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Ok, so I eliminated a spacing error (as I saw it), but the result is that now the text runs into the picture. I have no idea how to edit pictures, so I'm waiting for someone else to make it all work. Sorry about leaving a mess. Unschool 23:02, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AUGUSTE RODIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this not vandalism with anti-french sentiment?
-- 5telios 14:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information. I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list. Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article. Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this as a model for the editors here. Regards, Durova 15:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
The list of locations has become something like a fetish, and is in dire need of a trimming to the essential eight or ten (which would be plenty!); right now there are 27, some of which are of marginal import, or less. However, I fear that cutting into this will engender some possessive or chauvanistic reactions. Can an experienced editor in the arts offer some suggestion? JNW 00:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
That's the surface stuff - I like to read a hardcopy - printing it out for tonight's bedtime reading, but I'm not great at analyzing prose :-) SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I stopped there - it's really quite excellent, but since I know nothing of the visual arts and I'm not that good at analyzing prose, these are only ideas. Good luck - it should be ready to go quite soon! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that this is definitely of GA quality. Nice work. I am including some comments below in case you want to go for FA and that would improve the article overall.
1. Please include examples of where Rodin was a "painter and print maker " ? (all I've ever seen are watercolors -- which would better be called "drawings")
2. "Rodin played a pivotal role in redefining sculpture. The predominant figure sculpture tradition of the time required an almost formulaic approach, and most sculpture was either decorative or highly thematic.Rodin modelled the human body with high realism, and celebrated individual character and physicality"
If examples of "high realism, and celebrating individual character and physicality" can be found before Rodin (and they can) -- the above claim is disproven. Also -- if there's not much sculpture immedately after Rodin that has these qualities -- it would be very difficult to say that sculpture had been "re-defined"
(I realize that the footnotes provide a source for this claim -- but that doesn't make it true)
3. "Rodin was a naturalist, less concerned with monumental expression than with character and emotion"
Again -- a footnote does not prove a claim -- it only shows its origin -- and Rodin's "concerns" are a matter of un-verifiable opinion. If this phrase (which I would dispute) is going to be included -- it should be prefaced by "According to some critics etc etc.." Mountshang 15:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Mountshang 12:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Rodin was not schooled in the École des Beaux-Arts. He was never admitted there, and for such reason he went to the Petite École. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catalina elias ( talk • contribs) 11:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
While we might like to include every piece of information on Rodin to make this a truly encyclopedic article, that is not possible. We have to carefully select items of true import. If you can find Rodin scholars who explain the artistic importance of the genealogy of Rodin's tools, we will include that information. However the citation you have included is to a commercial site, which is not reliable (see WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:ATT - these pages outline our policies on reliable sources). "Verifiability" is one of the cornerstone policies here at wikipedia. Thanks again! Awadewit | talk 22:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
It does not strike one as a suppression of information, so much as an attempt to recognize suitability of content for a biography--the disposition of Rembrandt's brushes after his death, for instance, would be a footnote, at best. In other words, and this concept comes up time and again, not all information is of equal weight WP:ROC. JNW ( talk) 20:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
The dry list that someone deleted is here. It would seem to be of use to the Wikipedia reader. -- Wetman ( talk) 16:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
"Locations of works"
Rodin's bronze "Eve, grand modele - version sans rocher," was sold for $ 18.9 million at Christie's auction in New York on May 6, 2008. Afp.google.com, Monet fetches record price at New York auction -- Florentino floro ( talk) 07:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
According to User:Sharkface217/Awards Center,
Oh, this is how you improve an article! Shit, I should never have spent 50 hours in earnest reading and writing about the subject. Have at 'er. – Outriggr § 00:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Four photos of Rodin in 1902 are now PD. [2] Ty 09:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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Could anyone add bibliographic description of Hale book to "References"? There are several editions of it, if I'm not mistaken. -- Blacklake ( talk) 07:52, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
The Google doodle for November 12, 2012, shows the Thinker and recognizes Rodin's 172nd birthday; this article is the top of search list, after the doodle's news coverage in the Times of India.-- Hjal ( talk) 06:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
François-Auguste-René Rodin (12 November 1840 – 17 November 1917), known as Auguste Rodin (play /oʊˈɡuːst roʊˈdæn/ oh-GOOST roh-DAN; French: [oɡyst ʁɔdɛ̃]), was a French sculptor. Although Rodin is generally considered the progenitor of modern sculpture,[1] he did not set out to rebel against the past. He was schooled traditionally, took a craftsman-like approach to his work, and desired academic recognition,[2] although he was never accepted into Paris's foremost school of art."
That is the worst-written paragraph I have ever seen in Wikipedia.
1. Why would the "progenitor of modern sculpture" set out to "rebel against the past?" The leading "Although" clause, (indeed, the entire sentence) STINKS of plagiarism.
2. Why would anybody ever use the phrase "rebel against the past?" Seriously, is that Wikipedia tone?
3. The last sentence goes on so long it nearly made me fall asleep in my own dream, where doubtless Leo DiCaprio would steal my secrets.
4. The paragraph isn't a particularly good summary of Rodin. What pieces of art did he make? Who did he influence? What characterizes his works? Aside a (shudder) workman-like approach.
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The Tate has a creative commons license picture of "Fallen Caryatid Carrying Her Stone." http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/rodin-the-fallen-caryatid-carrying-her-stone-n05955
I know nothing about uploading pictures to wikipedia anymore. I realize it may not be important enough for the article, but many articles have a "gallery" near the bottom, of thumbnails that link to full size pictures uploaded to wikipedia.
I'm actually looking for this because the cover of Heinlein's book Stranger in a Strange Land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land is based on this sculpture. The link there, and in the Rodin article, actually only link to the "caryatid" wikipedia article.
I would be very grateful if someone could upload this. Poidkurdo ( talk) 12:35, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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Back in the 90's, I drove some people for the Berkeley Student Cooperative Association during the summer to "Stanford to see the Rodin Sculptures." From the floral dresses, I guessed it might be their graduation. It was a small area. However, looking at this page The Thinker looks more green than black. It was a small sculpture garden of roughly 8 statues. I was familiar with "The Thinker" from my Art History class at Southeastern Louisiana State University. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:E944:B500:1B6:73F3:7CFB:EBC1 ( talk) 01:12, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
from 1915 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AREa9OoYB9A — Preceding unsigned comment added by Man74 ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
I've read that some of his works were destroyed in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center. Do we have any details? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 01:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
There's eight (!) outstanding citation needed tags on this article. One is enough to prevent an article from becoming a GA. I've never seriously tried to expand an article on a 19th-century person, and I suspect most of the information here will be in books (and I have no clue where to start to search), so I'm hoping someone else can at least get things started here towards getting this article back to GA status. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 08:21, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
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Ok, so I eliminated a spacing error (as I saw it), but the result is that now the text runs into the picture. I have no idea how to edit pictures, so I'm waiting for someone else to make it all work. Sorry about leaving a mess. Unschool 23:02, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AUGUSTE RODIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this not vandalism with anti-french sentiment?
-- 5telios 14:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information. I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list. Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article. Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this as a model for the editors here. Regards, Durova 15:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
The list of locations has become something like a fetish, and is in dire need of a trimming to the essential eight or ten (which would be plenty!); right now there are 27, some of which are of marginal import, or less. However, I fear that cutting into this will engender some possessive or chauvanistic reactions. Can an experienced editor in the arts offer some suggestion? JNW 00:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
That's the surface stuff - I like to read a hardcopy - printing it out for tonight's bedtime reading, but I'm not great at analyzing prose :-) SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I stopped there - it's really quite excellent, but since I know nothing of the visual arts and I'm not that good at analyzing prose, these are only ideas. Good luck - it should be ready to go quite soon! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that this is definitely of GA quality. Nice work. I am including some comments below in case you want to go for FA and that would improve the article overall.
1. Please include examples of where Rodin was a "painter and print maker " ? (all I've ever seen are watercolors -- which would better be called "drawings")
2. "Rodin played a pivotal role in redefining sculpture. The predominant figure sculpture tradition of the time required an almost formulaic approach, and most sculpture was either decorative or highly thematic.Rodin modelled the human body with high realism, and celebrated individual character and physicality"
If examples of "high realism, and celebrating individual character and physicality" can be found before Rodin (and they can) -- the above claim is disproven. Also -- if there's not much sculpture immedately after Rodin that has these qualities -- it would be very difficult to say that sculpture had been "re-defined"
(I realize that the footnotes provide a source for this claim -- but that doesn't make it true)
3. "Rodin was a naturalist, less concerned with monumental expression than with character and emotion"
Again -- a footnote does not prove a claim -- it only shows its origin -- and Rodin's "concerns" are a matter of un-verifiable opinion. If this phrase (which I would dispute) is going to be included -- it should be prefaced by "According to some critics etc etc.." Mountshang 15:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Mountshang 12:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Rodin was not schooled in the École des Beaux-Arts. He was never admitted there, and for such reason he went to the Petite École. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catalina elias ( talk • contribs) 11:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
While we might like to include every piece of information on Rodin to make this a truly encyclopedic article, that is not possible. We have to carefully select items of true import. If you can find Rodin scholars who explain the artistic importance of the genealogy of Rodin's tools, we will include that information. However the citation you have included is to a commercial site, which is not reliable (see WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:ATT - these pages outline our policies on reliable sources). "Verifiability" is one of the cornerstone policies here at wikipedia. Thanks again! Awadewit | talk 22:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
It does not strike one as a suppression of information, so much as an attempt to recognize suitability of content for a biography--the disposition of Rembrandt's brushes after his death, for instance, would be a footnote, at best. In other words, and this concept comes up time and again, not all information is of equal weight WP:ROC. JNW ( talk) 20:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
The dry list that someone deleted is here. It would seem to be of use to the Wikipedia reader. -- Wetman ( talk) 16:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
"Locations of works"
Rodin's bronze "Eve, grand modele - version sans rocher," was sold for $ 18.9 million at Christie's auction in New York on May 6, 2008. Afp.google.com, Monet fetches record price at New York auction -- Florentino floro ( talk) 07:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
According to User:Sharkface217/Awards Center,
Oh, this is how you improve an article! Shit, I should never have spent 50 hours in earnest reading and writing about the subject. Have at 'er. – Outriggr § 00:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Four photos of Rodin in 1902 are now PD. [2] Ty 09:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing Sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I went through the article and made various changes, please look them over. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good Article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2007. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 22:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Could anyone add bibliographic description of Hale book to "References"? There are several editions of it, if I'm not mistaken. -- Blacklake ( talk) 07:52, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
The Google doodle for November 12, 2012, shows the Thinker and recognizes Rodin's 172nd birthday; this article is the top of search list, after the doodle's news coverage in the Times of India.-- Hjal ( talk) 06:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
François-Auguste-René Rodin (12 November 1840 – 17 November 1917), known as Auguste Rodin (play /oʊˈɡuːst roʊˈdæn/ oh-GOOST roh-DAN; French: [oɡyst ʁɔdɛ̃]), was a French sculptor. Although Rodin is generally considered the progenitor of modern sculpture,[1] he did not set out to rebel against the past. He was schooled traditionally, took a craftsman-like approach to his work, and desired academic recognition,[2] although he was never accepted into Paris's foremost school of art."
That is the worst-written paragraph I have ever seen in Wikipedia.
1. Why would the "progenitor of modern sculpture" set out to "rebel against the past?" The leading "Although" clause, (indeed, the entire sentence) STINKS of plagiarism.
2. Why would anybody ever use the phrase "rebel against the past?" Seriously, is that Wikipedia tone?
3. The last sentence goes on so long it nearly made me fall asleep in my own dream, where doubtless Leo DiCaprio would steal my secrets.
4. The paragraph isn't a particularly good summary of Rodin. What pieces of art did he make? Who did he influence? What characterizes his works? Aside a (shudder) workman-like approach.
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The Tate has a creative commons license picture of "Fallen Caryatid Carrying Her Stone." http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/rodin-the-fallen-caryatid-carrying-her-stone-n05955
I know nothing about uploading pictures to wikipedia anymore. I realize it may not be important enough for the article, but many articles have a "gallery" near the bottom, of thumbnails that link to full size pictures uploaded to wikipedia.
I'm actually looking for this because the cover of Heinlein's book Stranger in a Strange Land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land is based on this sculpture. The link there, and in the Rodin article, actually only link to the "caryatid" wikipedia article.
I would be very grateful if someone could upload this. Poidkurdo ( talk) 12:35, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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Back in the 90's, I drove some people for the Berkeley Student Cooperative Association during the summer to "Stanford to see the Rodin Sculptures." From the floral dresses, I guessed it might be their graduation. It was a small area. However, looking at this page The Thinker looks more green than black. It was a small sculpture garden of roughly 8 statues. I was familiar with "The Thinker" from my Art History class at Southeastern Louisiana State University. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:E944:B500:1B6:73F3:7CFB:EBC1 ( talk) 01:12, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
from 1915 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AREa9OoYB9A — Preceding unsigned comment added by Man74 ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
I've read that some of his works were destroyed in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center. Do we have any details? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 01:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
There's eight (!) outstanding citation needed tags on this article. One is enough to prevent an article from becoming a GA. I've never seriously tried to expand an article on a 19th-century person, and I suspect most of the information here will be in books (and I have no clue where to start to search), so I'm hoping someone else can at least get things started here towards getting this article back to GA status. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 08:21, 15 June 2023 (UTC)