![]() | This ![]() It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Listening to his music I think there is a strong similarity to serial music, which could be important in the assesment in relation to contemporary classical music since serial music is a rather important current in contemporary classical music. Of course, the similarity probably stems from Tango as a genre. I am not a music critique myself, even on an amateur level, so I only note it here and won't edit. Maxigas ( talk) 02:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I archived comments here to Archive1, everything before 2007. Two items had no title, which I have given (according to a swift survey of the contents) and categorised according to first post date; feel free to change title or position if you should think I was in error in doing so.
Furthermore, I'm thinking of 1. either merging Musical Style and Musical Career, by implementing all biography details in Biography and musical style details in Musical Style, 2. or somehow keep current situation but at least creating some chronologic ánd stilistic overview of Piazzolla's achievements. It might be interesting to have a clear view on how Piazzolla evolved stylistically + qua players (from Quartet to Quintet, which instrumentalists etc). Few people know how to place stuff like his operita, his fusion period with his sun, when Ziegler introduced his modern classical piano style etc etc. I'm thinking of something, anyone who has ideas, please help.
thedarkestclear
Talk 15:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
In regard to creating a discography, I suppose it's especially interesting to create a list of recordings that were issued with Piazzolla's consent. I mean, not the numerous issues of live concerts (unless official lives) or (re)collections. For example, Tango: Zero Hour, albeit itself a collection of various recording sessions, is an issue on Piazzolla's behalf. Furthermore, Sur is a film, which could be pointed out. How about his opera... The purpose of this discography section should be to shed a light on Piazzolla's consent in his own discography, anyone who could is highly accepted.
thedarkestclear
Talk 17:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to file an official request but I think someone should definitely create pages for some of his albums, especially Nuevo Tango, which I consider to be groundbreaking. It was featured in the book, 1001 Albums You Must Here Before Your Die, which I think would be qualification enough to warrant a wiki article. It'd be nice if someone could do this. 70.48.249.62 ( talk) 03:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
The article says Piazzolla was born in 1921, and that "At the age of 15, he met Carlos Gardel...", which would be 1936. However, Gardel died in 1935.
The site [ Todo Tango] has the following to say:
¿Cuándo se produce la primera incursión del joven Piazzolla en el tango? En el año 1934 llega Carlos Gardel a New York, contratado para filmar la película "El día que me quieras" y por esas cosas del destino conoce a un joven de 13 años llamado Astor que era argentino y además tocaba el bandoneón.
So, Piazzolla met Gardel at age 13 (1934).
Steve Fishboy 02:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Commented 4 links - No inidcation uploaders have links with the subject of article, thier agents or recording label etc. In additon some of the clips seem to be TV footage.
How long do Argentine copyright terms last BTW? ( Would I be right in assuming author+70 as that seems to be the de-facto standard in Europe?) Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 16:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
His first wife and children should be mentioned (his son played keyboard with Piazzolla and his daughter wrote a biography of him). Badagnani ( talk) 23:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
It should be added when he formed his Quintet, and who the musicians are. Badagnani ( talk) 18:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Substantial parts of this article have been copied from
here. The
Wayback machine record shows it to have been written in about 2002, when this article was a stub. Does any editor with knowledge of the subject wish to substitute with original material? I can only delete the copied material with nothing to replace it.
--
Old Moonraker (
talk) 12:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I have reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. You can find my detailed review on the comments page. The article is B-class, but needs a lot of work. If you have questions or comments, feel to leave them here or on my talk page. Magic ♪piano 14:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
The correct spelling of Astor Piazzolla does not have a tilda over the first A. The Spanish language version of this wikipedia page does not use the tilda, neither does Todotango.com in their Astor Piazzolla article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.5.28 ( talk) 18:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Astor doesn't have an accent because it's an English name. -- Chvsanchez ( talk) 02:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
El asunto de si el nombre correcto era "Astor" o "Ástor" se había tratado hace un tiempo. Como se puede ver en la discusión de Mushii y la discusión de Axxgreazz, se adoptó "Astor" por ser el nombre más utilizado en Internet, además de ser el nombre oficial adoptado por la hija de Piazzolla en su biografía. En una nota personal, ya que para el momento en que se dió el debate yo no había puesto mis manos en el artículo, "Ástor" es una castellanización del nombre original en italiano "Astor" que al escribirlo no lleva tilde, pero al pronunciarlo sí. Algo similar ocurre con Ernesto Sabato, cuyo apellido por partida de nacimiento es sin tilde, pero al castellanizarlo se le coloca el acento.( [1]) En caso de que alguien quiera reabrir el debate o tenga un texto que aclare más este asunto y que le de más importancia a "Ástor", se puede tratar el tema aquí. -- KveD ( discusión) 20px 23:43 11 mar 2008 (UTC)
¿Acaso no prohíbe la legislación argentina el uso de nombres en lengua extranjera? Es más, según mi información, solo se pueden escoger nombres de un listado, salvo que lo haya llevado un antepasado, pero en este caso debe estar correctamente castellanizado. Además, no debemos olvidar que con anterioridad a la era de la computación, los acentos sobre las mayúsculas rara vez se colocaban, por la dificultad técnica que ello significaba. Los apellidos tienen una regla diferente, pues allí se debe respetar la ortografía extranjera (por eso Sabato no lleva acento). En consecuencia, recomiendo trasladarlo a Ástor.— Hlnodovic ( discusión) 21:55 12 jun 2011 (UTC)
"Among his followers, his own protégé Marcelo Nisinman is the best known innovator of the tango music of the new millennium"
Is this a fact? I absolutely disagree with this, but if the community think this is a fact, I think it should at least quote some reference.
fercha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.16.164.101 ( talk) 14:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on Astor Piazzolla. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 08:24, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
There are a whole lot of external links to different performances of Piazzolla's pieces. Are they all important enough to be included? I'm not sure on the policy on this sort of thing, so was wondering what y'all thought. Margalob ( talk) 00:02, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
The redirect
Ástor Piazzolla has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 13 § Ástor Piazzolla until a consensus is reached.
Bgsu98
(Talk) 20:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
![]() | This ![]() It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Listening to his music I think there is a strong similarity to serial music, which could be important in the assesment in relation to contemporary classical music since serial music is a rather important current in contemporary classical music. Of course, the similarity probably stems from Tango as a genre. I am not a music critique myself, even on an amateur level, so I only note it here and won't edit. Maxigas ( talk) 02:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I archived comments here to Archive1, everything before 2007. Two items had no title, which I have given (according to a swift survey of the contents) and categorised according to first post date; feel free to change title or position if you should think I was in error in doing so.
Furthermore, I'm thinking of 1. either merging Musical Style and Musical Career, by implementing all biography details in Biography and musical style details in Musical Style, 2. or somehow keep current situation but at least creating some chronologic ánd stilistic overview of Piazzolla's achievements. It might be interesting to have a clear view on how Piazzolla evolved stylistically + qua players (from Quartet to Quintet, which instrumentalists etc). Few people know how to place stuff like his operita, his fusion period with his sun, when Ziegler introduced his modern classical piano style etc etc. I'm thinking of something, anyone who has ideas, please help.
thedarkestclear
Talk 15:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
In regard to creating a discography, I suppose it's especially interesting to create a list of recordings that were issued with Piazzolla's consent. I mean, not the numerous issues of live concerts (unless official lives) or (re)collections. For example, Tango: Zero Hour, albeit itself a collection of various recording sessions, is an issue on Piazzolla's behalf. Furthermore, Sur is a film, which could be pointed out. How about his opera... The purpose of this discography section should be to shed a light on Piazzolla's consent in his own discography, anyone who could is highly accepted.
thedarkestclear
Talk 17:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to file an official request but I think someone should definitely create pages for some of his albums, especially Nuevo Tango, which I consider to be groundbreaking. It was featured in the book, 1001 Albums You Must Here Before Your Die, which I think would be qualification enough to warrant a wiki article. It'd be nice if someone could do this. 70.48.249.62 ( talk) 03:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
The article says Piazzolla was born in 1921, and that "At the age of 15, he met Carlos Gardel...", which would be 1936. However, Gardel died in 1935.
The site [ Todo Tango] has the following to say:
¿Cuándo se produce la primera incursión del joven Piazzolla en el tango? En el año 1934 llega Carlos Gardel a New York, contratado para filmar la película "El día que me quieras" y por esas cosas del destino conoce a un joven de 13 años llamado Astor que era argentino y además tocaba el bandoneón.
So, Piazzolla met Gardel at age 13 (1934).
Steve Fishboy 02:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Commented 4 links - No inidcation uploaders have links with the subject of article, thier agents or recording label etc. In additon some of the clips seem to be TV footage.
How long do Argentine copyright terms last BTW? ( Would I be right in assuming author+70 as that seems to be the de-facto standard in Europe?) Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 16:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
His first wife and children should be mentioned (his son played keyboard with Piazzolla and his daughter wrote a biography of him). Badagnani ( talk) 23:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
It should be added when he formed his Quintet, and who the musicians are. Badagnani ( talk) 18:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Substantial parts of this article have been copied from
here. The
Wayback machine record shows it to have been written in about 2002, when this article was a stub. Does any editor with knowledge of the subject wish to substitute with original material? I can only delete the copied material with nothing to replace it.
--
Old Moonraker (
talk) 12:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I have reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. You can find my detailed review on the comments page. The article is B-class, but needs a lot of work. If you have questions or comments, feel to leave them here or on my talk page. Magic ♪piano 14:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
The correct spelling of Astor Piazzolla does not have a tilda over the first A. The Spanish language version of this wikipedia page does not use the tilda, neither does Todotango.com in their Astor Piazzolla article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.5.28 ( talk) 18:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Astor doesn't have an accent because it's an English name. -- Chvsanchez ( talk) 02:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
El asunto de si el nombre correcto era "Astor" o "Ástor" se había tratado hace un tiempo. Como se puede ver en la discusión de Mushii y la discusión de Axxgreazz, se adoptó "Astor" por ser el nombre más utilizado en Internet, además de ser el nombre oficial adoptado por la hija de Piazzolla en su biografía. En una nota personal, ya que para el momento en que se dió el debate yo no había puesto mis manos en el artículo, "Ástor" es una castellanización del nombre original en italiano "Astor" que al escribirlo no lleva tilde, pero al pronunciarlo sí. Algo similar ocurre con Ernesto Sabato, cuyo apellido por partida de nacimiento es sin tilde, pero al castellanizarlo se le coloca el acento.( [1]) En caso de que alguien quiera reabrir el debate o tenga un texto que aclare más este asunto y que le de más importancia a "Ástor", se puede tratar el tema aquí. -- KveD ( discusión) 20px 23:43 11 mar 2008 (UTC)
¿Acaso no prohíbe la legislación argentina el uso de nombres en lengua extranjera? Es más, según mi información, solo se pueden escoger nombres de un listado, salvo que lo haya llevado un antepasado, pero en este caso debe estar correctamente castellanizado. Además, no debemos olvidar que con anterioridad a la era de la computación, los acentos sobre las mayúsculas rara vez se colocaban, por la dificultad técnica que ello significaba. Los apellidos tienen una regla diferente, pues allí se debe respetar la ortografía extranjera (por eso Sabato no lleva acento). En consecuencia, recomiendo trasladarlo a Ástor.— Hlnodovic ( discusión) 21:55 12 jun 2011 (UTC)
"Among his followers, his own protégé Marcelo Nisinman is the best known innovator of the tango music of the new millennium"
Is this a fact? I absolutely disagree with this, but if the community think this is a fact, I think it should at least quote some reference.
fercha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.16.164.101 ( talk) 14:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on Astor Piazzolla. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 08:24, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
There are a whole lot of external links to different performances of Piazzolla's pieces. Are they all important enough to be included? I'm not sure on the policy on this sort of thing, so was wondering what y'all thought. Margalob ( talk) 00:02, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
The redirect
Ástor Piazzolla has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 13 § Ástor Piazzolla until a consensus is reached.
Bgsu98
(Talk) 20:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)