begins with his childhood family life to finding his guru to becoming a monk and establishing his teachings of Kriya Yoga meditation. Throughout his life in India, the author claims encounters with the miraculous lives and missions of many spiritual luminaries. The book continues in 1920 when Yogananda accepts an invitation to speak in a religious congress in Boston, Massachusetts, USA. He then travels across America lecturing and establishing his teachings in Los Angeles, California. In 1935 he returns to India for a year long visit. When he returns to America, he continues to establish his teachings, including writing this book.
The Autobiography of a Yogi is an introduction to the methods of attaining God-realization and to the spiritual thought of the East, which had only been available to a few in 1946. The author claims that the writing of the book was prophesied long ago by the nineteenth-century master Lahiri Mahasaya.
The Autobiography has been in print for sixty-five years and translated into thirty languages. It has been highly acclaimed as a spiritual classic including being designated as one of the "100 Most Important Spiritual Books of the 20th Century." [43] According to Project Gutenberg, the first edition is in public domain and at least five publishers are reprinting it and four post it free for online reading. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 14:46, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
References
Another editor added Dennis Weaver and Gary Wright to the SRF Lake Shrine page without any citations. So I searched and found a number of citations for Dennis Weaver and expanded what the editor wrote and added the citations. In the process I discovered two more Autobiogaphy Reception additions, so I added them to the Autobiography page as well. Gary Wright I couldn't find anything so I left a citation needed for him. Thought it was good to explain the additions to this page. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 02:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Removed the word caste per our discussion, moved one quote to overview section for now, deleted POV quote, moved third quote to Reception all per our discussion Red Rose 13 ( talk) 14:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Added the lead section from the discussion above since there were no objections. Trimmed and moved Dudley quote to reception section. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 03:57, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
In part this article reads like an advertisement. I'm thinking especially of the list of people quoted in the Reception section. MurraySuid ( talk) 21:14, 26 November 2014 (UTC)