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King of Australia | |
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Charles III since 8 September 2022 | |
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Governor-General, David Hurley | |
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Heir apparent | William, Prince of Wales |
An editor has attempted twice to include the governor-general (David Hurley) into the infobox of this page, with King Charles III. I disagree with inclusion, as this page is about the Australian monarchy. We have a separate page on the Governor-General of Australia & that's where the governor-general's image/etc belongs. We don't include the GG in the infobox at the Canadian monarchy, Jamaican monarchy etc pages. So we shouldn't here. GoodDay ( talk) 00:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
We don't link to the government pages in the leads of Monarchy of the United Kingdom, Monarchy of Canada, Monarchy of Belize & the other Commonwealth realms monarchy pages. So, best we be consistent & not link (in the lead) to the Australian government page. GoodDay ( talk) 03:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Although Charles III is Australia's head of state, he is *not* King by the grace of God, or by virtue of an Anglican coronation ceremony.
This ceremony only relates to his title of King of the United Kingdom. Nor is he King of Australia *because* he is King of the United Kingdom. These two titles are quite separate. Nor does Charles have any religious role by virtue of being King of Australia - there is no established church in Australia. That is why there was no coronation ceremony in Australia.
Charles is King of Australia solely by virtue of the Australian Constitution, which was ratified by the Australian people at referendums between 1898 and 1900, and which can be changed only by the Australian people at a constitutional referendum.
At the 1999 referendum, the Australian people voted to retain the constitutional monarchy, which is why Charles was proclaimed King of Australia on the death of the late Queen. He and his successors will retain that title unless and until the Australian people decide otherwise at a referendum.
So, the notion written above that if the UK abruptly and without warning became a republic next week, as it could and can do with no written constitution, the new British President would be Australia's head of state is wrong as the House of Windsor would remain the monarchs of our separate Australian monarchy until and if a referendum was called and passed according to the requirements of s. 128.
That is why every member of Parliament (even you, Senator Lidia Thorpe) takes an oath of allegiance to the King, and why the Prime Minister (despite being a lifelong republican) took that oath at the Coronation. This oath is of course conditional, because it is oath of allegiance to the King and his heirs and successors *according to law *and, in Australia, that means according to the Constitution.
If the Australian people vote to change the Constitution, they and he will be released from that oath. 180.150.38.126 ( talk) 09:01, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
"In 1939, the Australian Crown emerged as an independent entity from that of the British Crown due to the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1942". Can something "emerge" with retrospective effect? Do reliable sources give 3 September 1939 as the date when a separate Australian monarchy was created? If not we shouldn't be splitting George VI's reign into two separate lines. ITBF ( talk) 08:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move Wikipedia:Snowball clause. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Moxy🍁 14:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Monarchy of Australia → Monarch of Australia – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Also a better sounding and better fitting name. — GMH Melbourne ( talk) 06:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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King of Australia | |
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Incumbent | |
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Charles III since 8 September 2022 | |
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Governor-General, David Hurley | |
Details | |
Style | His Majesty |
Heir apparent | William, Prince of Wales |
An editor has attempted twice to include the governor-general (David Hurley) into the infobox of this page, with King Charles III. I disagree with inclusion, as this page is about the Australian monarchy. We have a separate page on the Governor-General of Australia & that's where the governor-general's image/etc belongs. We don't include the GG in the infobox at the Canadian monarchy, Jamaican monarchy etc pages. So we shouldn't here. GoodDay ( talk) 00:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
We don't link to the government pages in the leads of Monarchy of the United Kingdom, Monarchy of Canada, Monarchy of Belize & the other Commonwealth realms monarchy pages. So, best we be consistent & not link (in the lead) to the Australian government page. GoodDay ( talk) 03:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Although Charles III is Australia's head of state, he is *not* King by the grace of God, or by virtue of an Anglican coronation ceremony.
This ceremony only relates to his title of King of the United Kingdom. Nor is he King of Australia *because* he is King of the United Kingdom. These two titles are quite separate. Nor does Charles have any religious role by virtue of being King of Australia - there is no established church in Australia. That is why there was no coronation ceremony in Australia.
Charles is King of Australia solely by virtue of the Australian Constitution, which was ratified by the Australian people at referendums between 1898 and 1900, and which can be changed only by the Australian people at a constitutional referendum.
At the 1999 referendum, the Australian people voted to retain the constitutional monarchy, which is why Charles was proclaimed King of Australia on the death of the late Queen. He and his successors will retain that title unless and until the Australian people decide otherwise at a referendum.
So, the notion written above that if the UK abruptly and without warning became a republic next week, as it could and can do with no written constitution, the new British President would be Australia's head of state is wrong as the House of Windsor would remain the monarchs of our separate Australian monarchy until and if a referendum was called and passed according to the requirements of s. 128.
That is why every member of Parliament (even you, Senator Lidia Thorpe) takes an oath of allegiance to the King, and why the Prime Minister (despite being a lifelong republican) took that oath at the Coronation. This oath is of course conditional, because it is oath of allegiance to the King and his heirs and successors *according to law *and, in Australia, that means according to the Constitution.
If the Australian people vote to change the Constitution, they and he will be released from that oath. 180.150.38.126 ( talk) 09:01, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
"In 1939, the Australian Crown emerged as an independent entity from that of the British Crown due to the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1942". Can something "emerge" with retrospective effect? Do reliable sources give 3 September 1939 as the date when a separate Australian monarchy was created? If not we shouldn't be splitting George VI's reign into two separate lines. ITBF ( talk) 08:14, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move Wikipedia:Snowball clause. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Moxy🍁 14:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Monarchy of Australia → Monarch of Australia – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Also a better sounding and better fitting name. — GMH Melbourne ( talk) 06:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)