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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 14:58, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Okay, my first time trying to use the "talk" page, hope this works...
I read the abstract for the article cited to support this statement:
"It is indicated by recent studies that regardless of the numerous studies that have been done, the effects of prescription drugs on individuals with ADHD is not proven very effective".
This is not supported by the article, and is actually not what the study is investigating at all. The study is concerned with use of prescription drugs by individuals without an ADHD diagnosis. Let's change/remove that statement.
Just got diagnosed with ADD myself, and for the life of me cannot understand how editing on Wikipedia works, so I hope this comment is recieved by the community.
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.185.150.82 ( talk) 15:52, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Have read page and would just like to add that perhaps a section on " Parents who have ADHD " would be helpful for those family members who may need help in looking after their elder relations.
Thanks, your article page has been enlightening. 85.189.80.176 ( talk) 20:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
And may I [another editor] add re the above:
"It is indicated by recent studies that regardless of the numerous studies that have been done, the effects of prescription drugs on individuals with ADHD is not proven very effective."
(1.) "Effects" is plural, so you wouldn't say "is".
(2.) "Effects" aren't "effective" or "ineffective"; the drugs are.
So that whole sentence needs a rewrite. Sorry I don't have time right now. (I'm also having unusual trouble paying attention to this article, for some reason...) 96.49.9.52 ( talk) 21:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
ADD is simply the old name for ADHD (DSM 3). It does not specify a specific subtype of ADHD thus should simply redirect to ADHD. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
I think the source mentions that ADD was originally used for those who were inattentive and ADHD for those who were hyperactive. Enkidu6 ( talk) 00:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
The DSM-5 is whacking the ICD out of Wikipedia in many respects. But why? ICD is WHO (World Health Organization). Does Wikipedia "play sides" with standards? Doesn't this make Wikipedia a propaganda tool, then? 156.22.3.1 ( talk) 03:03, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder predominantly inattentive →
Attention deficit disorder – I recently came to this article because I was going to cite it in my latest comment (the one that is currently at the bottom) in
a different move discussion. This article
was moved by
Doc James in 2013 upon the
DSM-5 changes to names of disorders, and so on. But as was noted in
WP:Med DSM-5 discussion in 2013 about moving article titles, we should not adhere solely to what the DSM-5 calls a medical topic when deciding on the topic's article name. This topic is still widely called attention deficit disorder, as also
currently noted in the lead. So despite the lead stating that attention deficit disorder is a formerly matter, it isn't.
WP:COMMONNAME and
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles#Article titles should be considered in this case; WP:COMMONNAME pays respect to the latter in addition to stating that we should usually go by the most commonly recognized name. But I don't see any proof that medical sources have generally discarded the term attention deficit disorder. I will contact
WP:Med about weighing in on this.
Flyer22 (
talk)
02:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Note: Per Doc James's comments below, and the attention deficit disorder redirect having been remedied, I now oppose moving this article to Attention deficit disorder. Flyer22 ( talk) 10:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
- DSM-V states on the ADHD criteria that: 314.00 (F90.0) Predominantly inattentive presentation: If Criterion A1 (inattention) is met but Criterion A2 (hyperactivity-impulsivity) is not met for the past 6 months.
- DSM-III states on ADD criteria that: Diagnostic criteria for Attention Deficit Disorder without Hyperactivity The criteria for this disorder are the same as those for Attention Deficit Disorder with Hyperactivity except that the individual never had signs of hyperactivity (criterion C).
ADD is the term used in DSM-III to designate a significally dysfunctional state in a large group of children and adolescents that is characterierized by a failure to remain attentive in situations, expecially in school and at home, where it is socially necessary to do so.
The real question remains if Wikipedia is going to follow the latest guide of DSM or an older version that is generally accepted and understood by the public (version III from 1980). Both versions seem to include all the other criteria, and both having the exclusion of hyperactivity criteria. I think James is right, but I think that we should also take history into account and look at what the general public (our main readers) will understand and recognize. Being right doesn't always mean it is the best option. I feel it is not the time yet to use this confusing term, since also the scientific literature seems to use both terms. EllenvanderVeen ( talk) 16:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
We have this source [2] which describes the changes in nomenclature. Basically 1980 DSMIII two types of ADD with/without hyperactivity. 1987 DSMIIIR ADHD introduced to replace both the previous. 1994 DSM4 introduces two types of ADHD, hyperactive-impulsive and inattentive types. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 11:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
"Hesitative responses, doubt, and delayed execution due to inattention remembering information"
Inattention is not a subject, that can remember information. Remembering relevant information could be the cause for "Hesitative responses, doubt, and delayed execution", but that's already a guess. Also still wrong grammar. And no mention of relevant or irrelevant. No idea why "remember" links to memory>recall. I could look there, but that sounds stupid, so I won't. The table doesn't have any sources given, so I can't look those up either. It's oddly satisfying how meta this article is :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Must.learn.more. ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Also:
"Difficulty finding misplaced tools after task switching due to bypassing adequate memory storage" is an enigma wrapped around a mystery as well.
"adequate memory storage" is exactly what? Pretty sure that's not a thing. Or has some more technical definition, that needs elaboration
and is probably not valid in all models of memory. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Must.learn.more. (
talk •
contribs)
16:34, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
ADHD does cooccur with other neurodivergencies, such as autisism. infact theres has been a study that suggested that 60% of autistic people also ADHD and 40% if adhd diagnosed people are autistic as well. " cant occur with other pervasive developmental disorders" is outdated.
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 14:58, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Okay, my first time trying to use the "talk" page, hope this works...
I read the abstract for the article cited to support this statement:
"It is indicated by recent studies that regardless of the numerous studies that have been done, the effects of prescription drugs on individuals with ADHD is not proven very effective".
This is not supported by the article, and is actually not what the study is investigating at all. The study is concerned with use of prescription drugs by individuals without an ADHD diagnosis. Let's change/remove that statement.
Just got diagnosed with ADD myself, and for the life of me cannot understand how editing on Wikipedia works, so I hope this comment is recieved by the community.
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.185.150.82 ( talk) 15:52, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Have read page and would just like to add that perhaps a section on " Parents who have ADHD " would be helpful for those family members who may need help in looking after their elder relations.
Thanks, your article page has been enlightening. 85.189.80.176 ( talk) 20:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
And may I [another editor] add re the above:
"It is indicated by recent studies that regardless of the numerous studies that have been done, the effects of prescription drugs on individuals with ADHD is not proven very effective."
(1.) "Effects" is plural, so you wouldn't say "is".
(2.) "Effects" aren't "effective" or "ineffective"; the drugs are.
So that whole sentence needs a rewrite. Sorry I don't have time right now. (I'm also having unusual trouble paying attention to this article, for some reason...) 96.49.9.52 ( talk) 21:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
ADD is simply the old name for ADHD (DSM 3). It does not specify a specific subtype of ADHD thus should simply redirect to ADHD. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
I think the source mentions that ADD was originally used for those who were inattentive and ADHD for those who were hyperactive. Enkidu6 ( talk) 00:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
The DSM-5 is whacking the ICD out of Wikipedia in many respects. But why? ICD is WHO (World Health Organization). Does Wikipedia "play sides" with standards? Doesn't this make Wikipedia a propaganda tool, then? 156.22.3.1 ( talk) 03:03, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder predominantly inattentive →
Attention deficit disorder – I recently came to this article because I was going to cite it in my latest comment (the one that is currently at the bottom) in
a different move discussion. This article
was moved by
Doc James in 2013 upon the
DSM-5 changes to names of disorders, and so on. But as was noted in
WP:Med DSM-5 discussion in 2013 about moving article titles, we should not adhere solely to what the DSM-5 calls a medical topic when deciding on the topic's article name. This topic is still widely called attention deficit disorder, as also
currently noted in the lead. So despite the lead stating that attention deficit disorder is a formerly matter, it isn't.
WP:COMMONNAME and
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles#Article titles should be considered in this case; WP:COMMONNAME pays respect to the latter in addition to stating that we should usually go by the most commonly recognized name. But I don't see any proof that medical sources have generally discarded the term attention deficit disorder. I will contact
WP:Med about weighing in on this.
Flyer22 (
talk)
02:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Note: Per Doc James's comments below, and the attention deficit disorder redirect having been remedied, I now oppose moving this article to Attention deficit disorder. Flyer22 ( talk) 10:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
- DSM-V states on the ADHD criteria that: 314.00 (F90.0) Predominantly inattentive presentation: If Criterion A1 (inattention) is met but Criterion A2 (hyperactivity-impulsivity) is not met for the past 6 months.
- DSM-III states on ADD criteria that: Diagnostic criteria for Attention Deficit Disorder without Hyperactivity The criteria for this disorder are the same as those for Attention Deficit Disorder with Hyperactivity except that the individual never had signs of hyperactivity (criterion C).
ADD is the term used in DSM-III to designate a significally dysfunctional state in a large group of children and adolescents that is characterierized by a failure to remain attentive in situations, expecially in school and at home, where it is socially necessary to do so.
The real question remains if Wikipedia is going to follow the latest guide of DSM or an older version that is generally accepted and understood by the public (version III from 1980). Both versions seem to include all the other criteria, and both having the exclusion of hyperactivity criteria. I think James is right, but I think that we should also take history into account and look at what the general public (our main readers) will understand and recognize. Being right doesn't always mean it is the best option. I feel it is not the time yet to use this confusing term, since also the scientific literature seems to use both terms. EllenvanderVeen ( talk) 16:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
We have this source [2] which describes the changes in nomenclature. Basically 1980 DSMIII two types of ADD with/without hyperactivity. 1987 DSMIIIR ADHD introduced to replace both the previous. 1994 DSM4 introduces two types of ADHD, hyperactive-impulsive and inattentive types. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 11:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
"Hesitative responses, doubt, and delayed execution due to inattention remembering information"
Inattention is not a subject, that can remember information. Remembering relevant information could be the cause for "Hesitative responses, doubt, and delayed execution", but that's already a guess. Also still wrong grammar. And no mention of relevant or irrelevant. No idea why "remember" links to memory>recall. I could look there, but that sounds stupid, so I won't. The table doesn't have any sources given, so I can't look those up either. It's oddly satisfying how meta this article is :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Must.learn.more. ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Also:
"Difficulty finding misplaced tools after task switching due to bypassing adequate memory storage" is an enigma wrapped around a mystery as well.
"adequate memory storage" is exactly what? Pretty sure that's not a thing. Or has some more technical definition, that needs elaboration
and is probably not valid in all models of memory. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Must.learn.more. (
talk •
contribs)
16:34, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
ADHD does cooccur with other neurodivergencies, such as autisism. infact theres has been a study that suggested that 60% of autistic people also ADHD and 40% if adhd diagnosed people are autistic as well. " cant occur with other pervasive developmental disorders" is outdated.