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I have consulted dozens of maps, schedules, and books, some going back decades, and can find absolutely no reference to the line of the LIRR that runs in Atlantic Avenue being called the "Atlantic Branch". Please provide a source. Jd2718 01:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[1] [2] -- NE2 01:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
According to LIRR Branch Timetables there's an Atlantic Terminal BUT no such thing as Atlantic Branch. I think, for our pages to be most helpful for readers, we need to use the LIRR terminology - or at least stick much more closely to it. I see 2 possible current uses - one being just the branch between Atlantic Terminal and Jamaica, the other being outdated historical usage-- JimWae ( talk) 22:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
It does not seem to be a term currently used by the LIRR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LIRR_schematic.svg - and hence confusing-- JimWae ( talk) 23:32, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
LIRR calls the portion east of Jamaica the Far Rockaway Branch [3]. How does it serve readers if we create our own branch designations for stations? There do seem to be some sources (such as this) for calling the Jamaica-Atlantic Terminal section along Atlantic Ave the Atlantic Branch -- JimWae ( talk) 10:02, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Then we have conflicting sources. But the sources that I have presented are publicly available. We editors cannot decide that what the public schedules say is wrong based on info not available to other editors here. At the very least 1> Template:Far_Rockaway_Branch needs to include more stations, AND 2>this article needs to acknowledge that the LIRR publishes no schedules for any Atlantic Branch, AND 3>even that what is called the Atlantic Branch is not clear (as it seems it is also being applied to just the section between Flatbush & Jamaica.-- JimWae ( talk) 02:18, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Also: The link to Schedules at http://employee.lirr.org/ does not have any Atlantic Branch (it too goes to LIRR Branch Timetables )-- JimWae ( talk) 02:26, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I think the discrepancy is between a perspective relating to service vs the physical "last branch off" from a track used in common (at junctions) - but on the LIRR the "final" branches can reconnect via switches. In any case, the LIRR articles need to be written from the perspective of the users of the services, not that of the small minority of employees and retired employees-- JimWae ( talk) 02:37, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I think it would clarify things if we distinguished lines from branches - Main Line, Montauk Line, Atlantic Line; and branches can be as currently defined by LIRR (Ronkonkoma Branch, Montauk Branch, ...) That would be accurate, historical & currently useful. --
JimWae (
talk)
21:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
-- NE2 05:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
"Steam Motors". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 12 August 1877. p. 4.
-- NE2 10:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Also see "To Abandon Crossings". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 9 May 1899. p. 7. and "Application Granted". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 6 July 1899. p. 6.: [4] [5]. -- NE2 12:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Also "Rapid Transit". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 13 August 1877. p. 4.: [6] [7] - also states that through trains made no stops between Flatbush and East New York except Bedford, at least after rapid transits began. -- NE2 01:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
An 1890 map (NYPL 1519748) shows the following stations:
-- NE2 22:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The following are on an 1897 map:
-- NE2 01:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
This information is from [8], except west of East New York.
The starred stations were discontinued in 1898 with the opening of the Chestnut Street Incline. [1]
-- NE2 23:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
"Poor Train Service to Manhattan Beach". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 25 June 1900. p. 1. talks about Manhattan Beach trains skipping Nostrand Avenue, Troy Avenue, and Utica Avenue. In "Manhattan Beach". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 6 July 1899. p. 4. they still stopped there. -- NE2 10:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I removed the line template because it keeps messing up the article in one way or another. ---- DanTD ( talk) 22:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
What's the name of the junction east of Jamaica Station between the Main Line and Atlantic Branch? It should be included in the article, where this geotag( 40°42′04″N 73°48′11″W / 40.701°N 73.803°W) currently exists. ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Atlantic Branch/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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I have consulted dozens of maps, schedules, and books, some going back decades, and can find absolutely no reference to the line of the LIRR that runs in Atlantic Avenue being called the "Atlantic Branch". Please provide a source. Jd2718 01:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[1] [2] -- NE2 01:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
According to LIRR Branch Timetables there's an Atlantic Terminal BUT no such thing as Atlantic Branch. I think, for our pages to be most helpful for readers, we need to use the LIRR terminology - or at least stick much more closely to it. I see 2 possible current uses - one being just the branch between Atlantic Terminal and Jamaica, the other being outdated historical usage-- JimWae ( talk) 22:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
It does not seem to be a term currently used by the LIRR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LIRR_schematic.svg - and hence confusing-- JimWae ( talk) 23:32, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
LIRR calls the portion east of Jamaica the Far Rockaway Branch [3]. How does it serve readers if we create our own branch designations for stations? There do seem to be some sources (such as this) for calling the Jamaica-Atlantic Terminal section along Atlantic Ave the Atlantic Branch -- JimWae ( talk) 10:02, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Then we have conflicting sources. But the sources that I have presented are publicly available. We editors cannot decide that what the public schedules say is wrong based on info not available to other editors here. At the very least 1> Template:Far_Rockaway_Branch needs to include more stations, AND 2>this article needs to acknowledge that the LIRR publishes no schedules for any Atlantic Branch, AND 3>even that what is called the Atlantic Branch is not clear (as it seems it is also being applied to just the section between Flatbush & Jamaica.-- JimWae ( talk) 02:18, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Also: The link to Schedules at http://employee.lirr.org/ does not have any Atlantic Branch (it too goes to LIRR Branch Timetables )-- JimWae ( talk) 02:26, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I think the discrepancy is between a perspective relating to service vs the physical "last branch off" from a track used in common (at junctions) - but on the LIRR the "final" branches can reconnect via switches. In any case, the LIRR articles need to be written from the perspective of the users of the services, not that of the small minority of employees and retired employees-- JimWae ( talk) 02:37, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I think it would clarify things if we distinguished lines from branches - Main Line, Montauk Line, Atlantic Line; and branches can be as currently defined by LIRR (Ronkonkoma Branch, Montauk Branch, ...) That would be accurate, historical & currently useful. --
JimWae (
talk)
21:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
-- NE2 05:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
"Steam Motors". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 12 August 1877. p. 4.
-- NE2 10:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Also see "To Abandon Crossings". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 9 May 1899. p. 7. and "Application Granted". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 6 July 1899. p. 6.: [4] [5]. -- NE2 12:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Also "Rapid Transit". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 13 August 1877. p. 4.: [6] [7] - also states that through trains made no stops between Flatbush and East New York except Bedford, at least after rapid transits began. -- NE2 01:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
An 1890 map (NYPL 1519748) shows the following stations:
-- NE2 22:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The following are on an 1897 map:
-- NE2 01:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
This information is from [8], except west of East New York.
The starred stations were discontinued in 1898 with the opening of the Chestnut Street Incline. [1]
-- NE2 23:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
"Poor Train Service to Manhattan Beach". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 25 June 1900. p. 1. talks about Manhattan Beach trains skipping Nostrand Avenue, Troy Avenue, and Utica Avenue. In "Manhattan Beach". Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Brooklyn, NY. 6 July 1899. p. 4. they still stopped there. -- NE2 10:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I removed the line template because it keeps messing up the article in one way or another. ---- DanTD ( talk) 22:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
What's the name of the junction east of Jamaica Station between the Main Line and Atlantic Branch? It should be included in the article, where this geotag( 40°42′04″N 73°48′11″W / 40.701°N 73.803°W) currently exists. ---- DanTD ( talk) 14:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Atlantic Branch/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
To do:
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Last edited at 01:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 08:32, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
motors
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).restored
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).approved
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).granted
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).