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I have added a description of Athenas countenance in classic sculpture. Not only her attributes but her face is fairly constant in sculpture. If you wish to check if my description is accurate, the Athena Album link in the article is the easiest way.
Incidentally, the article describes Athena as wearing full armor. In some reliefs, pictures and sculptures I have seen, she is, but in most, she isn't.
Sensemaker
I removed this statement:
... her byname Pallas has been compared to Hittite palahh, a divine raiment [1].
The linked webpage does have an abstract (in German) of a paper that makes this argument (Fahri IŞIK, Zur anatolischen Athena im Lichte der Athena Ergane von Ilion und der Athena Nikephoros von Pergamon). However, this is just an abstract, not published research in a peer-reviewed journal, so I don't think it should be included in the article. --Akhilleus ( talk) 03:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I also removed some other statements that seemed pretty questionable to me and didn't have sources, and took out the bit from Plato's Cratylus. The etymologies in the Cratylus are implausible at best, and probably weren't widely held by the classical Greeks, so it's usually not worth citing them in a general article. --Akhilleus ( talk) 03:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Read first Wikipedia:Footnotes.
The information of the sources must be complete in order to find the original source easily. --> User:Atenea26, 14:10, 27 Julu 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following text:
Herodotus does say something like this, but his religious theories aren't regarded as reliable by modern scholars. For instance, if you look at Walter Burkert's Greek Religion, his section on Athena says nothing about Herodotus' "theories of an Egyptian origin for many of the Greek gods." Greek Religion is generally regarded as the authoritative work on Greek religion, so it's a good representative of academic consensus on these matters. --Akhilleus ( talk) 23:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
>>Akhilleus-- OK, what you say is true enough, but before the above was added, the text made it appear as if this was an odd idea that Plato had, when in fact, probably a lot of people in his day believed it. I certainly did not intend to argue that it was true, so if I left that impression, then it was wise to revise as you did. I think the current read is fine. --Plamoa 13 Sep 2006
I re-wrote this:
Plato, and also Herodotus, noted that Greeks living in the city of Sais in Egypt worshipped a goddess whose Egyptian name was Neith; these Greeks, by Interpretatio graeca, identified her with Athena. ( Timaeus 21e), ( Histories 2:170-175).
Plato didn't say that citizens of Sais were Greeks, at least not during the time that Solon visited Sais. Plato's exact words are: "the citizens have a deity for their foundress; she is called in the Egyptian tongue Neith, and is asserted by them to be the same whom the Hellenes call Athene; they are great lovers of the Athenians, and say that they are in some way related to them. ( Timaeus,21e). -- Odysses (☜) 17:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Some anon has added the following information about Athena to the Post-classical section, certain editors have been trying to remove it even though the argument that it is "irrelevant" seems a little suspicious to me:
Athena is the patron goddess for the social fraternity Phi Delta Theta.
How can you possibly argue that this is irrelevant to Athena? Do you understand the definition of the word "relevant"? There must be some other motive for your not wanting this to be exposed, because "relevance" is a non-starter for an argument. Is this going to take an rfd? ፈቃደ ( ውይይት) 14:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
RFC Response Wikipedia:Trivia#Article content should be interesting (an essay that may become a guideline) tells us that we should only mention things that are encyclopedic (assumed by the entire page), interesting, and important. To whom is it important that the goddess is the patron goddess for the fraternity? To whom is it interesting? The proposed edit here is not cited. In our article on the fraternity, the factoid is cited only to the fraternity's website. Absent any evidence that anyone outside the fraternity has discussed this in a reliable source, I conclude that it is only important and interesting to the fraternity, and should only be mentioned on their article, not here. GRBerry 17:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Could someone verify this please? I don't ever remember reading about Athena ever being raped, or having a child (son I'm guessing?). Since he doesn't have his own page, or is mentioned on any other page (at least according to the search engine on wikipedia), I don't trust the information is true, but then there are many versions of the myths out there, I didn't cut the information from the article. But if anyone has heard of Erichthononious (google just gives the Athena page on wikipedia and someone's blog) and could clarify his myth or if it's a mispelling, I'd appriciate it. If someone doesn't (within a week I guess? or maybe a bit longer since there doesn't seem to be much activity here), then I'll probably cut it. Irish ♣ Pearl 23:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Irish ♣ Pearl 00:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm doing a clean-up on the Pallas article, moving the text to the appropriate articles and turning it into a disambiguation page. There is a part that would go here, however it looks like this page already covers the story behind Athena's Pallas epithet pretty well. Here is the text in case anyone wants to incorprorate any of it here:
- Ravenous 21:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
References
Is it possible to say more exactly the form of which species of Sea eagle (bird) did Athena assume in Book 3 of Odyssey? -- Eleassar my talk 07:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I adjusted this new section before we all run away with the idea, and the reader is told that, in addition to Poseidon being her "uncle", Aphrodite is Athena's great-aunt and Triton her first cousin. Along this line, Eros would be her first cousin once removed... -- Wetman 00:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I just did some editing to the lead... this article has real problems.
For instance, the lead claims outright that there is evidence that Athena was originally an owl or bird goddess, but it didn;t say who made these claims (can't just say there IS evidence, need to say who claims that, per WP:NPOV). It also made the radical conclusion that the aegis was originally wings, which, again, needs to be cited to somebody and not just claimed, and the page that WAS cited was a website by someone with no creentials to be saying anything, just some minor thrown together site with very little real info, certainly not the kind of source that should be cited. Plus the article comes out and says that Athena probably was a prehistoric goddess, agains never said who said that, and thn the footnote that was there didn;t lead to an actual source at all, just somebody's additional comment.
And that was just one paragraph. Claims about theories need to: 1) be cited as a theory and not "probable" or outright fact, 2) specifically mention who made the claim (and it must be someone who is a reliable source) and 3) refer back to a verifiable, scholarly source that shows outright that that person made that claim.
And additionally: 4) Also cite other sources with contrary theories should also be included when at all possible. DreamGuy 03:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
This article needs rewriting. It is difficult to read and hard to follow many of the sentences. Markisgreen 17:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
This was a great, though unintended discourtesy. User:Americist has innocently discarded a great many nuanced and thoughtful statements that were obscure too him and at times replaced them with middle-school inanities: thus he writes, "He challenged Metis to a playful shape-shifting game. They transformed themselves into many creatures, big and small. When Metis took the form of a fly, Zeus caught her in his mouth and swallowed her." This has replaced footnoted text that stuck close to the wording of myths in Hesiod et al., with footnotes. This is one of many steps backwards. Perhaps Americist will tell us where Metis swallowed in the form of a fly comes from.
I shall work with the framework that Americist has established and begin restoring some of the lost information. I have restored a nuanced opening 3-paragraph summary: in long Wikipedia articles, all the essentials need to be stated or referred to once, up-front. I shall work my way down the article, As I find time and patience. -- Wetman 08:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
My understanding is that the epitheth on Athena as Parthogenos was not that she was a virgin, but that she was already existing. This might refer to long lost memories of the invasion of Zeus's tribes in to greece, and Athena being one of the indigent population. Not part of the invasion, and not being an offspring of Zeus.
I was in the belief that the goddess athena was not only the goddess of wisdom but also the goddess of strategy which would make sense since in most photos you see of her she is not standing on the battlefield but near it as if a signal that she was controling the battle not fighting in it.
Saltysailor ( talk) 15:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC) an Athenian
The text seems to switch back and forth between Athena and Athene. Is there really no distinction between these? We should probably choose one and stick to it except for a comment explaining alternate names. Or if there's a distinction explain it and perhaps separate the two into two sections or pages.
62.232.55.118 ( talk) 14:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I would normally make such a minor edit myself, but it doesn't look like I can for this artcle. In intro paragraph, someone has written, "She is the virgin patron of Athens, which built the Parthenon to worship her". This seems to imply that the inanimate city of Athens built the Parthenon. It would be much more correct to insert some reference to the citizens of Athens into that sentence so that they can do the building. - 75.157.198.121 ( talk) 18:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
This is a highly misleading and strange sentence in the first paragraph. She was a goddess of wisdom, defensive war, and crafts, and a patron of heroes, but it is highly misleading to solely state she is the goddess of heroic endeavours. I have an account but it won't let me edit the dratted sentence. Anyway, any opinions on this?
Wisewillow ( talk) 04:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)WiseWillow
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Reformed Church of Athena
The Reformed Church of Athena is a small, American-based religious group. They worship Athena as their only deity, and believe that she gave humanity coffee and rock & roll. Unlike most religions, they have few rules for their followers. It was founded in the Summer of 2008.
Source: AthenaChurch.org
Ashumaloz ( talk) 17:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Arachne was important. That story was one of the most famous one. It's where the word arachid"? (spider) comes from. ~Rhana~{♦} talk page 21:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
The Cults and Epithets sections have become jumbled together. Also, there are a few untranslated/untransliterated names among the epithets. These are useless to speakers of English. Krychek ( talk) 03:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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- in the article section. (I believe some error has been made while editting the article, before it was locked...) May someone please fix the problem? Thanks, 79.178.115.138 ( talk) 11:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
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I suggest we add Athens under the title.
Polis = Athens
In the Greek Infobox, anyone disagree? Calamitas-92 ( talk) 09:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
O'DOYLES RULE!!! —Preceding
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i wanted to noe wen was athena born —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.236.252.246 ( talk) 21:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
-_- No one knows when Athena was born. ~Rhana~{♦} talk page 21:32, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Ada/Da = "mother", "mother goddess" (in Luwian)
Demeter: <Da-meter ("meter" also means "mother" in Greek)
Athena: <Athana (in Doric) < Adana <Ada-na /-na ="place", "temple of" (in Luwian)
Danae: <Da-na (similar name like Athena!) Danae was not a goddess. She was the mother of Perseus.
more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Luwian_language#Luwian_Gods_and_Goddesses Böri ( talk) 10:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering what the caretakers of this article think about adding a section about Athena in popular culture. She has played a big role in Marvel Comics' " The Incredible Hercules" on-going series. She is also apparently the mother (?!) of one of the main characters in the " Percy Jackson & the Olympians" book series by Rick Riordan. Spekkio ( talk) 15:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Athena was born from her father, Zeus. Zeus was having massive forehead opening headachs, so what they did to see what is wrong is they split his forehead open.Then out came Athena fuller dressed/growed. It is known that this happened because Zeus had swallowed Athena's mother,Metis, while she was pregnant with Athena. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.97.45.12 ( talk) 23:54, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
athena was the goddess of wisdom born from her fathers forehead —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.196.62.115 ( talk) 16:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
It would be productive to include, perhaps under the palladium section, a brief account along the lines of:
After the Trojan war was over, Ajax the lesser attacked the priestess Cassandra in Athena's temple, dragging her off the altar as she prayed to the goddess and clung onto a wooden statue of Athena. Because of this, Athena was furious with the Greeks, and sent a wave to drown Ajax. Macdicilla ( talk) 23:06, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know when Athena was described as having the owl as her bird? If so, then this needs to be included with an explaination for why it is one of her symbols. Thanks 78.146.132.102 Classics ( talk) 08:33, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, I noticed what I believe to be an error in the article pertaining to the Goddess Athena.
In the first line of the "Mythology - Birth - Olympian Version" section, there is reference to "...Mycenean Knossos...". Knossos was in fact on the island of Crete and therefore Minoan, predating the Myceneans who appeared later on the mainland.
Thanks.
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vandalism revert: unregistered IP had removed a section; reverted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fraulein451 ( talk • contribs) 03:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
In studying the Trial of Socrates, Philosophy students learn that Athena always votes to Pardon. I think this is a cool fact, and worth mentioning, but don't see it on the page. Did I just miss something? Daniel J. Hakimi ( talk) 22:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
In your opening section the word "athenai" is mentioned in the last paragraph, and is translated as "many!" But it seems that for some reason, the scholars who have worked on this site, have either disregarded other variations of the word "Athens", or maybe even don't know of it! That is, their appears to be an Italian version of the word, spelled as "Setines!!" The source of this can be found here; http://books.google.com/books?id=7knSBqbjMl4C&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=franks+in+the+levant&source=web&ots=PtRgC-k5gp&sig=UZC0SzB1gYFgx77qa-nCYOTnGpI&hl=en&ei=jtGRSefVFdCCtwf_lKTXCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result
Your response will be appreciated! 96.19.147.40 ( talk) 20:39, 13 May 2013 (UTC)Ronald L.Hughes
"On a plaster tablet in Mycenae, there are two women stretching their hands towards a figure covered by a figure eight shield. The figure is probably a female divinity, and the armed goddess could be Athena, or her palladium. It seems that the war goddess was a Mycenean creation" ( George Mylonas (1966) " Mycenae and the Mycenaean World", Princeton University Press, pp. 156,160 ) This paragraph could be probably added to the section "Etymology-Origins." jest 15:39, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
In a Cyprian inscription (KAI. 42) the Greek goddess Athêna Sôteira Nikê is equated with ‘Anat (who is described in the inscription as the strength of life : l‘uzza hayim). (Retrieved from the article Anat) It seems that there is a connection, but the source is not mentioned. 130.43.4.242 ( talk) 18:16, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I say you should mention something about the Percy Jackson books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.2.31.126 ( talk) 18:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
"archaic myths about her were recast to adapt to cultural changes"
Which myths? Give examples and citations, because right now it's so vague. 169.232.118.221 ( talk) 00:35, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm not a historian. I have an interest in history, and in popular culture. I think it worth mentioning (in the post-classical culture section) that André Citroën named the top line of his DS models (pronounced Déesse in French, for Goddess) Pallas. See /info/en/?search=Citro%C3%ABn_DS. If no one objects, I'll mention it. -- Don B. Cilly ( talk) 02:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
The word palla is from the language TAMIL. The people who lived in low land(PALLAM in tamil) like riverbed called themselves as PALLAR. They are the originators of first most civilization of the world. This people are belongs to the empire of PANDIAS who ruled the Greek in ancient times. The descendants of these people are now becoming Greeks. The name Athena is originated from the tamil name Aathini(first women) Athini >> Atheni>> Athena.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.194.157 ( talk) 15:41, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I know we are talking about multiple versions of the same story told by multiple authors, but of all the explanations as to how Medusa came to be I've never understood why Ovid has Athene first curse Medusa for getting raped by Poseidon in her temple, then plot to have her murdered with the help of Perseus. According to David Leeming (2013) the god of the sea and Medusa were lovers and "according to Hesiod ... they lay in a beautiful meadow on a bed of flowers." (page 12) It was only in the Roman telling of the story that the act became (for reasons that are unclear) a temple rape. I know this is speculation, but was Medusa's curse a result of the rivalry between Poseidon and Athene for the city Athens? (I ask the question here because I am hoping some editor might have access to a text that I don't) Or are there other examples of Athene cursing rape victims? All my sources for Athene's vindictiveness are vague and it seems oddly out of place considering that she's the goddess of wisdom, courage and civilization. Xenomorph erotica ( talk) 14:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
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I have added a description of Athenas countenance in classic sculpture. Not only her attributes but her face is fairly constant in sculpture. If you wish to check if my description is accurate, the Athena Album link in the article is the easiest way.
Incidentally, the article describes Athena as wearing full armor. In some reliefs, pictures and sculptures I have seen, she is, but in most, she isn't.
Sensemaker
I removed this statement:
... her byname Pallas has been compared to Hittite palahh, a divine raiment [1].
The linked webpage does have an abstract (in German) of a paper that makes this argument (Fahri IŞIK, Zur anatolischen Athena im Lichte der Athena Ergane von Ilion und der Athena Nikephoros von Pergamon). However, this is just an abstract, not published research in a peer-reviewed journal, so I don't think it should be included in the article. --Akhilleus ( talk) 03:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I also removed some other statements that seemed pretty questionable to me and didn't have sources, and took out the bit from Plato's Cratylus. The etymologies in the Cratylus are implausible at best, and probably weren't widely held by the classical Greeks, so it's usually not worth citing them in a general article. --Akhilleus ( talk) 03:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Read first Wikipedia:Footnotes.
The information of the sources must be complete in order to find the original source easily. --> User:Atenea26, 14:10, 27 Julu 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following text:
Herodotus does say something like this, but his religious theories aren't regarded as reliable by modern scholars. For instance, if you look at Walter Burkert's Greek Religion, his section on Athena says nothing about Herodotus' "theories of an Egyptian origin for many of the Greek gods." Greek Religion is generally regarded as the authoritative work on Greek religion, so it's a good representative of academic consensus on these matters. --Akhilleus ( talk) 23:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
>>Akhilleus-- OK, what you say is true enough, but before the above was added, the text made it appear as if this was an odd idea that Plato had, when in fact, probably a lot of people in his day believed it. I certainly did not intend to argue that it was true, so if I left that impression, then it was wise to revise as you did. I think the current read is fine. --Plamoa 13 Sep 2006
I re-wrote this:
Plato, and also Herodotus, noted that Greeks living in the city of Sais in Egypt worshipped a goddess whose Egyptian name was Neith; these Greeks, by Interpretatio graeca, identified her with Athena. ( Timaeus 21e), ( Histories 2:170-175).
Plato didn't say that citizens of Sais were Greeks, at least not during the time that Solon visited Sais. Plato's exact words are: "the citizens have a deity for their foundress; she is called in the Egyptian tongue Neith, and is asserted by them to be the same whom the Hellenes call Athene; they are great lovers of the Athenians, and say that they are in some way related to them. ( Timaeus,21e). -- Odysses (☜) 17:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Some anon has added the following information about Athena to the Post-classical section, certain editors have been trying to remove it even though the argument that it is "irrelevant" seems a little suspicious to me:
Athena is the patron goddess for the social fraternity Phi Delta Theta.
How can you possibly argue that this is irrelevant to Athena? Do you understand the definition of the word "relevant"? There must be some other motive for your not wanting this to be exposed, because "relevance" is a non-starter for an argument. Is this going to take an rfd? ፈቃደ ( ውይይት) 14:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
RFC Response Wikipedia:Trivia#Article content should be interesting (an essay that may become a guideline) tells us that we should only mention things that are encyclopedic (assumed by the entire page), interesting, and important. To whom is it important that the goddess is the patron goddess for the fraternity? To whom is it interesting? The proposed edit here is not cited. In our article on the fraternity, the factoid is cited only to the fraternity's website. Absent any evidence that anyone outside the fraternity has discussed this in a reliable source, I conclude that it is only important and interesting to the fraternity, and should only be mentioned on their article, not here. GRBerry 17:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Could someone verify this please? I don't ever remember reading about Athena ever being raped, or having a child (son I'm guessing?). Since he doesn't have his own page, or is mentioned on any other page (at least according to the search engine on wikipedia), I don't trust the information is true, but then there are many versions of the myths out there, I didn't cut the information from the article. But if anyone has heard of Erichthononious (google just gives the Athena page on wikipedia and someone's blog) and could clarify his myth or if it's a mispelling, I'd appriciate it. If someone doesn't (within a week I guess? or maybe a bit longer since there doesn't seem to be much activity here), then I'll probably cut it. Irish ♣ Pearl 23:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Irish ♣ Pearl 00:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm doing a clean-up on the Pallas article, moving the text to the appropriate articles and turning it into a disambiguation page. There is a part that would go here, however it looks like this page already covers the story behind Athena's Pallas epithet pretty well. Here is the text in case anyone wants to incorprorate any of it here:
- Ravenous 21:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
References
Is it possible to say more exactly the form of which species of Sea eagle (bird) did Athena assume in Book 3 of Odyssey? -- Eleassar my talk 07:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I adjusted this new section before we all run away with the idea, and the reader is told that, in addition to Poseidon being her "uncle", Aphrodite is Athena's great-aunt and Triton her first cousin. Along this line, Eros would be her first cousin once removed... -- Wetman 00:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I just did some editing to the lead... this article has real problems.
For instance, the lead claims outright that there is evidence that Athena was originally an owl or bird goddess, but it didn;t say who made these claims (can't just say there IS evidence, need to say who claims that, per WP:NPOV). It also made the radical conclusion that the aegis was originally wings, which, again, needs to be cited to somebody and not just claimed, and the page that WAS cited was a website by someone with no creentials to be saying anything, just some minor thrown together site with very little real info, certainly not the kind of source that should be cited. Plus the article comes out and says that Athena probably was a prehistoric goddess, agains never said who said that, and thn the footnote that was there didn;t lead to an actual source at all, just somebody's additional comment.
And that was just one paragraph. Claims about theories need to: 1) be cited as a theory and not "probable" or outright fact, 2) specifically mention who made the claim (and it must be someone who is a reliable source) and 3) refer back to a verifiable, scholarly source that shows outright that that person made that claim.
And additionally: 4) Also cite other sources with contrary theories should also be included when at all possible. DreamGuy 03:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
This article needs rewriting. It is difficult to read and hard to follow many of the sentences. Markisgreen 17:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
This was a great, though unintended discourtesy. User:Americist has innocently discarded a great many nuanced and thoughtful statements that were obscure too him and at times replaced them with middle-school inanities: thus he writes, "He challenged Metis to a playful shape-shifting game. They transformed themselves into many creatures, big and small. When Metis took the form of a fly, Zeus caught her in his mouth and swallowed her." This has replaced footnoted text that stuck close to the wording of myths in Hesiod et al., with footnotes. This is one of many steps backwards. Perhaps Americist will tell us where Metis swallowed in the form of a fly comes from.
I shall work with the framework that Americist has established and begin restoring some of the lost information. I have restored a nuanced opening 3-paragraph summary: in long Wikipedia articles, all the essentials need to be stated or referred to once, up-front. I shall work my way down the article, As I find time and patience. -- Wetman 08:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
My understanding is that the epitheth on Athena as Parthogenos was not that she was a virgin, but that she was already existing. This might refer to long lost memories of the invasion of Zeus's tribes in to greece, and Athena being one of the indigent population. Not part of the invasion, and not being an offspring of Zeus.
I was in the belief that the goddess athena was not only the goddess of wisdom but also the goddess of strategy which would make sense since in most photos you see of her she is not standing on the battlefield but near it as if a signal that she was controling the battle not fighting in it.
Saltysailor ( talk) 15:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC) an Athenian
The text seems to switch back and forth between Athena and Athene. Is there really no distinction between these? We should probably choose one and stick to it except for a comment explaining alternate names. Or if there's a distinction explain it and perhaps separate the two into two sections or pages.
62.232.55.118 ( talk) 14:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I would normally make such a minor edit myself, but it doesn't look like I can for this artcle. In intro paragraph, someone has written, "She is the virgin patron of Athens, which built the Parthenon to worship her". This seems to imply that the inanimate city of Athens built the Parthenon. It would be much more correct to insert some reference to the citizens of Athens into that sentence so that they can do the building. - 75.157.198.121 ( talk) 18:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
This is a highly misleading and strange sentence in the first paragraph. She was a goddess of wisdom, defensive war, and crafts, and a patron of heroes, but it is highly misleading to solely state she is the goddess of heroic endeavours. I have an account but it won't let me edit the dratted sentence. Anyway, any opinions on this?
Wisewillow ( talk) 04:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)WiseWillow
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Add following Roman fable of Arachne
Reformed Church of Athena
The Reformed Church of Athena is a small, American-based religious group. They worship Athena as their only deity, and believe that she gave humanity coffee and rock & roll. Unlike most religions, they have few rules for their followers. It was founded in the Summer of 2008.
Source: AthenaChurch.org
Ashumaloz ( talk) 17:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Arachne was important. That story was one of the most famous one. It's where the word arachid"? (spider) comes from. ~Rhana~{♦} talk page 21:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
The Cults and Epithets sections have become jumbled together. Also, there are a few untranslated/untransliterated names among the epithets. These are useless to speakers of English. Krychek ( talk) 03:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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- in the article section. (I believe some error has been made while editting the article, before it was locked...) May someone please fix the problem? Thanks, 79.178.115.138 ( talk) 11:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
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I suggest we add Athens under the title.
Polis = Athens
In the Greek Infobox, anyone disagree? Calamitas-92 ( talk) 09:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
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i wanted to noe wen was athena born —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.236.252.246 ( talk) 21:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
-_- No one knows when Athena was born. ~Rhana~{♦} talk page 21:32, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Ada/Da = "mother", "mother goddess" (in Luwian)
Demeter: <Da-meter ("meter" also means "mother" in Greek)
Athena: <Athana (in Doric) < Adana <Ada-na /-na ="place", "temple of" (in Luwian)
Danae: <Da-na (similar name like Athena!) Danae was not a goddess. She was the mother of Perseus.
more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Luwian_language#Luwian_Gods_and_Goddesses Böri ( talk) 10:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering what the caretakers of this article think about adding a section about Athena in popular culture. She has played a big role in Marvel Comics' " The Incredible Hercules" on-going series. She is also apparently the mother (?!) of one of the main characters in the " Percy Jackson & the Olympians" book series by Rick Riordan. Spekkio ( talk) 15:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Athena was born from her father, Zeus. Zeus was having massive forehead opening headachs, so what they did to see what is wrong is they split his forehead open.Then out came Athena fuller dressed/growed. It is known that this happened because Zeus had swallowed Athena's mother,Metis, while she was pregnant with Athena. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.97.45.12 ( talk) 23:54, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
athena was the goddess of wisdom born from her fathers forehead —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.196.62.115 ( talk) 16:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
It would be productive to include, perhaps under the palladium section, a brief account along the lines of:
After the Trojan war was over, Ajax the lesser attacked the priestess Cassandra in Athena's temple, dragging her off the altar as she prayed to the goddess and clung onto a wooden statue of Athena. Because of this, Athena was furious with the Greeks, and sent a wave to drown Ajax. Macdicilla ( talk) 23:06, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know when Athena was described as having the owl as her bird? If so, then this needs to be included with an explaination for why it is one of her symbols. Thanks 78.146.132.102 Classics ( talk) 08:33, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, I noticed what I believe to be an error in the article pertaining to the Goddess Athena.
In the first line of the "Mythology - Birth - Olympian Version" section, there is reference to "...Mycenean Knossos...". Knossos was in fact on the island of Crete and therefore Minoan, predating the Myceneans who appeared later on the mainland.
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vandalism revert: unregistered IP had removed a section; reverted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fraulein451 ( talk • contribs) 03:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
In studying the Trial of Socrates, Philosophy students learn that Athena always votes to Pardon. I think this is a cool fact, and worth mentioning, but don't see it on the page. Did I just miss something? Daniel J. Hakimi ( talk) 22:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
In your opening section the word "athenai" is mentioned in the last paragraph, and is translated as "many!" But it seems that for some reason, the scholars who have worked on this site, have either disregarded other variations of the word "Athens", or maybe even don't know of it! That is, their appears to be an Italian version of the word, spelled as "Setines!!" The source of this can be found here; http://books.google.com/books?id=7knSBqbjMl4C&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=franks+in+the+levant&source=web&ots=PtRgC-k5gp&sig=UZC0SzB1gYFgx77qa-nCYOTnGpI&hl=en&ei=jtGRSefVFdCCtwf_lKTXCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result
Your response will be appreciated! 96.19.147.40 ( talk) 20:39, 13 May 2013 (UTC)Ronald L.Hughes
"On a plaster tablet in Mycenae, there are two women stretching their hands towards a figure covered by a figure eight shield. The figure is probably a female divinity, and the armed goddess could be Athena, or her palladium. It seems that the war goddess was a Mycenean creation" ( George Mylonas (1966) " Mycenae and the Mycenaean World", Princeton University Press, pp. 156,160 ) This paragraph could be probably added to the section "Etymology-Origins." jest 15:39, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
In a Cyprian inscription (KAI. 42) the Greek goddess Athêna Sôteira Nikê is equated with ‘Anat (who is described in the inscription as the strength of life : l‘uzza hayim). (Retrieved from the article Anat) It seems that there is a connection, but the source is not mentioned. 130.43.4.242 ( talk) 18:16, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I say you should mention something about the Percy Jackson books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.2.31.126 ( talk) 18:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
"archaic myths about her were recast to adapt to cultural changes"
Which myths? Give examples and citations, because right now it's so vague. 169.232.118.221 ( talk) 00:35, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm not a historian. I have an interest in history, and in popular culture. I think it worth mentioning (in the post-classical culture section) that André Citroën named the top line of his DS models (pronounced Déesse in French, for Goddess) Pallas. See /info/en/?search=Citro%C3%ABn_DS. If no one objects, I'll mention it. -- Don B. Cilly ( talk) 02:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
The word palla is from the language TAMIL. The people who lived in low land(PALLAM in tamil) like riverbed called themselves as PALLAR. They are the originators of first most civilization of the world. This people are belongs to the empire of PANDIAS who ruled the Greek in ancient times. The descendants of these people are now becoming Greeks. The name Athena is originated from the tamil name Aathini(first women) Athini >> Atheni>> Athena.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.194.157 ( talk) 15:41, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I know we are talking about multiple versions of the same story told by multiple authors, but of all the explanations as to how Medusa came to be I've never understood why Ovid has Athene first curse Medusa for getting raped by Poseidon in her temple, then plot to have her murdered with the help of Perseus. According to David Leeming (2013) the god of the sea and Medusa were lovers and "according to Hesiod ... they lay in a beautiful meadow on a bed of flowers." (page 12) It was only in the Roman telling of the story that the act became (for reasons that are unclear) a temple rape. I know this is speculation, but was Medusa's curse a result of the rivalry between Poseidon and Athene for the city Athens? (I ask the question here because I am hoping some editor might have access to a text that I don't) Or are there other examples of Athene cursing rape victims? All my sources for Athene's vindictiveness are vague and it seems oddly out of place considering that she's the goddess of wisdom, courage and civilization. Xenomorph erotica ( talk) 14:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
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