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"After helping to end the Lithuanian nationalist movement in 1991, Maskhadov became the Chief of Staff for the Chechen army."
Lithuanian nationalist movement was not forced to "end". It ended after Lithuania become independed state. Besides, seems like Maskhadov was not involved in 1991 events, although he served at the time in Lithuania.
Nor this is quite accurate:
"Maskhadov's attempts to stifle Wahhabism and other fundamentalist Muslim groups, coupled with his inability to keep Chechens from trying to drive Russians out of neighboring Dagestan, made him appear incompetent and incapable of controlling his country."
It's documented that Russian prepared in advance for the invasion (see the link, and 1999 messages there) LIST, and also there are grounds to assume that Basayev's people were just lured to action in order to justify the invasion that developed into open warfare, called the Chechen war two.
Also there are grounds to assume that Maskhadov is pretty well controlling his country in spite of alleged 80 000 or even 300 000 foreign troops in its territory. -- BIR 11:29, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
From the article: "Aslan Alivitch Maskhadov (September 21, 1951 - March 8, 2005) was a ... Early life - Maskhadov was born in Kazakhstan in 1957 ..."
Which one is correct year? I tried various news reports of his death but none I read mentioned his birth year. — mikko ( speak) 17:55, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
His middle name, Алиевич in Russian, is pronounced "Aliyevi(t)ch", not "Alivitch" -- 193.2.136.41 05:46, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Basayev and Mashhadov did not agree on many things but Mr. basayev would never make or allow an attemt on Mr. Mashhadovs' life to take place.
AS WELL YOU STATE AS A FACT THAT MR. BASAYEV WAS REPONSIBLE FOR THE APARTMENT BOMBINGS.ARE YOU A INTEL AGENT OR JUST REPEATING putins' PROPAGANDA.
One such as yourself is not qualified to speak Mr. Mashadovs' name let alone write an article about him.
FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA. FREE YOUR MIND.
KAVKAZCENTER.COM
Maskhadov was also of the Naqshbandi Sufi Order. Sometime between the two wars, he was initiated into the order. This might have added to some of the friction with Basayev's more hardline followers.
"Reportedly killed"? This should be edited because there is no proof to the contrary. Neither the Russian nor the separatists sides ever attempted to deny that Maskhadov was killed. Kazak 02:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
The Russian media is not controlled by the government, but is largely owned by allies of the government. There is a difference. In the United States, FOX is accused by many of heavy pro-Republican bias, but nobody goes around calling it "state-controlled". Please avoid such non-NPOV refrences in the future. Kazak 02:22, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
The source link does not exist and although there are other mentionings online that Maskhadov took part in the mentioned events, none of them are based on real documents; it was so that somebody decided that he must have taken part in the events just because he served at Vilnius at the time and thus the hoax started - it continues to be repeated in many biographies, including pro-Maskhadov ones. A version of this hoax is an urban legend which states that Maskhadov got immidietly promoted in rank from captain to colonel (or general) for the participation in the events; in addition to these hoaxes there as well exists another hoax which claims that Maskhadov was ordered to participate in the events but refused to do so (usually this hoax is being said by the supporters of Maskhadov, while the beforementioned one - by people who do not support Maskhadov). Investigations were done by journalists several times but neither hoax was confirmed anyhow, so it turns out that Maskhadov neither received orders to participate in the events nor did he participate in them; after all, he was in rockets and artillery section and not all Soviet troops partitioned in Vilnius took part in the events. I can give links to the articles about such investingations, if you understand Lithuanian they will be useful. 193.219.141.198 09:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I have seen your given sources as I have of course searched the internet before reverting, but all sources are similar biogaraphies that are most likely copied from each other; no source explains it better, while here I give links to investigative articles about the topic and as well other sources which support other hoax (that Maskhadov supposedly refused the orders given to him and that Maskhadov: http://www.veidas.lt/lt/leidinys.full/423aac5d1a14b.2?veidas=58a9ee0d993c7b1 - this article cites Maskhadov's own words which he said in the interview for Moskovskiye Novosti.
excerpt: (...)paklaustas, ar jam nėra sunku bendrauti su Rusijos karininkais, jis sakė: "Man regis, jie dabar atsidūrę tokioje pat padėtyje, kokioje buvau aš tarnaudamas Vilniuje. Juk man tuomet irgi kalė į galvą: raudonoji armija nenugalima, kova vyksta dėl teisaus reikalo ir panašiai. Todėl kai prasidėjo įvykiai Pabaltijyje, aš nesupratau, kas vyksta: ko gi, maniau aš, jie nenori gyventi Sovietų Sąjungoje? Man gėda, kad aš buvau Vilniuje. Nors Sausio 13-osios įvykiuose aš nedalyvavau, man gėda dėl mano tuometinio požiūrio į juos. Jeigu Rusijos kariškiai, šiuo metu esantys Čečėnijoje, savo kailiu patirtų, kaip tai sunku – matyti, kai naikinama tavo tauta, – jie elgtųsi visiškai kitaip."
translation: When asked if it is not hard for him to talk with the Russian officers now he said: "It seems they are now in such a situation in which I was when I served in Vilnius. Back then it was said to me as well: the Red Army is undefeatable, the fight is for the right cause and such. Thus when the events in the Baltics started I did not understood what is going on: why, I thought, they does not want to live in the Soviet Union? I am ashamed that I was in Vilnius. Although I haven't taken part in the events of January 13th I am ashamed because of the view towards them I held back then. If the Russian soldiers who are now in Chechnya, would feel themselves how hard it is to see how your nation is being destroyed, they would act differently". (bolding done by me)
As you see, he was ashamed of his views rather than his participation; and these biographies mixed it. Translate with Babel if you don't believe or maybe you will find the original Russian quote somewhere as it was published.
There were more investigations of the said hoax here, and I am giving another example of articles mentioning other viewpoints: http://www.xxiamzius.lt/archyvas/xxiamzius/20030131/aktu.html (see chapter "Įtartinas bruzdesys") - this article denounces the hoax and explains that Maskhadov was stationed in Vilnius, but did not took part, while general Uskhopchik led the attack.
I hope this is enough. As for registering, I am not really active in Wikipedia, this is a university IP address, many people had edited Wikipedia from it and most of contributions are not mine. 193.219.141.198 09:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I deleted the section about Bush not naming Maskhadov, because it is not pertinent or sourced. Epsoul 00:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
If we want a better fair-use picture of him as he looked not long before his death, there's one at the end of the link. [1] -- Estrellador* 20:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Anonims add different complicated Arabic-sounded names for Maskhadov. I think this should be sourced, otherwise it is an original research. Of particular concern for me is the part "Ibn Alievich". The -ich suffix is a Russian form for patronimic it means son of Ali. The Arabic Ibn means exactly the same. I guess he might be either "Ibn Ali" or "Alievich" but Ibn Alievich is simply wrong. I also not sure that the Arabic names are appropriate for a Chechen leader (Russian names are somehow appropriate since most of his life he was a Russian military officer). Alex Bakharev 05:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
http://eng.kavkaz.memo.ru/newstext/engnews/id/1188808.html -- 84.234.60.154 10:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know when exactly that picture of Aslan and Shamil was taken? I'm wondering if it was before or after the Beslan massacre. Aslan often said that he was against the killing of innocent life and that Shamil should be put to trial for Beslan, however it doesn't seem like there's any tension between the two of them if that picture was taken after Beslan.
I'd like to keep it that way. One might want to see the actual succession of Heads of State in Chechnya and not only guerilla leaders. Granted, it's a bit heavy, but there is a succession line between Mashkadov and Akhmad Kadyrov (as actual, ruling presidents), not only with Abdul-Halim Sadulayev (as clandestine separatist leader). Wedineinheck ( talk) 18:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Kadyrov did not succeed maskhadov. He was already the "official" leader of Chechnya before Maskhadov got killed. Maskhadov remained the president in exile. those are not to be confused. Also Kadyrov wasnt fairly elected. There's really no need for this, the infobox at the end of the page already has the information you want. - PietervHuis ( talk) 18:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I tend to think that it would be useful. The logic in that succession box is that Kadyrov succeeded Maskhadov as the actual, presidential ruler of Chechnya (granted, he wasn't fairly elected, but that is another matter), while Maskhadov, though still alive and claiming to be still president, was reduced to being a clandestine guerilla leader. Hence, it helps readers to figure out who actually ruled Chechnya. (IMHO, infoboxes at the end of the pages are not visible enough) Wedineinheck ( talk) 19:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Kadyrov became the president of the Chechen Republic. Abdul-Halim Sadulayev became the succesor of Maskhadov of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria. You're not making things any more clear, instead it only adds confusion and is very unusual. - PietervHuis ( talk) 19:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
What I am trying to do is to help navigate between the various Chechen heads of state. Granted, it may appear confusing at first glance (as the situation itself is convoluted) but it can also help readers to see a line of succession between who actually ruled the country (or the province of Russia, depending on the viewpoint). The problem is that after 1999, Mashkadov was not in power any more and was de facto deposed, so the succession box has to take notice of this. I do not aim to give credit to Kadyrov, but one cannot consider Sadulayev as Mashkadov's only successor, as he was only a guerilla leader. Whether one likes Kadyrov or not (personnally, I don't), one can't deny that he was Chechnya's formal ruler, while Mashkadov was on the run. Please take note that the infobox makes it clear that Kadyrov did succeed Mashkadov as head of state, but did not bear the same title. One may compare this to President Mohammed Daoud Khan, who succeeded King Mohammed Zahir Shah as head of state, though not in the same capacity. Wedineinheck ( talk) 20:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
No, he's listed as the President of Ichkeria. The presidents you're talking about are the President of the Chechen Republic. Sadulayev was factually the succesor of Maskhadov, and took on the position as President of Ichkeria. There's really no need or "logic" to add anything related to Kadyrov in the infobox. It already says that the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria was in exile since 2000. It's only making the infoboxes appear more chaotic. Something like that should belong in the text of the page, not the infobox. - PietervHuis ( talk) 20:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
He was the PRESIDENT IN EXILE. Kadyrov was also on the run from rebels, why else was he assasinated? Maskhadov indeed wasnt president of chechnya anymore, but still president of ichkeria, the government in exile since the outbreak of the war. Thats all it states, nothing more, nothing less. There's nothing tricky or confusing about that. - PietervHuis ( talk) 17:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes because Russia wasn't even legally allowed to depose Maskhadov from his position following the Khasav-Yurt Accord. There's no specific date in which his presidency turned into "exile", it might have been 2000, 2001 or 2002 or whatever, and after 1999 there wasnt even another president apointed. If it makes you feel better, below on the page above the conflict box it says he was president of the unrecognised chechen republic of ichkeria. - PietervHuis ( talk) 20:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC) Also nobody is controlling chechnya completely atm. The rebels still control the mountains (probably forever). - PietervHuis ( talk) 21:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't Category:Chechen Sufis be better?
I also have problems to classify many many people. For example, Basayev was often said to be a Sufi, and then people were saying he's a "Wahhabi". I guess I'd be sure only of Maskhadov and the Kadyrovs... despite the republic being supposedly so-Sufi. -- 84.234.60.154 ( talk) 16:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Same with "Russian Islamists", which I used for Vakha Arsanov (no infobox). Oh, there is also no category "Vice Presidents of Chechnya". -- 84.234.60.154 ( talk) 20:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
1998 declaratiion of war on the USA and all that. -- 84.234.60.154 ( talk) 11:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Did Maskhadov ever appoint a new vice president? - PietervHuis ( talk) 11:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
There's a note about "half a million people internally displaced" (number 4, at the moment i'm writing) that refers to the Litvininko killing. Is there a way to find out what was the correct reference? -- Marcozec ( talk) 15:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
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"After helping to end the Lithuanian nationalist movement in 1991, Maskhadov became the Chief of Staff for the Chechen army."
Lithuanian nationalist movement was not forced to "end". It ended after Lithuania become independed state. Besides, seems like Maskhadov was not involved in 1991 events, although he served at the time in Lithuania.
Nor this is quite accurate:
"Maskhadov's attempts to stifle Wahhabism and other fundamentalist Muslim groups, coupled with his inability to keep Chechens from trying to drive Russians out of neighboring Dagestan, made him appear incompetent and incapable of controlling his country."
It's documented that Russian prepared in advance for the invasion (see the link, and 1999 messages there) LIST, and also there are grounds to assume that Basayev's people were just lured to action in order to justify the invasion that developed into open warfare, called the Chechen war two.
Also there are grounds to assume that Maskhadov is pretty well controlling his country in spite of alleged 80 000 or even 300 000 foreign troops in its territory. -- BIR 11:29, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
From the article: "Aslan Alivitch Maskhadov (September 21, 1951 - March 8, 2005) was a ... Early life - Maskhadov was born in Kazakhstan in 1957 ..."
Which one is correct year? I tried various news reports of his death but none I read mentioned his birth year. — mikko ( speak) 17:55, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
His middle name, Алиевич in Russian, is pronounced "Aliyevi(t)ch", not "Alivitch" -- 193.2.136.41 05:46, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Basayev and Mashhadov did not agree on many things but Mr. basayev would never make or allow an attemt on Mr. Mashhadovs' life to take place.
AS WELL YOU STATE AS A FACT THAT MR. BASAYEV WAS REPONSIBLE FOR THE APARTMENT BOMBINGS.ARE YOU A INTEL AGENT OR JUST REPEATING putins' PROPAGANDA.
One such as yourself is not qualified to speak Mr. Mashadovs' name let alone write an article about him.
FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA. FREE YOUR MIND.
KAVKAZCENTER.COM
Maskhadov was also of the Naqshbandi Sufi Order. Sometime between the two wars, he was initiated into the order. This might have added to some of the friction with Basayev's more hardline followers.
"Reportedly killed"? This should be edited because there is no proof to the contrary. Neither the Russian nor the separatists sides ever attempted to deny that Maskhadov was killed. Kazak 02:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
The Russian media is not controlled by the government, but is largely owned by allies of the government. There is a difference. In the United States, FOX is accused by many of heavy pro-Republican bias, but nobody goes around calling it "state-controlled". Please avoid such non-NPOV refrences in the future. Kazak 02:22, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
The source link does not exist and although there are other mentionings online that Maskhadov took part in the mentioned events, none of them are based on real documents; it was so that somebody decided that he must have taken part in the events just because he served at Vilnius at the time and thus the hoax started - it continues to be repeated in many biographies, including pro-Maskhadov ones. A version of this hoax is an urban legend which states that Maskhadov got immidietly promoted in rank from captain to colonel (or general) for the participation in the events; in addition to these hoaxes there as well exists another hoax which claims that Maskhadov was ordered to participate in the events but refused to do so (usually this hoax is being said by the supporters of Maskhadov, while the beforementioned one - by people who do not support Maskhadov). Investigations were done by journalists several times but neither hoax was confirmed anyhow, so it turns out that Maskhadov neither received orders to participate in the events nor did he participate in them; after all, he was in rockets and artillery section and not all Soviet troops partitioned in Vilnius took part in the events. I can give links to the articles about such investingations, if you understand Lithuanian they will be useful. 193.219.141.198 09:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I have seen your given sources as I have of course searched the internet before reverting, but all sources are similar biogaraphies that are most likely copied from each other; no source explains it better, while here I give links to investigative articles about the topic and as well other sources which support other hoax (that Maskhadov supposedly refused the orders given to him and that Maskhadov: http://www.veidas.lt/lt/leidinys.full/423aac5d1a14b.2?veidas=58a9ee0d993c7b1 - this article cites Maskhadov's own words which he said in the interview for Moskovskiye Novosti.
excerpt: (...)paklaustas, ar jam nėra sunku bendrauti su Rusijos karininkais, jis sakė: "Man regis, jie dabar atsidūrę tokioje pat padėtyje, kokioje buvau aš tarnaudamas Vilniuje. Juk man tuomet irgi kalė į galvą: raudonoji armija nenugalima, kova vyksta dėl teisaus reikalo ir panašiai. Todėl kai prasidėjo įvykiai Pabaltijyje, aš nesupratau, kas vyksta: ko gi, maniau aš, jie nenori gyventi Sovietų Sąjungoje? Man gėda, kad aš buvau Vilniuje. Nors Sausio 13-osios įvykiuose aš nedalyvavau, man gėda dėl mano tuometinio požiūrio į juos. Jeigu Rusijos kariškiai, šiuo metu esantys Čečėnijoje, savo kailiu patirtų, kaip tai sunku – matyti, kai naikinama tavo tauta, – jie elgtųsi visiškai kitaip."
translation: When asked if it is not hard for him to talk with the Russian officers now he said: "It seems they are now in such a situation in which I was when I served in Vilnius. Back then it was said to me as well: the Red Army is undefeatable, the fight is for the right cause and such. Thus when the events in the Baltics started I did not understood what is going on: why, I thought, they does not want to live in the Soviet Union? I am ashamed that I was in Vilnius. Although I haven't taken part in the events of January 13th I am ashamed because of the view towards them I held back then. If the Russian soldiers who are now in Chechnya, would feel themselves how hard it is to see how your nation is being destroyed, they would act differently". (bolding done by me)
As you see, he was ashamed of his views rather than his participation; and these biographies mixed it. Translate with Babel if you don't believe or maybe you will find the original Russian quote somewhere as it was published.
There were more investigations of the said hoax here, and I am giving another example of articles mentioning other viewpoints: http://www.xxiamzius.lt/archyvas/xxiamzius/20030131/aktu.html (see chapter "Įtartinas bruzdesys") - this article denounces the hoax and explains that Maskhadov was stationed in Vilnius, but did not took part, while general Uskhopchik led the attack.
I hope this is enough. As for registering, I am not really active in Wikipedia, this is a university IP address, many people had edited Wikipedia from it and most of contributions are not mine. 193.219.141.198 09:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I deleted the section about Bush not naming Maskhadov, because it is not pertinent or sourced. Epsoul 00:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
If we want a better fair-use picture of him as he looked not long before his death, there's one at the end of the link. [1] -- Estrellador* 20:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Anonims add different complicated Arabic-sounded names for Maskhadov. I think this should be sourced, otherwise it is an original research. Of particular concern for me is the part "Ibn Alievich". The -ich suffix is a Russian form for patronimic it means son of Ali. The Arabic Ibn means exactly the same. I guess he might be either "Ibn Ali" or "Alievich" but Ibn Alievich is simply wrong. I also not sure that the Arabic names are appropriate for a Chechen leader (Russian names are somehow appropriate since most of his life he was a Russian military officer). Alex Bakharev 05:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
http://eng.kavkaz.memo.ru/newstext/engnews/id/1188808.html -- 84.234.60.154 10:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know when exactly that picture of Aslan and Shamil was taken? I'm wondering if it was before or after the Beslan massacre. Aslan often said that he was against the killing of innocent life and that Shamil should be put to trial for Beslan, however it doesn't seem like there's any tension between the two of them if that picture was taken after Beslan.
I'd like to keep it that way. One might want to see the actual succession of Heads of State in Chechnya and not only guerilla leaders. Granted, it's a bit heavy, but there is a succession line between Mashkadov and Akhmad Kadyrov (as actual, ruling presidents), not only with Abdul-Halim Sadulayev (as clandestine separatist leader). Wedineinheck ( talk) 18:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Kadyrov did not succeed maskhadov. He was already the "official" leader of Chechnya before Maskhadov got killed. Maskhadov remained the president in exile. those are not to be confused. Also Kadyrov wasnt fairly elected. There's really no need for this, the infobox at the end of the page already has the information you want. - PietervHuis ( talk) 18:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I tend to think that it would be useful. The logic in that succession box is that Kadyrov succeeded Maskhadov as the actual, presidential ruler of Chechnya (granted, he wasn't fairly elected, but that is another matter), while Maskhadov, though still alive and claiming to be still president, was reduced to being a clandestine guerilla leader. Hence, it helps readers to figure out who actually ruled Chechnya. (IMHO, infoboxes at the end of the pages are not visible enough) Wedineinheck ( talk) 19:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Kadyrov became the president of the Chechen Republic. Abdul-Halim Sadulayev became the succesor of Maskhadov of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria. You're not making things any more clear, instead it only adds confusion and is very unusual. - PietervHuis ( talk) 19:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
What I am trying to do is to help navigate between the various Chechen heads of state. Granted, it may appear confusing at first glance (as the situation itself is convoluted) but it can also help readers to see a line of succession between who actually ruled the country (or the province of Russia, depending on the viewpoint). The problem is that after 1999, Mashkadov was not in power any more and was de facto deposed, so the succession box has to take notice of this. I do not aim to give credit to Kadyrov, but one cannot consider Sadulayev as Mashkadov's only successor, as he was only a guerilla leader. Whether one likes Kadyrov or not (personnally, I don't), one can't deny that he was Chechnya's formal ruler, while Mashkadov was on the run. Please take note that the infobox makes it clear that Kadyrov did succeed Mashkadov as head of state, but did not bear the same title. One may compare this to President Mohammed Daoud Khan, who succeeded King Mohammed Zahir Shah as head of state, though not in the same capacity. Wedineinheck ( talk) 20:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
No, he's listed as the President of Ichkeria. The presidents you're talking about are the President of the Chechen Republic. Sadulayev was factually the succesor of Maskhadov, and took on the position as President of Ichkeria. There's really no need or "logic" to add anything related to Kadyrov in the infobox. It already says that the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria was in exile since 2000. It's only making the infoboxes appear more chaotic. Something like that should belong in the text of the page, not the infobox. - PietervHuis ( talk) 20:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
He was the PRESIDENT IN EXILE. Kadyrov was also on the run from rebels, why else was he assasinated? Maskhadov indeed wasnt president of chechnya anymore, but still president of ichkeria, the government in exile since the outbreak of the war. Thats all it states, nothing more, nothing less. There's nothing tricky or confusing about that. - PietervHuis ( talk) 17:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes because Russia wasn't even legally allowed to depose Maskhadov from his position following the Khasav-Yurt Accord. There's no specific date in which his presidency turned into "exile", it might have been 2000, 2001 or 2002 or whatever, and after 1999 there wasnt even another president apointed. If it makes you feel better, below on the page above the conflict box it says he was president of the unrecognised chechen republic of ichkeria. - PietervHuis ( talk) 20:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC) Also nobody is controlling chechnya completely atm. The rebels still control the mountains (probably forever). - PietervHuis ( talk) 21:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't Category:Chechen Sufis be better?
I also have problems to classify many many people. For example, Basayev was often said to be a Sufi, and then people were saying he's a "Wahhabi". I guess I'd be sure only of Maskhadov and the Kadyrovs... despite the republic being supposedly so-Sufi. -- 84.234.60.154 ( talk) 16:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Same with "Russian Islamists", which I used for Vakha Arsanov (no infobox). Oh, there is also no category "Vice Presidents of Chechnya". -- 84.234.60.154 ( talk) 20:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
1998 declaratiion of war on the USA and all that. -- 84.234.60.154 ( talk) 11:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Did Maskhadov ever appoint a new vice president? - PietervHuis ( talk) 11:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
There's a note about "half a million people internally displaced" (number 4, at the moment i'm writing) that refers to the Litvininko killing. Is there a way to find out what was the correct reference? -- Marcozec ( talk) 15:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
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