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I visit Australia to see my family who emigrated there many years ago. My grearest joy is to hear the Magpie`s song,both in town and on the farm would it be possible to have the sounds on the web page. Simon Francis
That would be great, Sam. The only call recordings I know of are copyright. A year or so ago I thought long and hard about buying recording gear and doing it myself, but I would up spending the time and money on photography instead. And yes, the song of the magpie is a wonderful thing indeed. Tannin 22:22, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)
You can hear a recording of an Australian magpie (albeit with some car-like background) at "northamptonshirewildlife.com,uk/sgallery". Phil Donnelly 203.206.234.14 20:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
As someone who has been attacked by those damn birds I find the contention that their noise is of exceptional beauty very POV. When I hear the noise I look for a very big stick. Avalon 06:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
"I'd guess most Australians have had that happen to them at least once" yeah, try once every fucken week. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.247.151 ( talk) 07:52, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
I think the poetry by Denis Glover is misquoted - correct text is "Quardle ardle oodle ardle wardle doodle". However, as is often the case with misquotations, I like the version on this website better! ROxBo 15:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
We have had a family of magpies living near our home for over 5 years. Does anyone know how long their life span is as we are very fond of them and the male is looking a little old now. Barbara
I know that they can live 7 years, there was one lived near my house that had a quite distinguishable droopy wing that still visited until I moved. Will look it up. I am a lemon 05:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
My uncle fed a female for 25 years before she simply disappeared a short while ago. During that time she had 2 partners. The Real Blockhead 08:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I saw a magpie with brown and white stripes on his side, perhaps 10-15 stripes in all. Could this have been an Australian hybrid? If so, he was a long way from home in Holland.
That sound file linked at the bottom of the page sounds nothing like the beautiful call of the magpie. Are there any better resources? rmccue 04:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Who invented the myth that magpies don't go for the eyes? In my experience, painting eyes on the back of my helmet hasn't done anything to deter them, instead causing them to go for that particular section of my helmet.
-oh man! i agree. i've had them come at me from directly in front.. staring straight at them. i'm definately siding that it's a myth. - stevie d
maybe the point is to give them a fake set of eye to swoop at, instead of your real eyes?
Anyone ever notice that one of the pair is usually a little more wary than the other? One will readily take food off your hand, and takes no notice when you walk close by, but the other is more reticent and scuttles away a few metres when you get close.
The article says "Last swooping season, five people died from their injuries...". I cannot find anything to back this up - are Magpies really killing Australians? Martin R 125.238.105.42 03:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Indirectly, but sadly, yes. The most dangerous aspect of the attack seems to be that it is so sudden (do you REALLY routinely expect to be attacked from above by a large and ferocious bird???). Victims become disoriented and stagger into the paths of vehicles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old wombat ( talk • contribs) 08:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
In my experience the cable-ties heighten the threat response from the bird, that is they make the birds swoop more often. Also the reference doesn't support the claim made about cable ties, the advice is to read about and report problem birds and walk your bike in trouble spots. 59.167.126.189 ( talk) 14:26, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Above comment "In my exp..." was me, signing in for notifications. Genericness ( talk) 14:36, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
A small minority are swoopers? It's got to be the world's biggest minority. I think that should be changed to "overwhelming minority". I think that would be more accurate. The sentence should be, "An overwhelming minority of magpies will attempt to peck out your eyes if the thought occurs to you that it might be a nice day to take the bike out instead of driving". There should also be a note that it is not safe for small children to walk home alone in Australia because they will actually just lose one of their ears to a magpie.
It seems that some photographers are determined to have "pride of place" for their own photos - even going so far as to remove the photo(s) that held that place before. I have just restored the photo in the lead paragraph which was removed by Happy Photographer, who replaced it with one of his/her own. I've moved Happy Photographer's photo futher down in the article, next to where it better illustrated the text.
While it may make sense to re-order photos to best illustrate different sections of the article, I find it very dismissive of the contributions of photographers to simply eliminate their work entirely. Especially as this swapping/eliminating of images always seems to happen in the "top spots" of the article. This may not have been the intention of Happy Photographer, but I would ask him/her, and others, to be more respectful of the existing images when choosing to add ones own to an article. KeresH 10:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
There are way too many pics - many don't provide anything new. I've just removed one, and I will probably remove more. -- Merbabu 09:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I think you'll find the 'magpie chasing a goshawk' pic is a fake. Note the different degree of focus on both birds in the picture, and the lighting that seems a little wrong. Another variation of the same fake circulating the web can be found here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.86.212 ( talk) 19:16, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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I've done some fairly extensive clean-up work on this article, mainly tying up grammatical loose ends, and making some sections clearer in meaning. One or two sentences here strike me as odd, though - "They may also eat their own digestive products". Reference or citation, please? Also, the section which states hand-feeding can discourage swooping seems to be a very shaky claim. It needs either a citation, or removal. Beruthiel ( talk) 00:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I have observed (through my telescoppe) both the male and female feeding their young. Perhaps the statement on feeding should be changed from "Nestlings are fed exclusively by the female" to "Nestlings are fed mainly by the female". I have also observed that after feeding the chicks present their rear end to the parent and pass a jelly like dropping which the parent consumes. The Real Blockhead ( talk) 08:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Someone ought to update the 'behaviour' section to include discussion of the fact that magpies are notorious for collecting useless objects such as shiny small artificial trinkets. In Australian popular culture, magpies are known for this. - Richard Cavell ( talk) 08:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Re - Manus Flutter and other dominant/submissive behavior - I've seen juveniles being picked on by their father, presumably to force them out of parental care, and to placate him, they flutter their tail up and down rather their wings. Flapping wings seems to me to be more about begging behaviours - I've seen juveniles do it to parents accompanied with begging calls when the parents have food, and also females to the male, and the female to humans with food, in the last two cases especially around breeding time from September onwards (QLD).
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The swooping section only really seems to cover humans and this stage and should probably also reflect on the the behavior towards potential predators etc. Noodle snacks ( talk) 07:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
The swooping sections mentions hats, beanies, helmets, flags and umbrellas... but does not comment on the recent (in my observation_ trend of using cable ties on bike helmets to deter magpies. I am not adding this in directly as I think it would constitute original research - ie, I don't know the REASON it works, though I could speculate... Does anyone know any more information for this, and perhaps a photo? -- .../Nemo ( talk) 04:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Jones seems to contradict Jones. In Jones (2003) he found no evidence of homing after birds were translocated, only 5 out of 141 relocated birds made it home (deposited at a variety of distances), but you cite Jones (2002) as saying that they can home back in. Sabine's Sunbird talk 01:09, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I've noted a number of vocalisations apart from just the 'wardle oodle warble' typical of the Magpie and the juvenile begging squawk.
GermanicusCaesar ( talk) 02:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
GermanicusCaesar ( talk) 06:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Not knowing much about Australia, I find the range descriptions almost impossible to understand. Can a subspecies range map be added? Snowman ( talk) 13:58, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Some comments on the article that I would fix if I had the knowledge or access to sources:
Circeus ( talk) 23:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I really enjoyed reading this. Here's some of the dreaded "personal research".
Back in spring 2006 a magpie was born in south Wollongong who is the most superb singer I have ever heard. He was one of 6 fledglings (but I cannot say if they all came from the same nest). One was run over by a 4WD. This bird is the Pavarotti of the Magpie world. While the other birds foraged, he sang and sang and sang. He commenced this activity while still a grey fluffy fledging, at a time when other birds are going squawk squawk and hoping a parent will jam something down their neck.
He soon realised that he had an appreciative audience in me, although I never fed him but only talked and whistled. When I walk along the street, he will appear on top of a pole, and treat me to little bursts of music, pole-hopping as I move along. One day he produced the ultimate.... a superb imitation of the prolonged high-pitch throat-throbbing of the local butcher bird..... and looked extraordinarily pleased with himself. He has married and now produced three young. I saw them all on the railing behind the local pub, with the missus trying to entice her fat fluffy babies to fly back to their tree. Dad, to her apparent frustration, was fully absorbed in giving them choir practice, coaching them with short phrases, repeated over and over.
The question here is, to what extent are magpies' (and similar birds) songs learnt? I had a long relationship with a pair of currawongs that lived in Camperdown Cemetery, Newtown and trusted me as an auntie to their young. They made all the usual cries, but didn't sing at all. They had no apparent contact with other currawongs, the nearest currawong that I knew of at the time was a soul male that lived in the inner city of Sydney and foraged in Hyde Park. Eventually a pair of magpies appeared in the cemetery. To my surprise, the currawongs accepted them and at last learnt to sing, a rather dumbed down version of the magpies' song. Amandajm ( talk) 08:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm so happy to see our wonderful birds on the front page! Amandajm ( talk) 09:39, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
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Several years ago I saw a flock of crow-sized birds but rather than being uniformly black, they were black and white. They in fact seem now to have resembled the Australian Magpie -- could the species reach California and if not, is there a native species (this was Sacramento area) that looks sort of like them?-- Jrm2007 ( talk) 07:39, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Like literally tens of thousands of students around me, in 1971 in my second-last year of High School in NSW we studied the Oz Magpie as a very detailed case study of the general topic of "Animal Behaviour". I can put in a couple of paragraphs from this. Is this a good idea? The document we worked from was a CSIRO one but I can not recall any further info about it. 121.216.53.29 ( talk) 08:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC) Whoops, forgot to login first Old_Wombat ( talk) 08:53, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
The very common and well-respected Simpson and Day give Gymnorhina as the genus, as does the Mangoverde World Bird Guide, as does the CSIRO. Whichever name is adopted, there needs to be consistency in the article. There are currently both 'C' and 'G' references. Old_Wombat ( talk) 09:09, 27 September 2011 (UTC) As does the image of the magpie on the Australian Museum page. Old_Wombat ( talk) 09:21, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello Casliber, good to talk to you again. Having read your last comment, and accepting it, and then re-reading the article, IMHO there is indeed sufficient space given to the assertion that "the magpie is now considered to be the same genus as the BBs but there is a dissenting opinion that it is a genus on its own". Having said that, the text needs to be put together. Right now, it is all over the place:
"A member of the Artamidae, it is closely related to the butcherbirds. " - right at the beginning of the lede.
"With its long legs, the Australian Magpie walks rather than waddles or hops and spends much time on the ground. This adaptation has led to some authorities maintaining it in its own genus Gymnorhina." - further down in the lede.
"The Australian Magpie had been placed in its own genus Gymnorhina, however several authorities, Storr in 1952 and later authors including Christidis and Boles in their 2008 official checklist, place it in the butcherbird genus Cracticus, giving rise to its current binomial name; they argue that its adaptation to ground-living is not enough to consider it as a separate genus.[13]"- in "Taxonomy", much much later.
Wot do you think? Old_Wombat ( talk) 08:12, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I do see what Old wombat is talking about, might me best to have both? Sample of Australian Magpie: Biology and Behaviour of an Unusual Songbird (CSIRO). Bidgee ( talk) 08:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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It would be great if we could include a couple of the names for these birds used by the aboriginal inhabitants of the continent, if anybody can locate some. — Hippietrail ( talk) 08:42, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, this is a new thing. Burklemore1 ( talk) 16:24, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
The year of publication of Latham's Supplementum indicis ornithologici sive systematis ornithologiae is disputed. The article currently has (Latham 1802). The title page of the book has 1801. The BHL mentions the possibility of two issues with some volumes dated 1801 and others 1802. The year is discussed by Alan Peterson on his Zoonomen site.
The IOC List, HBW Alive and the old Check-list of birds of the world all use 1801 for the year. I suggest changing the year in the article to 1801. Are other editors happy with this change? Aa77zz ( talk) 10:19, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I've reverted a set of well-intentioned additions to the article by a new editor. No source was given for most of the new material and, given that this is a featured article, I would expect significant changes to be discussed here first. Aa77zz ( talk) 22:04, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
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This relates to the Taxonomy section of the Article, where other names are mentioned: Given that the name Piping Shrike is sometimes used locally in South Australia for the White Backed Magpie, particularly because of the connection to the SA Flag, seal, and badge; could you consider adding piping shrike to the list of other names. This is supported by the following book references as well as a range of SA gov websites. It is also covered in the Piping Shrike wiki article. Higgins et al Colour Plate facing page 609. OTHER ENGLISH NAMES -----; Piping Crow-shrike, Roller or Shrike; -----. Australian Bird Names Origins and Meanings, Fraser and Gray - “Piping Shrike, as formally described on the South Australian flag and coat of arms” in the section on other names for Gymnorhina tibicen telonocua (the White Backed Magpie) Adastral ( talk) 23:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it'd be appropriate to merge the article Australian magpie in New Zealand with this one. They are both the same bird, which caused me confusion when reading this page. I thought that it included New Zealand, but it has its own seperate article for some reason. New Zealand can have its own section in this article. Panamitsu ( talk) 03:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Source 112 no longer works (it was a PDF). I'm not sure how to edit sources so I thought I would add this to this page. NickTheChicken11 ( talk) 11:15, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
I don't know who, but somebody slapped the "Dinosauria" clade on there. From what I understand, that's only reserved for dinosaur pages here, not modern animals, right? Booger-mike ( talk) 10:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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I visit Australia to see my family who emigrated there many years ago. My grearest joy is to hear the Magpie`s song,both in town and on the farm would it be possible to have the sounds on the web page. Simon Francis
That would be great, Sam. The only call recordings I know of are copyright. A year or so ago I thought long and hard about buying recording gear and doing it myself, but I would up spending the time and money on photography instead. And yes, the song of the magpie is a wonderful thing indeed. Tannin 22:22, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)
You can hear a recording of an Australian magpie (albeit with some car-like background) at "northamptonshirewildlife.com,uk/sgallery". Phil Donnelly 203.206.234.14 20:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
As someone who has been attacked by those damn birds I find the contention that their noise is of exceptional beauty very POV. When I hear the noise I look for a very big stick. Avalon 06:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
"I'd guess most Australians have had that happen to them at least once" yeah, try once every fucken week. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.247.151 ( talk) 07:52, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
I think the poetry by Denis Glover is misquoted - correct text is "Quardle ardle oodle ardle wardle doodle". However, as is often the case with misquotations, I like the version on this website better! ROxBo 15:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
We have had a family of magpies living near our home for over 5 years. Does anyone know how long their life span is as we are very fond of them and the male is looking a little old now. Barbara
I know that they can live 7 years, there was one lived near my house that had a quite distinguishable droopy wing that still visited until I moved. Will look it up. I am a lemon 05:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
My uncle fed a female for 25 years before she simply disappeared a short while ago. During that time she had 2 partners. The Real Blockhead 08:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I saw a magpie with brown and white stripes on his side, perhaps 10-15 stripes in all. Could this have been an Australian hybrid? If so, he was a long way from home in Holland.
That sound file linked at the bottom of the page sounds nothing like the beautiful call of the magpie. Are there any better resources? rmccue 04:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Who invented the myth that magpies don't go for the eyes? In my experience, painting eyes on the back of my helmet hasn't done anything to deter them, instead causing them to go for that particular section of my helmet.
-oh man! i agree. i've had them come at me from directly in front.. staring straight at them. i'm definately siding that it's a myth. - stevie d
maybe the point is to give them a fake set of eye to swoop at, instead of your real eyes?
Anyone ever notice that one of the pair is usually a little more wary than the other? One will readily take food off your hand, and takes no notice when you walk close by, but the other is more reticent and scuttles away a few metres when you get close.
The article says "Last swooping season, five people died from their injuries...". I cannot find anything to back this up - are Magpies really killing Australians? Martin R 125.238.105.42 03:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Indirectly, but sadly, yes. The most dangerous aspect of the attack seems to be that it is so sudden (do you REALLY routinely expect to be attacked from above by a large and ferocious bird???). Victims become disoriented and stagger into the paths of vehicles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old wombat ( talk • contribs) 08:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
In my experience the cable-ties heighten the threat response from the bird, that is they make the birds swoop more often. Also the reference doesn't support the claim made about cable ties, the advice is to read about and report problem birds and walk your bike in trouble spots. 59.167.126.189 ( talk) 14:26, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Above comment "In my exp..." was me, signing in for notifications. Genericness ( talk) 14:36, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
A small minority are swoopers? It's got to be the world's biggest minority. I think that should be changed to "overwhelming minority". I think that would be more accurate. The sentence should be, "An overwhelming minority of magpies will attempt to peck out your eyes if the thought occurs to you that it might be a nice day to take the bike out instead of driving". There should also be a note that it is not safe for small children to walk home alone in Australia because they will actually just lose one of their ears to a magpie.
It seems that some photographers are determined to have "pride of place" for their own photos - even going so far as to remove the photo(s) that held that place before. I have just restored the photo in the lead paragraph which was removed by Happy Photographer, who replaced it with one of his/her own. I've moved Happy Photographer's photo futher down in the article, next to where it better illustrated the text.
While it may make sense to re-order photos to best illustrate different sections of the article, I find it very dismissive of the contributions of photographers to simply eliminate their work entirely. Especially as this swapping/eliminating of images always seems to happen in the "top spots" of the article. This may not have been the intention of Happy Photographer, but I would ask him/her, and others, to be more respectful of the existing images when choosing to add ones own to an article. KeresH 10:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
There are way too many pics - many don't provide anything new. I've just removed one, and I will probably remove more. -- Merbabu 09:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I think you'll find the 'magpie chasing a goshawk' pic is a fake. Note the different degree of focus on both birds in the picture, and the lighting that seems a little wrong. Another variation of the same fake circulating the web can be found here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.86.212 ( talk) 19:16, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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I've done some fairly extensive clean-up work on this article, mainly tying up grammatical loose ends, and making some sections clearer in meaning. One or two sentences here strike me as odd, though - "They may also eat their own digestive products". Reference or citation, please? Also, the section which states hand-feeding can discourage swooping seems to be a very shaky claim. It needs either a citation, or removal. Beruthiel ( talk) 00:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I have observed (through my telescoppe) both the male and female feeding their young. Perhaps the statement on feeding should be changed from "Nestlings are fed exclusively by the female" to "Nestlings are fed mainly by the female". I have also observed that after feeding the chicks present their rear end to the parent and pass a jelly like dropping which the parent consumes. The Real Blockhead ( talk) 08:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Someone ought to update the 'behaviour' section to include discussion of the fact that magpies are notorious for collecting useless objects such as shiny small artificial trinkets. In Australian popular culture, magpies are known for this. - Richard Cavell ( talk) 08:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Re - Manus Flutter and other dominant/submissive behavior - I've seen juveniles being picked on by their father, presumably to force them out of parental care, and to placate him, they flutter their tail up and down rather their wings. Flapping wings seems to me to be more about begging behaviours - I've seen juveniles do it to parents accompanied with begging calls when the parents have food, and also females to the male, and the female to humans with food, in the last two cases especially around breeding time from September onwards (QLD).
GermanicusCaesar (
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The swooping section only really seems to cover humans and this stage and should probably also reflect on the the behavior towards potential predators etc. Noodle snacks ( talk) 07:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
The swooping sections mentions hats, beanies, helmets, flags and umbrellas... but does not comment on the recent (in my observation_ trend of using cable ties on bike helmets to deter magpies. I am not adding this in directly as I think it would constitute original research - ie, I don't know the REASON it works, though I could speculate... Does anyone know any more information for this, and perhaps a photo? -- .../Nemo ( talk) 04:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Jones seems to contradict Jones. In Jones (2003) he found no evidence of homing after birds were translocated, only 5 out of 141 relocated birds made it home (deposited at a variety of distances), but you cite Jones (2002) as saying that they can home back in. Sabine's Sunbird talk 01:09, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I've noted a number of vocalisations apart from just the 'wardle oodle warble' typical of the Magpie and the juvenile begging squawk.
GermanicusCaesar ( talk) 02:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
GermanicusCaesar ( talk) 06:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Not knowing much about Australia, I find the range descriptions almost impossible to understand. Can a subspecies range map be added? Snowman ( talk) 13:58, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Some comments on the article that I would fix if I had the knowledge or access to sources:
Circeus ( talk) 23:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I really enjoyed reading this. Here's some of the dreaded "personal research".
Back in spring 2006 a magpie was born in south Wollongong who is the most superb singer I have ever heard. He was one of 6 fledglings (but I cannot say if they all came from the same nest). One was run over by a 4WD. This bird is the Pavarotti of the Magpie world. While the other birds foraged, he sang and sang and sang. He commenced this activity while still a grey fluffy fledging, at a time when other birds are going squawk squawk and hoping a parent will jam something down their neck.
He soon realised that he had an appreciative audience in me, although I never fed him but only talked and whistled. When I walk along the street, he will appear on top of a pole, and treat me to little bursts of music, pole-hopping as I move along. One day he produced the ultimate.... a superb imitation of the prolonged high-pitch throat-throbbing of the local butcher bird..... and looked extraordinarily pleased with himself. He has married and now produced three young. I saw them all on the railing behind the local pub, with the missus trying to entice her fat fluffy babies to fly back to their tree. Dad, to her apparent frustration, was fully absorbed in giving them choir practice, coaching them with short phrases, repeated over and over.
The question here is, to what extent are magpies' (and similar birds) songs learnt? I had a long relationship with a pair of currawongs that lived in Camperdown Cemetery, Newtown and trusted me as an auntie to their young. They made all the usual cries, but didn't sing at all. They had no apparent contact with other currawongs, the nearest currawong that I knew of at the time was a soul male that lived in the inner city of Sydney and foraged in Hyde Park. Eventually a pair of magpies appeared in the cemetery. To my surprise, the currawongs accepted them and at last learnt to sing, a rather dumbed down version of the magpies' song. Amandajm ( talk) 08:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm so happy to see our wonderful birds on the front page! Amandajm ( talk) 09:39, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
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Several years ago I saw a flock of crow-sized birds but rather than being uniformly black, they were black and white. They in fact seem now to have resembled the Australian Magpie -- could the species reach California and if not, is there a native species (this was Sacramento area) that looks sort of like them?-- Jrm2007 ( talk) 07:39, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Like literally tens of thousands of students around me, in 1971 in my second-last year of High School in NSW we studied the Oz Magpie as a very detailed case study of the general topic of "Animal Behaviour". I can put in a couple of paragraphs from this. Is this a good idea? The document we worked from was a CSIRO one but I can not recall any further info about it. 121.216.53.29 ( talk) 08:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC) Whoops, forgot to login first Old_Wombat ( talk) 08:53, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
The very common and well-respected Simpson and Day give Gymnorhina as the genus, as does the Mangoverde World Bird Guide, as does the CSIRO. Whichever name is adopted, there needs to be consistency in the article. There are currently both 'C' and 'G' references. Old_Wombat ( talk) 09:09, 27 September 2011 (UTC) As does the image of the magpie on the Australian Museum page. Old_Wombat ( talk) 09:21, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello Casliber, good to talk to you again. Having read your last comment, and accepting it, and then re-reading the article, IMHO there is indeed sufficient space given to the assertion that "the magpie is now considered to be the same genus as the BBs but there is a dissenting opinion that it is a genus on its own". Having said that, the text needs to be put together. Right now, it is all over the place:
"A member of the Artamidae, it is closely related to the butcherbirds. " - right at the beginning of the lede.
"With its long legs, the Australian Magpie walks rather than waddles or hops and spends much time on the ground. This adaptation has led to some authorities maintaining it in its own genus Gymnorhina." - further down in the lede.
"The Australian Magpie had been placed in its own genus Gymnorhina, however several authorities, Storr in 1952 and later authors including Christidis and Boles in their 2008 official checklist, place it in the butcherbird genus Cracticus, giving rise to its current binomial name; they argue that its adaptation to ground-living is not enough to consider it as a separate genus.[13]"- in "Taxonomy", much much later.
Wot do you think? Old_Wombat ( talk) 08:12, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I do see what Old wombat is talking about, might me best to have both? Sample of Australian Magpie: Biology and Behaviour of an Unusual Songbird (CSIRO). Bidgee ( talk) 08:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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It would be great if we could include a couple of the names for these birds used by the aboriginal inhabitants of the continent, if anybody can locate some. — Hippietrail ( talk) 08:42, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, this is a new thing. Burklemore1 ( talk) 16:24, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
The year of publication of Latham's Supplementum indicis ornithologici sive systematis ornithologiae is disputed. The article currently has (Latham 1802). The title page of the book has 1801. The BHL mentions the possibility of two issues with some volumes dated 1801 and others 1802. The year is discussed by Alan Peterson on his Zoonomen site.
The IOC List, HBW Alive and the old Check-list of birds of the world all use 1801 for the year. I suggest changing the year in the article to 1801. Are other editors happy with this change? Aa77zz ( talk) 10:19, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I've reverted a set of well-intentioned additions to the article by a new editor. No source was given for most of the new material and, given that this is a featured article, I would expect significant changes to be discussed here first. Aa77zz ( talk) 22:04, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
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If anyone is interested, the Kearns paper on page 948 states, "our findings provide strong evidence that the synonymy of Gymnorhina is valid" - the opposite of how the IOC interpreted it (!) Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 14:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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I changed the "bibliography" sub-section to "Works cited" per
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This relates to the Taxonomy section of the Article, where other names are mentioned: Given that the name Piping Shrike is sometimes used locally in South Australia for the White Backed Magpie, particularly because of the connection to the SA Flag, seal, and badge; could you consider adding piping shrike to the list of other names. This is supported by the following book references as well as a range of SA gov websites. It is also covered in the Piping Shrike wiki article. Higgins et al Colour Plate facing page 609. OTHER ENGLISH NAMES -----; Piping Crow-shrike, Roller or Shrike; -----. Australian Bird Names Origins and Meanings, Fraser and Gray - “Piping Shrike, as formally described on the South Australian flag and coat of arms” in the section on other names for Gymnorhina tibicen telonocua (the White Backed Magpie) Adastral ( talk) 23:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it'd be appropriate to merge the article Australian magpie in New Zealand with this one. They are both the same bird, which caused me confusion when reading this page. I thought that it included New Zealand, but it has its own seperate article for some reason. New Zealand can have its own section in this article. Panamitsu ( talk) 03:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Source 112 no longer works (it was a PDF). I'm not sure how to edit sources so I thought I would add this to this page. NickTheChicken11 ( talk) 11:15, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
I don't know who, but somebody slapped the "Dinosauria" clade on there. From what I understand, that's only reserved for dinosaur pages here, not modern animals, right? Booger-mike ( talk) 10:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)