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Since Astana is the more used name in English (sources: Google Scholar, Google Trends) - The article's name should be reverted to Astana. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 07:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
โThe arguments in favor of the proposal aren't based in policy while the opposes are.โ This is how the discussion about the Requested move of the article Allahabad to Prayagraj was decided, meaning because there is mich evidence that the name Allahabad still is being more often used in English language, the article's name on Wikipedia in accordance to the Wikipedia naming conventions should stay the old one, other arguments being not of enough interest.
Therefore this has to applied here as well.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 16:35, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED. Pointy disruption; see this discussion. This closure is not intended to create prejudice against any properly justified RM, in future. TrangaBellam ( talk) 20:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC) TrangaBellam ( talk) 20:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
Nur-Sultan โ Astana โ โThe arguments in favor of the proposal aren't based in policy while the opposes are.โ This is how the discussion about the Requested move of the article Allahabad to Prayagraj was decided a few days ago, meaning because there is much evidence that the name Allahabad still is being more often used in English language, the article's name on Wikipedia in accordance to the Wikipedia naming conventions should stay the old one, other arguments being not of enough interest.
Therefore this has to applied here as well, since Astana is the more used term in English sources. On the basis Google Scholar and Google Trends among others Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 17:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC) Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 17:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: ( non-admin closure) NOT MOVED User:ๅ (power~enwiki, ฯ, ฮฝ) 04:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Speculation about possible future name-changes of the city is speculation, and is disregarded. Other comments demonstrate consensus against this move proposal. User:ๅ (power~enwiki, ฯ, ฮฝ) 04:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Nur-Sultan โ Astana โ Astana is the more widely used Name in the English language Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 18:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC) Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 18:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC) โย Relisting.ย Vpab15 ( talk) 20:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Either this was speedy closed because of a formality because I compared the Allahabad discussion with this Nur-Sultan discussion, and this wouldnt be the "right reason".. or this was speedy closed wrongfully.
Here is your evidence:
In English in comparison almost nobody writes Nur-Sultan
You can use any Kind of source, Google Trends, Google Scholar, but Google Books Ngram Viewer is more reliable than other sources.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 08:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
An exclusionary search using Google Scholar by year (as of 10 Oct 2021) | ||||||
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Date range | Both A and N-S | Astana only |
Nur-Sultan only |
% both | % A only | % N-S only |
2020 | 1,760 | 6,450 | 3,800 | 14.7% | 53.7% | 31.6% |
2021 | 1,070 | 3,590 | 2,810 | 14.3% | 48.1% | 37.6% |
Well, this was what dear User Toddy1 wrote on my talk page.
To be honest, this right now seems to be higher mathemtics to me, I wasnt able to check the numbers on Google Scholar back.
But as he writes, the numbers stem from searching Nur Sultan with and without the hyphen, but still, if taken together,the numbers for Nur-Sultan and Nur Sultan (hopefully not including the namegiving Kazakhian politician, this has to be checked as well) the results in 2021 for Nur-Sultan alone remain more than 10 percent or more than 700 entries lower than for Astana only, in 2020 it was over 2000 more entries / 20ย % higher, so
that it is obvious, that the name Astana still is more common on Google Scholar.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 19:02, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
The name Astana is still used preferrably in:
Astana Open (Tennis tournament) Astana Opera (building) FC Astana (Football Team) Astana Tigers (Basketball) Astana Presidential Forum Astana International Finance Centre
among many others (these are only the big ones)
Another question: Does anyone believe, this christened after a still alive president name, will endure much long after this presidents death?
Look at the recent history and you know that renamed cities after political Leaders will be renamed again.
It only needs political people in Power of the government, who don't accept the Status Quo and want to give it yet another Name, how it Has happened for a long time.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 22:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
As of January 6th, 2022 Nur-Sultan has reverted to Astana per the new government.โย Preceding unsigned comment added by Delcorpo00 ( talk โข contribs) 01:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
A step as foreseeable as snow in the winter - renamings of cities after politicians is a very short-lived story, but English Wikipedia didn't know this yet..
Plus - as evidence was already shown, Astana is still the common name in English Media and other sources.
Pro move to Astana - Rename the article quickly. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 09:06, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
@ 162 etc.: Well, I suggest you start reading, maybe then you wouldn't write such a bucket of ****
1. Everyone can suggest a topic ban, I can suggest you for a topic ban.
if the topic ban wasn't carried out, it seems obvious, that this shouldn't even me mentioned to everyone who thinks clearly.
2. Astana always stayed the common name, the "community" of which you talk, were a couple of people, who don't always pull the right decisions, right? Other Wikipedianers like not only myself tried to correct the wrong, with evidence. The evidence wasn't accepted by some people, who are NOT THE SO-CALLED community.
3. Right now is a new situation. Even the official name was changed, the new leader, naming Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, is in strong opposition to Nursultan Nazarbayev, how long do you think the city will still be called "Nur sultan" well..in fact it is not called "Nursultan" anymore, as Delcorpo00 wrote.
So not even that. In English sources city has never been called Nursultan by the majority
And now it is not even the official name any longer.
If English Wikipedia now sticks to the name Nursultan, it is just being stupid..
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 05:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
News sources parrot one another, just because News sources use "Nur- Sultan" doesn't make it widely used in the English language. I don't know if an assessment of word usage based on submitted research papers, periodicals, and any other written, published work widely available and searchable on the internet. More importantly, the cities official name in Kazak documents and state functions has reverted to Astana. Name another city that was named by the person in power that outlived them, and still is in effect. Stalingrad anyone? Nicholas V.I. DelCorpo ( talk) 05:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC) (The above comment is moved from Special:Diff/1065174899 section titled "Requested move 9 October 2021" which is closed for further comments โ DaxServer ( talk) 09:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC))
a lot of the article reads like an advertisement, complete with lack of sources and over-detailed descriptions of the cities services and facilties. this would need the attention of someone more versed in writing city articles. 46.15.169.229 ( talk) 17:02, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
The article was already moved back to Astana, but on what basis? Tokayev approved a proposal for the name change but there is still a process for this name change to happen, so the city is still known as Nur-Sultan. [2] Mellk ( talk) 02:47, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Kristianmusic, you seem to be in dispute with Kazman322 about whether to include Bozok as an alternative name for the current city of Astana--based on the current article text, it seems like it was a prior settlement in a similar location, but not literally the same city. What sources inform your understanding that it is in fact an alternative name for the same city? signed, Rosguill talk 14:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
This has already been clarified on the Russian Wikipedia, but the user Kristianmusic still wants to promote his point of view in other parts of the wiki. Kazman322 ( talk) 15:04, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi, As far as I can see from Astana Akimat's social media accounts, the Astana coat of arms is now used as ASTANA written in Latin letters. In fact, it is written as "ASTANA" in the law named " On the definition and order of use of the symbols of Astana, the capital of the Republic of Kazakhstan". However, the user named @ 216.94.43.6 is constantly undoing the change. Now I think it's an ulterior motive. Kurmanbek ( talk) 18:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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An absolutely semi arid and not continental climate. From a person who have been to the city, and knows continental climate cities ืืืื ืืืื ( talk) 23:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Also, the city sits in the steppe region. another confirmation that itโs part of the cold semi arid and not continental climate
ืืืื ืืืื ( talk) 00:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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Since Astana is the more used name in English (sources: Google Scholar, Google Trends) - The article's name should be reverted to Astana. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 07:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
โThe arguments in favor of the proposal aren't based in policy while the opposes are.โ This is how the discussion about the Requested move of the article Allahabad to Prayagraj was decided, meaning because there is mich evidence that the name Allahabad still is being more often used in English language, the article's name on Wikipedia in accordance to the Wikipedia naming conventions should stay the old one, other arguments being not of enough interest.
Therefore this has to applied here as well.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 16:35, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED. Pointy disruption; see this discussion. This closure is not intended to create prejudice against any properly justified RM, in future. TrangaBellam ( talk) 20:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC) TrangaBellam ( talk) 20:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
Nur-Sultan โ Astana โ โThe arguments in favor of the proposal aren't based in policy while the opposes are.โ This is how the discussion about the Requested move of the article Allahabad to Prayagraj was decided a few days ago, meaning because there is much evidence that the name Allahabad still is being more often used in English language, the article's name on Wikipedia in accordance to the Wikipedia naming conventions should stay the old one, other arguments being not of enough interest.
Therefore this has to applied here as well, since Astana is the more used term in English sources. On the basis Google Scholar and Google Trends among others Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 17:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC) Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 17:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
![]() | This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 3 November 2021. The result of the move review was Endorsed. |
The result of the move request was: ( non-admin closure) NOT MOVED User:ๅ (power~enwiki, ฯ, ฮฝ) 04:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Speculation about possible future name-changes of the city is speculation, and is disregarded. Other comments demonstrate consensus against this move proposal. User:ๅ (power~enwiki, ฯ, ฮฝ) 04:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Nur-Sultan โ Astana โ Astana is the more widely used Name in the English language Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 18:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC) Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 18:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC) โย Relisting.ย Vpab15 ( talk) 20:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Either this was speedy closed because of a formality because I compared the Allahabad discussion with this Nur-Sultan discussion, and this wouldnt be the "right reason".. or this was speedy closed wrongfully.
Here is your evidence:
In English in comparison almost nobody writes Nur-Sultan
You can use any Kind of source, Google Trends, Google Scholar, but Google Books Ngram Viewer is more reliable than other sources.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 08:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
An exclusionary search using Google Scholar by year (as of 10 Oct 2021) | ||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Date range | Both A and N-S | Astana only |
Nur-Sultan only |
% both | % A only | % N-S only |
2020 | 1,760 | 6,450 | 3,800 | 14.7% | 53.7% | 31.6% |
2021 | 1,070 | 3,590 | 2,810 | 14.3% | 48.1% | 37.6% |
Well, this was what dear User Toddy1 wrote on my talk page.
To be honest, this right now seems to be higher mathemtics to me, I wasnt able to check the numbers on Google Scholar back.
But as he writes, the numbers stem from searching Nur Sultan with and without the hyphen, but still, if taken together,the numbers for Nur-Sultan and Nur Sultan (hopefully not including the namegiving Kazakhian politician, this has to be checked as well) the results in 2021 for Nur-Sultan alone remain more than 10 percent or more than 700 entries lower than for Astana only, in 2020 it was over 2000 more entries / 20ย % higher, so
that it is obvious, that the name Astana still is more common on Google Scholar.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 19:02, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
The name Astana is still used preferrably in:
Astana Open (Tennis tournament) Astana Opera (building) FC Astana (Football Team) Astana Tigers (Basketball) Astana Presidential Forum Astana International Finance Centre
among many others (these are only the big ones)
Another question: Does anyone believe, this christened after a still alive president name, will endure much long after this presidents death?
Look at the recent history and you know that renamed cities after political Leaders will be renamed again.
It only needs political people in Power of the government, who don't accept the Status Quo and want to give it yet another Name, how it Has happened for a long time.
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 22:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
As of January 6th, 2022 Nur-Sultan has reverted to Astana per the new government.โย Preceding unsigned comment added by Delcorpo00 ( talk โข contribs) 01:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
A step as foreseeable as snow in the winter - renamings of cities after politicians is a very short-lived story, but English Wikipedia didn't know this yet..
Plus - as evidence was already shown, Astana is still the common name in English Media and other sources.
Pro move to Astana - Rename the article quickly. Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 09:06, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
@ 162 etc.: Well, I suggest you start reading, maybe then you wouldn't write such a bucket of ****
1. Everyone can suggest a topic ban, I can suggest you for a topic ban.
if the topic ban wasn't carried out, it seems obvious, that this shouldn't even me mentioned to everyone who thinks clearly.
2. Astana always stayed the common name, the "community" of which you talk, were a couple of people, who don't always pull the right decisions, right? Other Wikipedianers like not only myself tried to correct the wrong, with evidence. The evidence wasn't accepted by some people, who are NOT THE SO-CALLED community.
3. Right now is a new situation. Even the official name was changed, the new leader, naming Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, is in strong opposition to Nursultan Nazarbayev, how long do you think the city will still be called "Nur sultan" well..in fact it is not called "Nursultan" anymore, as Delcorpo00 wrote.
So not even that. In English sources city has never been called Nursultan by the majority
And now it is not even the official name any longer.
If English Wikipedia now sticks to the name Nursultan, it is just being stupid..
-- Tecumseh*1301 ( talk) 05:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
News sources parrot one another, just because News sources use "Nur- Sultan" doesn't make it widely used in the English language. I don't know if an assessment of word usage based on submitted research papers, periodicals, and any other written, published work widely available and searchable on the internet. More importantly, the cities official name in Kazak documents and state functions has reverted to Astana. Name another city that was named by the person in power that outlived them, and still is in effect. Stalingrad anyone? Nicholas V.I. DelCorpo ( talk) 05:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC) (The above comment is moved from Special:Diff/1065174899 section titled "Requested move 9 October 2021" which is closed for further comments โ DaxServer ( talk) 09:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC))
a lot of the article reads like an advertisement, complete with lack of sources and over-detailed descriptions of the cities services and facilties. this would need the attention of someone more versed in writing city articles. 46.15.169.229 ( talk) 17:02, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
The article was already moved back to Astana, but on what basis? Tokayev approved a proposal for the name change but there is still a process for this name change to happen, so the city is still known as Nur-Sultan. [2] Mellk ( talk) 02:47, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Kristianmusic, you seem to be in dispute with Kazman322 about whether to include Bozok as an alternative name for the current city of Astana--based on the current article text, it seems like it was a prior settlement in a similar location, but not literally the same city. What sources inform your understanding that it is in fact an alternative name for the same city? signed, Rosguill talk 14:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
This has already been clarified on the Russian Wikipedia, but the user Kristianmusic still wants to promote his point of view in other parts of the wiki. Kazman322 ( talk) 15:04, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi, As far as I can see from Astana Akimat's social media accounts, the Astana coat of arms is now used as ASTANA written in Latin letters. In fact, it is written as "ASTANA" in the law named " On the definition and order of use of the symbols of Astana, the capital of the Republic of Kazakhstan". However, the user named @ 216.94.43.6 is constantly undoing the change. Now I think it's an ulterior motive. Kurmanbek ( talk) 18:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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An absolutely semi arid and not continental climate. From a person who have been to the city, and knows continental climate cities ืืืื ืืืื ( talk) 23:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Also, the city sits in the steppe region. another confirmation that itโs part of the cold semi arid and not continental climate
ืืืื ืืืื ( talk) 00:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC)