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I fail to see the logic of having an article specifically about "Street Thunder". The page for the movie is hardly too big to handle this content. Cleduc 04:39, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I feel that the gang are quite a large part of the film, and quite different from antagonists in other films, and therefore justifying the separate page. Also, many films and books, described on wikipedia. have separate pages for their characters/entities (Eg Terminator franchise, T-1000, T-X, T-850; Alien, Weyland Yutami Corp). Anthony 23:20, 24 December 2005
I second Anthony's opinion. Sullenspice 01:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The way I see it, there are 3 voices here saying the article should be merged (me, Dan100, and Cleduc) and 3 saying that it shouldn't (Sullenspice, Timtak, and Anthony). Doesn't look like there's a consensus or "majority opinion" about anything to me. So, rather than get hostile, how about recognize the fact that a genuine disagreement exists? Now, let's talk about that disagreement. I've seen that in the past year, there has been no significant improvement to the Street Thunder page. There is also nothing in it beyond plot summary. There are no third-party reliable sources cited to show why the fictional gang has real-world relevance. As such, I see no reason why that article shouldn't be merged into this one. The articles about villains such as T-1000 exist because they have been shown to have real-world relevance and have been discussed in third-party reliable sources. Also, keep in mind that because anybody can create an article on Wikipedia, the mere existence of some articles doesn't automatically justify the existence of others. Also, note that the only actual article that links to Street Thunder is this one. (The other links to Street Thunder are a few talk pages and an AfD.) It's an orphaned article that can easily be merged into this one. So, let's merge it. That's what I say. -- Hnsampat ( talk) 03:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I just added a soundtrack section since I was surprised to find that there was no mention in this article of its score which is actually considered particularly influential. To be honest I was shocked to find that a film which has seperate articles for some of its characters and even the silent gang didn't mention its score which is considered by many to be its most prominent feature (and by some the only part of the film worth mentioning)! Anyway it's done now and I hope people are happy with it. -- Thetriangleguy 17:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Please leave the 1976 poster image at the top of the article. It is always preferable to use original movie art. In this particular case, the poster art better represents the movie. The DVD cover art, which is of much more recent date, depicts a New York skyline when the movie is actually set in Los Angeles.
There should be "DVD release" section in the article, and the DVD cover art could be placed there.
Sullenspice 15:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Reimelt 21:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Just to let you know the poster isn't the US theatrical poster, its actually the Australian, because it has the Australian R18+ rating near the title.
Article states that among the staff on board at the station are the station's two secretaries, Leigh and Julie. I always thought Leigh was a detective: she certainly seems to act like one, greeting Bishop on his arrival, expressing her failure to save the life of a murdered co-worker, unlocking the cells, arming her self with a shotgun while showing no unease (apart from her arm injury) at having to operate or load the weapon (she knows how to do it without being shown). Furthermore Bishop has no qualms about her being armed and attempting to shoot dead intruders: he would hardly allow a secretary to do that without any firearm instruction? Wells even calls her a cop and neither she nor Bishop correct him. If she was a mere secretary, her attraction to Wilson hardly carries the same sting that it does if you think of her as a detective. However, I have seen the film many times and it does not actually explicitly clarify what her job is. Format 03:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
There is no reason to alter any of the names in the cast list. The actors are listed in this article under the names they used in this film's credits. Nancy Kyes is credited as "Nancy Loomis" in AOP 13 (as she is in most of her film appearances). I created a "Nancy Loomis" redirect page last year, ergo the "Nancy Loomis" link on this page goes to the "Nancy Kyes" article. Changing it to "Nancy Kyes/Loomis" as 24.195.208.152 did is utterly nonsensical.
Sullenspice 03:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
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"break a blood-filled "cholo" on the precinct's front steps,"
This does not seem to make sense with the term linked to, and I don't know what it is supposed to be from the context, never haviing seen the movie. Please fix. Thanks. Ingolfson ( talk) 11:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
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Any suggestions?
Al Fecund ( talk) 22:40, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I saw this movie a long time ago, but I clearly remember that - for the scene in which the little girl was shot by Street Thunder's gangbanger - the camera view was located in the driver's section of the ice cream truck, enough for the viewer to see a massive bullet hole form in her chest. Upon the shooting, she lingered there for a second, then dropped the ice cream cone and fell to the ground. A re-release was done with that scene eliminated - no one needs to ask exactly why, but, it was done. In the re-release, they nixed the frontal camera angle completely and just showed the girl falling to the ground from a distance.
Can anyone corroborate this? I've been trying to find information on the intarwebs to back up my memory but . . . no such luck. 75.131.47.176 ( talk) 03:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
In Germany was the title "Assault - Anschlag bei Nacht", the title of the remake was "Das Ende – Assault on Precinct 13" -- 212.122.206.18 ( talk) 14:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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"Debra Hill acted as an uncredited assistant editor."
I'm looking at a print of the movie right now and she's credited for script supervision and assistant editing.
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The "Principal photography" section currently contains this sentence about the film's budget:
Assault started in November 1975 and was shot in only 20 days, including Thanksgiving, on a budget of $100,000. 'Footnote:' Variety incorrectly reported in 1977 that the film cost $200,000.
This figure is supported with three references (John Carpenter's audio commentary, Joseph Kaufman on the 2003 DVD's Production Gallery, and Muir's The Films of John Carpenter), plus the December 14, 1977 issue of Variety for the footnote.
I don't have that 2003 DVD to check the production gallery. But on Second Sight's 40th anniversary Blu-ray, there's an interview featurette with Joseph Kaufman ("Producing Precinct 13: An Interview with Executive Producer Joseph Kaufman"), in which he states that he recently looked at some old documents from the production, and found that the budget was actually closer to $200,000. He says that he thinks the $100,000 budget has been popularised via a "print the legend" situation. (Unfortunately I do not own my own copy of the BR, so can't transcribe the exact quote.)
So, it sounds like Kaufman gave different figures on the 2003 DVD and 2016 Blu-Ray. And the assertion in the footnote that "Variety incorrectly reported in 1977 that the film cost $200,000" might not not have been so incorrect after all! -- Nick R Talk 17:59, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
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I fail to see the logic of having an article specifically about "Street Thunder". The page for the movie is hardly too big to handle this content. Cleduc 04:39, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I feel that the gang are quite a large part of the film, and quite different from antagonists in other films, and therefore justifying the separate page. Also, many films and books, described on wikipedia. have separate pages for their characters/entities (Eg Terminator franchise, T-1000, T-X, T-850; Alien, Weyland Yutami Corp). Anthony 23:20, 24 December 2005
I second Anthony's opinion. Sullenspice 01:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The way I see it, there are 3 voices here saying the article should be merged (me, Dan100, and Cleduc) and 3 saying that it shouldn't (Sullenspice, Timtak, and Anthony). Doesn't look like there's a consensus or "majority opinion" about anything to me. So, rather than get hostile, how about recognize the fact that a genuine disagreement exists? Now, let's talk about that disagreement. I've seen that in the past year, there has been no significant improvement to the Street Thunder page. There is also nothing in it beyond plot summary. There are no third-party reliable sources cited to show why the fictional gang has real-world relevance. As such, I see no reason why that article shouldn't be merged into this one. The articles about villains such as T-1000 exist because they have been shown to have real-world relevance and have been discussed in third-party reliable sources. Also, keep in mind that because anybody can create an article on Wikipedia, the mere existence of some articles doesn't automatically justify the existence of others. Also, note that the only actual article that links to Street Thunder is this one. (The other links to Street Thunder are a few talk pages and an AfD.) It's an orphaned article that can easily be merged into this one. So, let's merge it. That's what I say. -- Hnsampat ( talk) 03:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I just added a soundtrack section since I was surprised to find that there was no mention in this article of its score which is actually considered particularly influential. To be honest I was shocked to find that a film which has seperate articles for some of its characters and even the silent gang didn't mention its score which is considered by many to be its most prominent feature (and by some the only part of the film worth mentioning)! Anyway it's done now and I hope people are happy with it. -- Thetriangleguy 17:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Please leave the 1976 poster image at the top of the article. It is always preferable to use original movie art. In this particular case, the poster art better represents the movie. The DVD cover art, which is of much more recent date, depicts a New York skyline when the movie is actually set in Los Angeles.
There should be "DVD release" section in the article, and the DVD cover art could be placed there.
Sullenspice 15:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Reimelt 21:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Just to let you know the poster isn't the US theatrical poster, its actually the Australian, because it has the Australian R18+ rating near the title.
Article states that among the staff on board at the station are the station's two secretaries, Leigh and Julie. I always thought Leigh was a detective: she certainly seems to act like one, greeting Bishop on his arrival, expressing her failure to save the life of a murdered co-worker, unlocking the cells, arming her self with a shotgun while showing no unease (apart from her arm injury) at having to operate or load the weapon (she knows how to do it without being shown). Furthermore Bishop has no qualms about her being armed and attempting to shoot dead intruders: he would hardly allow a secretary to do that without any firearm instruction? Wells even calls her a cop and neither she nor Bishop correct him. If she was a mere secretary, her attraction to Wilson hardly carries the same sting that it does if you think of her as a detective. However, I have seen the film many times and it does not actually explicitly clarify what her job is. Format 03:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
There is no reason to alter any of the names in the cast list. The actors are listed in this article under the names they used in this film's credits. Nancy Kyes is credited as "Nancy Loomis" in AOP 13 (as she is in most of her film appearances). I created a "Nancy Loomis" redirect page last year, ergo the "Nancy Loomis" link on this page goes to the "Nancy Kyes" article. Changing it to "Nancy Kyes/Loomis" as 24.195.208.152 did is utterly nonsensical.
Sullenspice 03:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
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"break a blood-filled "cholo" on the precinct's front steps,"
This does not seem to make sense with the term linked to, and I don't know what it is supposed to be from the context, never haviing seen the movie. Please fix. Thanks. Ingolfson ( talk) 11:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
END OF DAYS: End user agreement... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.175.56 ( talk) 21:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Any suggestions?
Al Fecund ( talk) 22:40, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I saw this movie a long time ago, but I clearly remember that - for the scene in which the little girl was shot by Street Thunder's gangbanger - the camera view was located in the driver's section of the ice cream truck, enough for the viewer to see a massive bullet hole form in her chest. Upon the shooting, she lingered there for a second, then dropped the ice cream cone and fell to the ground. A re-release was done with that scene eliminated - no one needs to ask exactly why, but, it was done. In the re-release, they nixed the frontal camera angle completely and just showed the girl falling to the ground from a distance.
Can anyone corroborate this? I've been trying to find information on the intarwebs to back up my memory but . . . no such luck. 75.131.47.176 ( talk) 03:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
In Germany was the title "Assault - Anschlag bei Nacht", the title of the remake was "Das Ende – Assault on Precinct 13" -- 212.122.206.18 ( talk) 14:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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"Debra Hill acted as an uncredited assistant editor."
I'm looking at a print of the movie right now and she's credited for script supervision and assistant editing.
Indieshack ( talk) 03:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
The "Principal photography" section currently contains this sentence about the film's budget:
Assault started in November 1975 and was shot in only 20 days, including Thanksgiving, on a budget of $100,000. 'Footnote:' Variety incorrectly reported in 1977 that the film cost $200,000.
This figure is supported with three references (John Carpenter's audio commentary, Joseph Kaufman on the 2003 DVD's Production Gallery, and Muir's The Films of John Carpenter), plus the December 14, 1977 issue of Variety for the footnote.
I don't have that 2003 DVD to check the production gallery. But on Second Sight's 40th anniversary Blu-ray, there's an interview featurette with Joseph Kaufman ("Producing Precinct 13: An Interview with Executive Producer Joseph Kaufman"), in which he states that he recently looked at some old documents from the production, and found that the budget was actually closer to $200,000. He says that he thinks the $100,000 budget has been popularised via a "print the legend" situation. (Unfortunately I do not own my own copy of the BR, so can't transcribe the exact quote.)
So, it sounds like Kaufman gave different figures on the 2003 DVD and 2016 Blu-Ray. And the assertion in the footnote that "Variety incorrectly reported in 1977 that the film cost $200,000" might not not have been so incorrect after all! -- Nick R Talk 17:59, 29 September 2021 (UTC)