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Is this band a student run or university staff run band? Is it part of the music department? I saw an info box on a band page, maybe that would be something to add (I'll try to do it a bit later). -- Rocksanddirt 20:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
There is some info on the Auburn University page on the band and its visual ensemble, the Tiger Eyes, that needs to be incorporated into the new article. I created a main article link, but my wiki skills aren't to good to create new parts of an article. Some help in this area would be nice. If there are any requests for photos, I can provide them from the past year. Any other years, ask the band's webmaster. If you need any info at all the webmaster can help you out for most of your questions. This wikipage has the potential to grow, so please explore the bands website more. I could put in what I know from having played and worked for the band within the past 5 years, but I'd like to see what the outside world can dig up first. Dennibr 05:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I am currently looking for more secondary sources, I added a couple of newspaper articles.hopefully I will add more later tonight, this is my first attempt at a serious contribution to wikipedia, so feel free to correct me if (when) I make mistakes Stephenjoshd 16:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
There is a book that the AUMB published for their 100th aniversary back in 1997, and I am sure the AU archives has more information as well. Seeing as some of this info would not be directly from the band, would it be seen as acceptable to other wikipedians? Dennibr 14:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
First of all, its nice that pictures have been put on the page, however, we need to find out if they would fall under the copyright of the band, the university itself, or the photographer who actually took the picture. For pictures taken from the AUMB site, I should be able to provide the names based on what season the picture is from. For example, (I'm not bragging here, but stating the truth) I was the photographer for 2006. Under one of the 2006 photos, I stated that. I am not fully claiming ownership of the picture since it was taken of the band for the band. If that needs to be changed, go ahead. I just believe that both the band/university and photographer should be given credit where possible. Dennibr 15:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I spoke with Dr. Good (Director of Bands) on Friday (Aug. 2) and he explained to me that all photos, taken by anyone are subject to copyright of the AUMB, in his opinion. For instance, set designs are "copyrighted" by the band, since those would be work for hire (he designed one of the eagle sets). So for a rule of thumb to go by, any photos of the band (any part) should have a copyright label on the image. This would apply, IMO, for any image (taken by anyone, not just staff), since the uniform design is also owned by the band (other schools might have a similar basic design, but the end result is solely the AUMB's). This would, also IMO, a shot of a single member of the band. Most of this dealt with licensing issues with the school for postcards with the band on it. As Autiger said as his opinion above, it would also my opinion to allow documentation of who actually photographed the image, if that information is known or can readily be obtained. Dennibr 04:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Should the Tiger Eyes be mentioned under instrumentation, or should a separate heading be made for them? If it is decided that we give them their own heading, then I think it would be appropriate under that section to give a brief history of the sections and how they were intergrated as one visual ensemble. Dennibr 16:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
This discussion tranformed into the Content Restructuring discussion. They were separated for clarity. Dennibr 22:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Ok here's a proposed restructuring:
What do you think? AUTiger » talk 22:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh boy... I'm no good at navigating Wikipedia talk pages. Anyway. I'd just like to note that "tradition" isn't really a good word to describe the RAT Program or Alumni Band. Rather, they're sub-programs of the Auburn University Marching Band. Also, I'd like to make a huge distinction between the paid staff positions and student leadership positions, since they pull from two entirely different groups. Here's my proposal.
What do you think? -- StebenXC 00:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Brian approached me about contributing to the service organizations section, specifically in describing Kappa Kappa Psi and how the P chapter works to serve the AUMB. Below is a brief draft of what I would include in such a section:
File:Http://www.kkpsi.org/images/CrestHi.jpg Kappa Kappa Psi, Honorary Band Fraternity, was founded in 1919 at Oklahoma Agricultural & Mechanical College (now Oklahoma State University). The fraternity operates to serve the college and university bands. While the fraternity operates as a service organization, selection for membership is considered honorary as “it is an honor to be selected to serve”. [cite: http://www.kkpsi.org/whoiskkpsi.asp]
The AUMB is served by the Pi chapter of Kappa Kappa Psi. The Pi chapter was founded in 1926, but like many chapters of the then all male organization, the chapter went inactive during the years of the Great Depression and World War II. The chapter was rechartered on June 6, 1992.
Pursuant withe purposes of Kappa Kappa Psi [cite: http://www.kkpsi.org/purposes.asp], the Pi chapter works to serve the Auburn University Bands and the students involved with the band program. Some of this service is done through providing logistical support for the bands, such as the movement and set up of equipment and supplies, while other projects, such as fund raisers and social events, are also organized or supported by the chapter as a service to the Auburn University Bands.
The Pi Chapter was recognized as a Chapter Leadership Award Finalist by Kappa Kappa Psi for the 2005-2007 biennium at the fraternity's 2007 National Convention in Orlando, Florida. [cite: http://www.kkpsi.org/PodiumSpring2007.pdf]
Collimd 20:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
We should mention something about ΤΒΣ. I'm going ahead and making an edit, but it'll need some work.. -- StebenXC 04:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
With the current length and content of the article, can it still be considered a stub? If not, can we go ahead and remove the code declaring as such? Dennibr 03:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
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The article needs to reflect one or the other, not both. I see that the AUMB website is also confused about this matter. However, if memory serves me correctly it has been RAT and not R.A.T. Dennibr ( talk) 18:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The official phrase these days is R.A.T., to emphasize that it is an acronym for Rookie Auburn Tiger and not a derogatory term. But since this is cumbersome to write, the periods are often omitted. Wikipedia should probably use the official abbreviation complete with periods, however. -- StebenXC ( talk) 01:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
In the Georgia Tech Yellow Jacket marching band, first-year members are called RATs, for Recruit At Tech (though RATS can stand for Recently Acquired Tech Students). I find it hard to believe that both Auburn and GT developed RATs by sheer coincidence. The question is, who came up with it first? Did GT steal from Auburn, or did Auburn steal from GT? I am asking the same question on Georgia Tech Yellow Jacket Marching Band. According to that page, GT first began using the term in 1915. Mellophonius ( talk) 23:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
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Is this band a student run or university staff run band? Is it part of the music department? I saw an info box on a band page, maybe that would be something to add (I'll try to do it a bit later). -- Rocksanddirt 20:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
There is some info on the Auburn University page on the band and its visual ensemble, the Tiger Eyes, that needs to be incorporated into the new article. I created a main article link, but my wiki skills aren't to good to create new parts of an article. Some help in this area would be nice. If there are any requests for photos, I can provide them from the past year. Any other years, ask the band's webmaster. If you need any info at all the webmaster can help you out for most of your questions. This wikipage has the potential to grow, so please explore the bands website more. I could put in what I know from having played and worked for the band within the past 5 years, but I'd like to see what the outside world can dig up first. Dennibr 05:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I am currently looking for more secondary sources, I added a couple of newspaper articles.hopefully I will add more later tonight, this is my first attempt at a serious contribution to wikipedia, so feel free to correct me if (when) I make mistakes Stephenjoshd 16:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
There is a book that the AUMB published for their 100th aniversary back in 1997, and I am sure the AU archives has more information as well. Seeing as some of this info would not be directly from the band, would it be seen as acceptable to other wikipedians? Dennibr 14:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
First of all, its nice that pictures have been put on the page, however, we need to find out if they would fall under the copyright of the band, the university itself, or the photographer who actually took the picture. For pictures taken from the AUMB site, I should be able to provide the names based on what season the picture is from. For example, (I'm not bragging here, but stating the truth) I was the photographer for 2006. Under one of the 2006 photos, I stated that. I am not fully claiming ownership of the picture since it was taken of the band for the band. If that needs to be changed, go ahead. I just believe that both the band/university and photographer should be given credit where possible. Dennibr 15:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I spoke with Dr. Good (Director of Bands) on Friday (Aug. 2) and he explained to me that all photos, taken by anyone are subject to copyright of the AUMB, in his opinion. For instance, set designs are "copyrighted" by the band, since those would be work for hire (he designed one of the eagle sets). So for a rule of thumb to go by, any photos of the band (any part) should have a copyright label on the image. This would apply, IMO, for any image (taken by anyone, not just staff), since the uniform design is also owned by the band (other schools might have a similar basic design, but the end result is solely the AUMB's). This would, also IMO, a shot of a single member of the band. Most of this dealt with licensing issues with the school for postcards with the band on it. As Autiger said as his opinion above, it would also my opinion to allow documentation of who actually photographed the image, if that information is known or can readily be obtained. Dennibr 04:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Should the Tiger Eyes be mentioned under instrumentation, or should a separate heading be made for them? If it is decided that we give them their own heading, then I think it would be appropriate under that section to give a brief history of the sections and how they were intergrated as one visual ensemble. Dennibr 16:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
This discussion tranformed into the Content Restructuring discussion. They were separated for clarity. Dennibr 22:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Ok here's a proposed restructuring:
What do you think? AUTiger » talk 22:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh boy... I'm no good at navigating Wikipedia talk pages. Anyway. I'd just like to note that "tradition" isn't really a good word to describe the RAT Program or Alumni Band. Rather, they're sub-programs of the Auburn University Marching Band. Also, I'd like to make a huge distinction between the paid staff positions and student leadership positions, since they pull from two entirely different groups. Here's my proposal.
What do you think? -- StebenXC 00:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Brian approached me about contributing to the service organizations section, specifically in describing Kappa Kappa Psi and how the P chapter works to serve the AUMB. Below is a brief draft of what I would include in such a section:
File:Http://www.kkpsi.org/images/CrestHi.jpg Kappa Kappa Psi, Honorary Band Fraternity, was founded in 1919 at Oklahoma Agricultural & Mechanical College (now Oklahoma State University). The fraternity operates to serve the college and university bands. While the fraternity operates as a service organization, selection for membership is considered honorary as “it is an honor to be selected to serve”. [cite: http://www.kkpsi.org/whoiskkpsi.asp]
The AUMB is served by the Pi chapter of Kappa Kappa Psi. The Pi chapter was founded in 1926, but like many chapters of the then all male organization, the chapter went inactive during the years of the Great Depression and World War II. The chapter was rechartered on June 6, 1992.
Pursuant withe purposes of Kappa Kappa Psi [cite: http://www.kkpsi.org/purposes.asp], the Pi chapter works to serve the Auburn University Bands and the students involved with the band program. Some of this service is done through providing logistical support for the bands, such as the movement and set up of equipment and supplies, while other projects, such as fund raisers and social events, are also organized or supported by the chapter as a service to the Auburn University Bands.
The Pi Chapter was recognized as a Chapter Leadership Award Finalist by Kappa Kappa Psi for the 2005-2007 biennium at the fraternity's 2007 National Convention in Orlando, Florida. [cite: http://www.kkpsi.org/PodiumSpring2007.pdf]
Collimd 20:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
We should mention something about ΤΒΣ. I'm going ahead and making an edit, but it'll need some work.. -- StebenXC 04:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
With the current length and content of the article, can it still be considered a stub? If not, can we go ahead and remove the code declaring as such? Dennibr 03:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
The image Image:CrestHi.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
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The article needs to reflect one or the other, not both. I see that the AUMB website is also confused about this matter. However, if memory serves me correctly it has been RAT and not R.A.T. Dennibr ( talk) 18:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The official phrase these days is R.A.T., to emphasize that it is an acronym for Rookie Auburn Tiger and not a derogatory term. But since this is cumbersome to write, the periods are often omitted. Wikipedia should probably use the official abbreviation complete with periods, however. -- StebenXC ( talk) 01:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
In the Georgia Tech Yellow Jacket marching band, first-year members are called RATs, for Recruit At Tech (though RATS can stand for Recently Acquired Tech Students). I find it hard to believe that both Auburn and GT developed RATs by sheer coincidence. The question is, who came up with it first? Did GT steal from Auburn, or did Auburn steal from GT? I am asking the same question on Georgia Tech Yellow Jacket Marching Band. According to that page, GT first began using the term in 1915. Mellophonius ( talk) 23:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)