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The thread here is 80% BS flame ware, but it is sprinkled with informative, well sourced posts to multiple occurrences of this from multiple sides.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=68936 RAF shooting Italians, USAAF doing this as a general frequent policy against Germans, Soviets shooting at Finns etc etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.254.216 ( talk) 21:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
The article utters no word (I read through it and then searched extra for "Soviet" or "Russian") on the attacks on parachutists at the Eastern front, I would like to see some statements on it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.68.197.178 ( talk) 21:30, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
According to our Wikipedia colleague "during times of war" looks "cooler", is more compliant with the Wikipedia guidelines and is more understandable than "during a war".
Hmm, how could I? ;-) 85.193.232.158 ( talk) 16:06, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
An introduction should describe the subject matter, not go on to attack the subject, as here. Furthermore the reference to "military pilots have to be held to a higher standard" shows confusion about the topic, since the attacks are against pilots and passengers, not by pilots. Royalcourtier ( talk) 05:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
The style is that of a popular work of military history, not an encyclopaedia entry. The text needs tightening up. Anyone who has the time, inclination and capacity to do this would be doing a good thing.
Regards to all. Notreallydavid ( talk) 22:43, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
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The citation in this article allegedly given by Lee is highly improbable, bordering on impossible, and is certainly at least hyperbole or a misunderstanding about which planes he was under attack by, assuming it is not a lie. I believe it should be removed from this article. Firstly, his broad claim is that 3 separate Me-262 aircraft shot at men in parachutes. Considering their rarity and use, this alone is a bold, albeit not impossible, claim. Me-262 aircraft - all variants - were extremely limited on fuel, and the pilots also certainly knew of the lack of fuel back at their airbase. Thus I find it extremely hard to believe that this would happen. Secondly, he claims: "When I hit the ground a burst of machine gun was fired at me." No production variant of the Me-262 was equipped with machineguns. Their typical offensive armament consisted of either 2 or 4 30mm cannons, and such cannons had very limited ammunition. If such shells impacted even near him, he would have been maimed. Third, he also claims: "On the way we passed a row of dead American airmen, about twelve of them covered with blood soaked parachutes. I knew they were shot dead on the way down." Considering the points given above: the Me-262 had very limited airtime, that it had very limited ammunition, and that anti-aircraft rounds in use by such 30mm cannons would likely - and I do not speak hyperbole - obliterate a man's torso upon a hit, I will again repeat my initial claim that this anecdote is untrustworthy and ought to be removed. -Posted on March 16th, 2020.
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The thread here is 80% BS flame ware, but it is sprinkled with informative, well sourced posts to multiple occurrences of this from multiple sides.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=68936 RAF shooting Italians, USAAF doing this as a general frequent policy against Germans, Soviets shooting at Finns etc etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.254.216 ( talk) 21:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
The article utters no word (I read through it and then searched extra for "Soviet" or "Russian") on the attacks on parachutists at the Eastern front, I would like to see some statements on it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.68.197.178 ( talk) 21:30, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
According to our Wikipedia colleague "during times of war" looks "cooler", is more compliant with the Wikipedia guidelines and is more understandable than "during a war".
Hmm, how could I? ;-) 85.193.232.158 ( talk) 16:06, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
An introduction should describe the subject matter, not go on to attack the subject, as here. Furthermore the reference to "military pilots have to be held to a higher standard" shows confusion about the topic, since the attacks are against pilots and passengers, not by pilots. Royalcourtier ( talk) 05:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
The style is that of a popular work of military history, not an encyclopaedia entry. The text needs tightening up. Anyone who has the time, inclination and capacity to do this would be doing a good thing.
Regards to all. Notreallydavid ( talk) 22:43, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
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The citation in this article allegedly given by Lee is highly improbable, bordering on impossible, and is certainly at least hyperbole or a misunderstanding about which planes he was under attack by, assuming it is not a lie. I believe it should be removed from this article. Firstly, his broad claim is that 3 separate Me-262 aircraft shot at men in parachutes. Considering their rarity and use, this alone is a bold, albeit not impossible, claim. Me-262 aircraft - all variants - were extremely limited on fuel, and the pilots also certainly knew of the lack of fuel back at their airbase. Thus I find it extremely hard to believe that this would happen. Secondly, he claims: "When I hit the ground a burst of machine gun was fired at me." No production variant of the Me-262 was equipped with machineguns. Their typical offensive armament consisted of either 2 or 4 30mm cannons, and such cannons had very limited ammunition. If such shells impacted even near him, he would have been maimed. Third, he also claims: "On the way we passed a row of dead American airmen, about twelve of them covered with blood soaked parachutes. I knew they were shot dead on the way down." Considering the points given above: the Me-262 had very limited airtime, that it had very limited ammunition, and that anti-aircraft rounds in use by such 30mm cannons would likely - and I do not speak hyperbole - obliterate a man's torso upon a hit, I will again repeat my initial claim that this anecdote is untrustworthy and ought to be removed. -Posted on March 16th, 2020.