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Is there any particular reason that this page was created separately from the original Athabaskan page? It seems to me that it should just redirect to the other page, with any additional information incorporated into that page. They are, as far as I can tell, only variant spellings of each other, and so do not warrant separate pages. If you don't want me to change this back to a redirect, let me know soon.
Are there Navajo and Apache in Texas? -- Zoe
probably should incorporate this info into this article
hi. this list with all dialects/sublangs too long? there is the common problem (here as well as in other families) where dialects have historically been called distinct languages & where distinct languages have been called by the same name. this was my original reason for the inclusion of many dialects. however, it is rather lengthy.
what does someone else think? peace – ishwar (speak) 19:54, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)
at any rate below is the pruned list
I agree that this list looks better -- Aes1691 ( talk) 21:27, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
The Athabascan languages were traditionally spoken over a huge area in Canada and Alaska. We need to illustrate this. The current picture, which only shows the southern N. America areas, is woefully inadequate. Can anyone come up with something? — Nowhither 22:51, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Is Proto-Athabaskan really reconstructed as having two vowels? Campbell 1997 says that Krauss and Golla 1981, Krauss 1979, and Cook and Rice 1989 reconstruct i, u, e ([æ]), a ([ɔ]), and "reduced vowels" α, ə, and ʊ. -- Whimemsz 02:02, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Having no dictionary of Athabascan languages (nor any other Na-Dene tongues), I cannot do this myself. But could someone possibly make a list of basic vocabulary items (Dolgopolski's 15-, Yakhontov's 35-, Swadesh's 100- or 200-word list) or, at least, give me some information on where I could find an on-line dictionary of any Athabascan language? Thank you very much in advance.
--Pet'usek 12:40, 18 March 2006 (UTC) (Czech Republic)
There should be a brief mention of the (Athabaskan+Eyak), ((Athabaskan+Eyak)+Tlingit), as well as of the controversial ((Athabaskan+Eyak)+Tlingit)(+Haida) link, I think. Let me add a To-Do list to the talk page - anyone can expand the list or remove individual items. -- Pe t 'usek petrdothrubisatgmaildotcom 09:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
The intro gives the impression that Athabaskan can also refer to a group of indigenous peoples of America. Perhaps the peoples should be split from this page on linguistics? Saimdusan Talk| Contribs 08:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
The numbering/hierarchy in a family tree outline needs to be consistent. The numbering as it is is confusing and thus makes the relationships and hierarchy not very clear. Azalea pomp ( talk) 19:04, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
When was the idea first proposed that Athabaskan/Na-Dene was a more recent migration to America than other families? Was it Greenberg, or did he adopt a preexisting view? kwami ( talk) 21:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Edward Sapir said it in something like 1921, and many others said it before Greenberg did. See: http://ia311202.us.archive.org/1/items/collectedworksof06sapi/collectedworksof06sapi.pdf (that's a large pdf file) Nosliw1 ( talk) 17:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I suspect that Kari 1989 refers to: Kari, James. 1989. Affix Positions and Zones in the Athabaskan Verb Complex: Ahtna and Navajo. International Journal of American Linguistics 55:424-455
I have no idea what "Kari 2009" refers to though. Does anyone know? Nosliw1 ( talk) 17:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
The page of Kwalhioqua–Tlatskanai language (or Kwalhioqua–Clatskanie) created on the North Frisian wikipedia: frr:Kwalhioqua–Tlatskanai spriak. The page has only on the frr Wikipedia -- Kmoksy ( talk) 02:58, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
"The Athabaskan family is the second largest family in North America in terms of number of languages and the number of speakers..." I read this to mean that there are more Athabaskan speakers than English speakers in North America. Surely that is not correct. 66.67.24.71 ( talk) 09:14, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Should the Siletz be mentioned? c.f. http://siletz.swarthmore.edu/?q=talking&fields=all&semantic_ids= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.125.10.243 ( talk) 05:36, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The new page for Alaskan Athabascans (a part of Athabascan peoples) in the Turkish Wikipedia ( tr:Alaska Atabaskları) created. -- Kmoksy ( talk) 21:03, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Disappointed there is no mention of possible Athabaskan ~ Basque kinship. A web search of the question 'Basque language ≈ Athabascan?' yields many references. When I first heard about the theory, I got a Basque-English dictionary. The word 'dene' ~ 'people' was listed and 'atha' ~ 'away.' So, this seems to suggest that Athabascan = Away-Basques, which would make a lot of sense. Of course, their genome would have picked up new elements from Yenisei tribes and others. hgwb ( talk) 07:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
If the Northern group varies about as much as the entire family, how valid is the subgrouping as presented? -- JorisvS ( talk) 20:53, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
The article lists Chilcotin and Nicola as Athapaskan languages of Washington. As far as I know Chilcotin is restricted to BC, and Nicola is a Salishan group (and not a language - though an Athapaskan migrant group did reside with them at one point, long since vanished or assimilated). Is there something here I am missing? 70.75.233.253 ( talk) 07:32, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
A question: "Ata baskan" means "father president" in Turkish, furthermore "ATHABASKAN BRAINSTEM DYSGENESIS SYNDROME" exists in Atabaskans and Turkish people. [1] Did anybody think this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bilgin adem ( talk • contribs) 21:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
This article is confusing because it uses the Na-Dene languages distribution < /info/en/?search=File:Na-Dene_langs.png> for a map. What's the Athabaskan distribution, though? -- Makkachin ( talk) 13:16, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
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This is largely a directory page for component sublanguages/groups, many of which are not yet listed here or in the languages/cultures below; has good discussion of the language group's history/technical matters; but again more lay content is, I think, advisable --
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I made this post because one of the statements on the page seems rather strange:
As a crude approximation, the differences between Athabaskan languages may be compared to differences between Indo-European languages. Thus, Koyukon and Dena'ina are about as different as French and Spanish, while Koyukon and Gwich'in are as different as English and Italian.
This last sentence does not seems very believable, especially since the whole Athasbaskan family is as old as the Germanic branch, maybe it was more about lexicon but the way it's stated seems like it's more of a reference to genetic distance.
I know there's a citation so I searched a little & I found this :
http://www.alaskool.org/language/Athabaskan/Athabas_Prelim.htm
It seems to be all of the book & as you can see there's no mention of a comparison between to two families, as such I don't think this statement should stay on the page...
(I apologize in advance if this is not how I should open a new section, I'm a beginner (as an active user) and I'm not very familiar with the advanced functions of the site)
Rafaël Calado ( talk) 05:24, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
"The differences between Alaskan Athabaskan languages can be compared readily with the degrees of difference between European languages. Koyukon and Tanana, for example, might be said to be as different as French and Spanish, while Koyukon and Kutchin might be as different as English and Italian."It's rather bold and illicit to extrapolate from "Alaskan Athabaskan" to "Athabaskan", and from "European" to "Indo-European", and since the article is about the Athabaskan languages in toto, I will just remove the statement. But the linked text is useful, so I will add in a further reading section. – Austronesier ( talk) 16:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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Is there any particular reason that this page was created separately from the original Athabaskan page? It seems to me that it should just redirect to the other page, with any additional information incorporated into that page. They are, as far as I can tell, only variant spellings of each other, and so do not warrant separate pages. If you don't want me to change this back to a redirect, let me know soon.
Are there Navajo and Apache in Texas? -- Zoe
probably should incorporate this info into this article
hi. this list with all dialects/sublangs too long? there is the common problem (here as well as in other families) where dialects have historically been called distinct languages & where distinct languages have been called by the same name. this was my original reason for the inclusion of many dialects. however, it is rather lengthy.
what does someone else think? peace – ishwar (speak) 19:54, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)
at any rate below is the pruned list
I agree that this list looks better -- Aes1691 ( talk) 21:27, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
The Athabascan languages were traditionally spoken over a huge area in Canada and Alaska. We need to illustrate this. The current picture, which only shows the southern N. America areas, is woefully inadequate. Can anyone come up with something? — Nowhither 22:51, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Is Proto-Athabaskan really reconstructed as having two vowels? Campbell 1997 says that Krauss and Golla 1981, Krauss 1979, and Cook and Rice 1989 reconstruct i, u, e ([æ]), a ([ɔ]), and "reduced vowels" α, ə, and ʊ. -- Whimemsz 02:02, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Having no dictionary of Athabascan languages (nor any other Na-Dene tongues), I cannot do this myself. But could someone possibly make a list of basic vocabulary items (Dolgopolski's 15-, Yakhontov's 35-, Swadesh's 100- or 200-word list) or, at least, give me some information on where I could find an on-line dictionary of any Athabascan language? Thank you very much in advance.
--Pet'usek 12:40, 18 March 2006 (UTC) (Czech Republic)
There should be a brief mention of the (Athabaskan+Eyak), ((Athabaskan+Eyak)+Tlingit), as well as of the controversial ((Athabaskan+Eyak)+Tlingit)(+Haida) link, I think. Let me add a To-Do list to the talk page - anyone can expand the list or remove individual items. -- Pe t 'usek petrdothrubisatgmaildotcom 09:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
The intro gives the impression that Athabaskan can also refer to a group of indigenous peoples of America. Perhaps the peoples should be split from this page on linguistics? Saimdusan Talk| Contribs 08:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
The numbering/hierarchy in a family tree outline needs to be consistent. The numbering as it is is confusing and thus makes the relationships and hierarchy not very clear. Azalea pomp ( talk) 19:04, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
When was the idea first proposed that Athabaskan/Na-Dene was a more recent migration to America than other families? Was it Greenberg, or did he adopt a preexisting view? kwami ( talk) 21:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Edward Sapir said it in something like 1921, and many others said it before Greenberg did. See: http://ia311202.us.archive.org/1/items/collectedworksof06sapi/collectedworksof06sapi.pdf (that's a large pdf file) Nosliw1 ( talk) 17:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I suspect that Kari 1989 refers to: Kari, James. 1989. Affix Positions and Zones in the Athabaskan Verb Complex: Ahtna and Navajo. International Journal of American Linguistics 55:424-455
I have no idea what "Kari 2009" refers to though. Does anyone know? Nosliw1 ( talk) 17:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
The page of Kwalhioqua–Tlatskanai language (or Kwalhioqua–Clatskanie) created on the North Frisian wikipedia: frr:Kwalhioqua–Tlatskanai spriak. The page has only on the frr Wikipedia -- Kmoksy ( talk) 02:58, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
"The Athabaskan family is the second largest family in North America in terms of number of languages and the number of speakers..." I read this to mean that there are more Athabaskan speakers than English speakers in North America. Surely that is not correct. 66.67.24.71 ( talk) 09:14, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Should the Siletz be mentioned? c.f. http://siletz.swarthmore.edu/?q=talking&fields=all&semantic_ids= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.125.10.243 ( talk) 05:36, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The new page for Alaskan Athabascans (a part of Athabascan peoples) in the Turkish Wikipedia ( tr:Alaska Atabaskları) created. -- Kmoksy ( talk) 21:03, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Disappointed there is no mention of possible Athabaskan ~ Basque kinship. A web search of the question 'Basque language ≈ Athabascan?' yields many references. When I first heard about the theory, I got a Basque-English dictionary. The word 'dene' ~ 'people' was listed and 'atha' ~ 'away.' So, this seems to suggest that Athabascan = Away-Basques, which would make a lot of sense. Of course, their genome would have picked up new elements from Yenisei tribes and others. hgwb ( talk) 07:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
If the Northern group varies about as much as the entire family, how valid is the subgrouping as presented? -- JorisvS ( talk) 20:53, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
The article lists Chilcotin and Nicola as Athapaskan languages of Washington. As far as I know Chilcotin is restricted to BC, and Nicola is a Salishan group (and not a language - though an Athapaskan migrant group did reside with them at one point, long since vanished or assimilated). Is there something here I am missing? 70.75.233.253 ( talk) 07:32, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
A question: "Ata baskan" means "father president" in Turkish, furthermore "ATHABASKAN BRAINSTEM DYSGENESIS SYNDROME" exists in Atabaskans and Turkish people. [1] Did anybody think this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bilgin adem ( talk • contribs) 21:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
This article is confusing because it uses the Na-Dene languages distribution < /info/en/?search=File:Na-Dene_langs.png> for a map. What's the Athabaskan distribution, though? -- Makkachin ( talk) 13:16, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
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This is largely a directory page for component sublanguages/groups, many of which are not yet listed here or in the languages/cultures below; has good discussion of the language group's history/technical matters; but again more lay content is, I think, advisable --
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I made this post because one of the statements on the page seems rather strange:
As a crude approximation, the differences between Athabaskan languages may be compared to differences between Indo-European languages. Thus, Koyukon and Dena'ina are about as different as French and Spanish, while Koyukon and Gwich'in are as different as English and Italian.
This last sentence does not seems very believable, especially since the whole Athasbaskan family is as old as the Germanic branch, maybe it was more about lexicon but the way it's stated seems like it's more of a reference to genetic distance.
I know there's a citation so I searched a little & I found this :
http://www.alaskool.org/language/Athabaskan/Athabas_Prelim.htm
It seems to be all of the book & as you can see there's no mention of a comparison between to two families, as such I don't think this statement should stay on the page...
(I apologize in advance if this is not how I should open a new section, I'm a beginner (as an active user) and I'm not very familiar with the advanced functions of the site)
Rafaël Calado ( talk) 05:24, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
"The differences between Alaskan Athabaskan languages can be compared readily with the degrees of difference between European languages. Koyukon and Tanana, for example, might be said to be as different as French and Spanish, while Koyukon and Kutchin might be as different as English and Italian."It's rather bold and illicit to extrapolate from "Alaskan Athabaskan" to "Athabaskan", and from "European" to "Indo-European", and since the article is about the Athabaskan languages in toto, I will just remove the statement. But the linked text is useful, so I will add in a further reading section. – Austronesier ( talk) 16:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Rafaël Calado ( talk) 17:10, 2 July 2020 (UTC)