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I think the Atakapa contributed heavily to the modern foundation of Zydeco music, I'll put this information in when I confirm it.-- 68.14.108.243 21:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Gatschet and Swanton documented people in Southeastern Texas and Southwestern Louisiana in the 1880s through the first decade or so of the twentieth century who could speak the Atakapa language. So is it appropriate to say that they were "decimated" in the 1850s?
Interesting link which might be useful for future expansion [1]. Heironymous Rowe ( talk) 03:46, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Article is sourced but contradicts TSHA Handbook of Texas article, which suggests it was the Karankawa on Galveston Island who succored and enslaved the Spaniard. I'm thinking the HoT is better researched, documented, and sourced here, but perhaps they are wrong: any more sources to corroborate that it was the Attacapa? - LlywelynII ( talk) 19:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
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Given that the tribe's internal name is Ishak, it seems that should be the title of the article. There is at least one article online that lists it that way, and it is from the 64 Parishes Encyclopedia, published by the Louisiana Endowment for the humanities. I've put a link to it in the links section. Hoktiwe ( talk) 19:58, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Given that there are multiple organized groups, there is no need to have the tribe listed as extinct. I note also that almost all references in the article are rather dated, regardless of topic. There have been several more recent academic publications about the group in university press books and peer-reviewed journals that are missing. There is no discussion of complications of African-Native American identity, no references to the vast literature on that topic, no citations of the many recent sources about the language, and even some of the images are mislabeled. In short, this article has multiple issues.
Hoktiwe ( talk) 20:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes, countless groups identify as being descendants of historic tribes. The Atakapa Ishak Nation has its own page. If other contemporary Atakapa heritage groups are notable, we can make articles for them as well. Native American tribe involved political power, continuity, and validation of claims by others outside the group itself. There is discussion of African-Native American identity at Black Indians in the United States. A common misconception that having African ancestry bars groups from federal recognition; however, Shinnecock, the two Wampanoag tribes, Pequot, Moncan, Narragansett, Muscogee, Seminole, and many more recognized tribes have substantial African ancestry. Yuchitown ( talk) 20:44, 26 July 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown
User:MiniYaCh made an undiscussed move from the stable, wp:commonname of Atakapa to Atakapa-Ishak. This should have been proposed and discussed since its not a technical move. The Atakapa Ishak Nation has its own separate article. Yuchitown ( talk) 17:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Evidence provided by Yuchitown supports the position that the current name is the WP:COMMONNAME. This is further supported by the notion that despite any past possibly derogatory connotations, the "communities now use and identify with the term", as indicated by the nominator. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 16:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Atakapa → Atakapa-Ishak – The people are referred to as the Atakapa, the Ishak, and the Atakapa-Ishak. Referring to them as simply Atakapa or Ishak doesn't make since in that context. As well, they are referred to Atakapa-Ishak by media sources ( https://www.texasobserver.org/mapping-indigenous-communities-of-texas-atakapa-ishak/, https://64parishes.org/keyword/atakapa-ishak-nation) and by the major tribal organization ( https://www.atakapa-ishaknationofswla.org/); MiniYaChi ( talk) 21:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). MiniYaChi ( talk) 04:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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I think the Atakapa contributed heavily to the modern foundation of Zydeco music, I'll put this information in when I confirm it.-- 68.14.108.243 21:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Gatschet and Swanton documented people in Southeastern Texas and Southwestern Louisiana in the 1880s through the first decade or so of the twentieth century who could speak the Atakapa language. So is it appropriate to say that they were "decimated" in the 1850s?
Interesting link which might be useful for future expansion [1]. Heironymous Rowe ( talk) 03:46, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Article is sourced but contradicts TSHA Handbook of Texas article, which suggests it was the Karankawa on Galveston Island who succored and enslaved the Spaniard. I'm thinking the HoT is better researched, documented, and sourced here, but perhaps they are wrong: any more sources to corroborate that it was the Attacapa? - LlywelynII ( talk) 19:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
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Given that the tribe's internal name is Ishak, it seems that should be the title of the article. There is at least one article online that lists it that way, and it is from the 64 Parishes Encyclopedia, published by the Louisiana Endowment for the humanities. I've put a link to it in the links section. Hoktiwe ( talk) 19:58, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Given that there are multiple organized groups, there is no need to have the tribe listed as extinct. I note also that almost all references in the article are rather dated, regardless of topic. There have been several more recent academic publications about the group in university press books and peer-reviewed journals that are missing. There is no discussion of complications of African-Native American identity, no references to the vast literature on that topic, no citations of the many recent sources about the language, and even some of the images are mislabeled. In short, this article has multiple issues.
Hoktiwe ( talk) 20:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes, countless groups identify as being descendants of historic tribes. The Atakapa Ishak Nation has its own page. If other contemporary Atakapa heritage groups are notable, we can make articles for them as well. Native American tribe involved political power, continuity, and validation of claims by others outside the group itself. There is discussion of African-Native American identity at Black Indians in the United States. A common misconception that having African ancestry bars groups from federal recognition; however, Shinnecock, the two Wampanoag tribes, Pequot, Moncan, Narragansett, Muscogee, Seminole, and many more recognized tribes have substantial African ancestry. Yuchitown ( talk) 20:44, 26 July 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown
User:MiniYaCh made an undiscussed move from the stable, wp:commonname of Atakapa to Atakapa-Ishak. This should have been proposed and discussed since its not a technical move. The Atakapa Ishak Nation has its own separate article. Yuchitown ( talk) 17:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Evidence provided by Yuchitown supports the position that the current name is the WP:COMMONNAME. This is further supported by the notion that despite any past possibly derogatory connotations, the "communities now use and identify with the term", as indicated by the nominator. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 16:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Atakapa → Atakapa-Ishak – The people are referred to as the Atakapa, the Ishak, and the Atakapa-Ishak. Referring to them as simply Atakapa or Ishak doesn't make since in that context. As well, they are referred to Atakapa-Ishak by media sources ( https://www.texasobserver.org/mapping-indigenous-communities-of-texas-atakapa-ishak/, https://64parishes.org/keyword/atakapa-ishak-nation) and by the major tribal organization ( https://www.atakapa-ishaknationofswla.org/); MiniYaChi ( talk) 21:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). MiniYaChi ( talk) 04:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)