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Harnack probably was at the DHfP first, the Deutsche Hochschule für Politik (see german Wikip.), founded in 1920 as a privat university (and pre-33 very left leaning), which the Nazis later put under control of the state. In 1940 it was made a part of Berlin University, (not yet in 1935 ---the linked website from the DHM simply got things mixed up here). Albrecht Haushofer taught at the DHfP from 1933, was made professor at Berlin University in '40. Auslandswissenschaften means foreign affairs, but was very reduced in Nazi times. ---The linked DHM website says that Harnack was working full time at the ministry for economics in 1935.-- Radh ( talk) 10:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Also about arplan
This seems to have been not a reprint, but the original publication.
Danyel, (p. 473) singles out: Emil Lederer, Alfred Meusel, Otto Hoetzsch, Klaus Mehnert for the side of Political Science and Eastern Europe Studies, and Lukács, Hermann Dunker and Wittfogel for the left and then the national-revolutionaries and national-bolschewiki Ernst Niekisch, Hans Ebeling. Danyel calls the Graf Ernst von Reventlov and Ernst Jünger conservative members of the group, which is a bit strange, Jünger' s Arbeiter from this period is a quasi-fascist text (in the italian, or even a private, Jüngerian style).
Travels of the ARPLAN group in Russian from August, 20. to Sept. 12. were to Moscow, Leningrad, Odessa, Kiew and the Dnjepr region. (Danyl, p. 482)-- Radh ( talk) 09:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
See also (which gives basically the same information on arplan)
This article has various inconsistencies regarding their deaths with the page on Mildred Harnack. This page states that the location of their bodies is unknown, and implies they were both hanged. The page on Mildred Harnack states that the location of her burial is known & that she was beheaded. VenomousConcept ( talk) 17:18, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Trips to the United States in 1937 and 1939 would follow, during which Harnack unsuccessfully tried to create a basis of communication with Washington. scope_creep Talk 17:00, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
scope_creep Talk 00:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
p.100 Brysac. Why Harnack went to America. scope_creep Talk 23:45, 1 February 2021 (UTC) p.108. Brysac Inner part of Arplan scope_creep Talk 13:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
P.147 Brysac is important. Discussion groups.
scope_creep
Talk 22:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
According to Brysac, 145-147, Havemann says the last discussion group for espionage activities was in Zehlendorf. Wasn't there flat much further north, so where were they meeting? scope_creep Talk 17:51, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Karl Behrens link in a top. Still to add the fact he was a cutout and info around Soviet embassy. Page 148 of Kesaris. scope_creep Talk 11:26, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Scope creep: More questions, of course. If you could leave a signature after each response, that'd be great.
From 1919 to 1923 he studied law at the Friedrich Schiller University, Graz, and Hamburg [...]Wikilinks removed. Are the places he studied in Graz and Hamburg named? If not, I'd probably change
Friedrich Schiller Universityto Jena.
Kuckhoff was drawn into an intimate group of Wisconsin radicals [...]This is Adam Kuckhoff we're talking about here?
The Harnacks, like many of their counterparts [...]Which counterparts are you talking about? In what way? Literary counterparts? Ideological counterparts?
Heym stated he found the Harnacks to be a genial academic couple who had a determined outlook on the Nazis.Emphasis added. What is meant by "determined outlook"?
scope_creep Talk 07:45, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
The Soviet economy was observed in Moscow, Leningrad, Odessa, Kiev, and the Dnieper region.I'm not sure why this sentence is in this article; it doesn't appear to divulge any information about Harnack in particular. It might be better off in an article like Economy of the Soviet Union.
This allegation was again repeated in 1994 by the KGB's deputy director, Pavel Sudoplatov, though it was not recorded in Harnack's own records.I don't understand why it is important that the allegation wasn't in Harnack's own records.
This honour has proven doubtful today, as it mistakenly interpreted the group as a communist spy network spying for the Soviets.What does it mean for the honour to be "proven doubtful"?
It was known that Harnack had planned an independent existence for his friends.What is meant by "indepedent existence"?
Looking forward to your answers. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:26, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
"He and his American-born wife, Mildred Harnack, were executed by the Nazi regime in 1942."
Mildred Harnack was executed on 16th February 1943, as stated in the Wikipedia article /info/en/?search=Mildred_Harnack JF42 ( talk) 10:24, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Cole.ro.scott: Could you explain your reasoning to describe him as a Nazi advocate? Based on the article, it is pretty clear that he is someone who is fighting against Nazism. Some excerpts: In June 1941, with Harnack's approval, Korotkov delivered a wireless transmitter to Greta Kuckhoff during a meeting at an underground railway station or The aim of the operation was to organise the Harnack group into an independent network with direct contact with Soviet intelligence.
Also In June 1941, after the German invasion of the Soviet Union, the resistance group intensified its leaflet propaganda. At the same time, the group started to collect military intelligence ... that could be used to overthrow the Nazis. Members of both groups were convinced that only Germany could only be liberated by the Nazis' military defeat, ...
Also In 1941, Harnack sent the Soviets information about the forthcoming invasion. That same year, he wrote for the resistance magazine, ...
It is pretty evident that he is against Nazi. Thank you and have a good day. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 07:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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Harnack probably was at the DHfP first, the Deutsche Hochschule für Politik (see german Wikip.), founded in 1920 as a privat university (and pre-33 very left leaning), which the Nazis later put under control of the state. In 1940 it was made a part of Berlin University, (not yet in 1935 ---the linked website from the DHM simply got things mixed up here). Albrecht Haushofer taught at the DHfP from 1933, was made professor at Berlin University in '40. Auslandswissenschaften means foreign affairs, but was very reduced in Nazi times. ---The linked DHM website says that Harnack was working full time at the ministry for economics in 1935.-- Radh ( talk) 10:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Also about arplan
This seems to have been not a reprint, but the original publication.
Danyel, (p. 473) singles out: Emil Lederer, Alfred Meusel, Otto Hoetzsch, Klaus Mehnert for the side of Political Science and Eastern Europe Studies, and Lukács, Hermann Dunker and Wittfogel for the left and then the national-revolutionaries and national-bolschewiki Ernst Niekisch, Hans Ebeling. Danyel calls the Graf Ernst von Reventlov and Ernst Jünger conservative members of the group, which is a bit strange, Jünger' s Arbeiter from this period is a quasi-fascist text (in the italian, or even a private, Jüngerian style).
Travels of the ARPLAN group in Russian from August, 20. to Sept. 12. were to Moscow, Leningrad, Odessa, Kiew and the Dnjepr region. (Danyl, p. 482)-- Radh ( talk) 09:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
See also (which gives basically the same information on arplan)
This article has various inconsistencies regarding their deaths with the page on Mildred Harnack. This page states that the location of their bodies is unknown, and implies they were both hanged. The page on Mildred Harnack states that the location of her burial is known & that she was beheaded. VenomousConcept ( talk) 17:18, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Trips to the United States in 1937 and 1939 would follow, during which Harnack unsuccessfully tried to create a basis of communication with Washington. scope_creep Talk 17:00, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
scope_creep Talk 00:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
p.100 Brysac. Why Harnack went to America. scope_creep Talk 23:45, 1 February 2021 (UTC) p.108. Brysac Inner part of Arplan scope_creep Talk 13:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
P.147 Brysac is important. Discussion groups.
scope_creep
Talk 22:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
According to Brysac, 145-147, Havemann says the last discussion group for espionage activities was in Zehlendorf. Wasn't there flat much further north, so where were they meeting? scope_creep Talk 17:51, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Karl Behrens link in a top. Still to add the fact he was a cutout and info around Soviet embassy. Page 148 of Kesaris. scope_creep Talk 11:26, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Scope creep: More questions, of course. If you could leave a signature after each response, that'd be great.
From 1919 to 1923 he studied law at the Friedrich Schiller University, Graz, and Hamburg [...]Wikilinks removed. Are the places he studied in Graz and Hamburg named? If not, I'd probably change
Friedrich Schiller Universityto Jena.
Kuckhoff was drawn into an intimate group of Wisconsin radicals [...]This is Adam Kuckhoff we're talking about here?
The Harnacks, like many of their counterparts [...]Which counterparts are you talking about? In what way? Literary counterparts? Ideological counterparts?
Heym stated he found the Harnacks to be a genial academic couple who had a determined outlook on the Nazis.Emphasis added. What is meant by "determined outlook"?
scope_creep Talk 07:45, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
The Soviet economy was observed in Moscow, Leningrad, Odessa, Kiev, and the Dnieper region.I'm not sure why this sentence is in this article; it doesn't appear to divulge any information about Harnack in particular. It might be better off in an article like Economy of the Soviet Union.
This allegation was again repeated in 1994 by the KGB's deputy director, Pavel Sudoplatov, though it was not recorded in Harnack's own records.I don't understand why it is important that the allegation wasn't in Harnack's own records.
This honour has proven doubtful today, as it mistakenly interpreted the group as a communist spy network spying for the Soviets.What does it mean for the honour to be "proven doubtful"?
It was known that Harnack had planned an independent existence for his friends.What is meant by "indepedent existence"?
Looking forward to your answers. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:26, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
"He and his American-born wife, Mildred Harnack, were executed by the Nazi regime in 1942."
Mildred Harnack was executed on 16th February 1943, as stated in the Wikipedia article /info/en/?search=Mildred_Harnack JF42 ( talk) 10:24, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Cole.ro.scott: Could you explain your reasoning to describe him as a Nazi advocate? Based on the article, it is pretty clear that he is someone who is fighting against Nazism. Some excerpts: In June 1941, with Harnack's approval, Korotkov delivered a wireless transmitter to Greta Kuckhoff during a meeting at an underground railway station or The aim of the operation was to organise the Harnack group into an independent network with direct contact with Soviet intelligence.
Also In June 1941, after the German invasion of the Soviet Union, the resistance group intensified its leaflet propaganda. At the same time, the group started to collect military intelligence ... that could be used to overthrow the Nazis. Members of both groups were convinced that only Germany could only be liberated by the Nazis' military defeat, ...
Also In 1941, Harnack sent the Soviets information about the forthcoming invasion. That same year, he wrote for the resistance magazine, ...
It is pretty evident that he is against Nazi. Thank you and have a good day. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 07:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)