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To those of you who are engaged in an edit war over nomenclature, I have the following questions:
I am interested in hearing responses from both sides, so that perhaps a consensus can be reached. — Zalktis 08:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
In the quotation, Meri does not mention which side he took himself. If he joined the Red Army in 1940 (as said in the article), he voluntarily joined the pro-Hitler coalition. The term GPW was invented just to hide uneasy facts like this one. Lebatsnok ( talk) 14:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC) The term GPW was used to distinguish from WWI which was considered "imperialistical". Besides it was indeed a great tragedy for Russian people and is perfectly suited to denote the war on Eastern front from 1941 through 1945. ( talk) 19:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Whatever. This does not revert the fact that A. Meri voluntarily joined the pro-Nazi Red army in 1940. And even more obviously, there was no "GPW" in 1940: the great tragedy (a.k.a. Russian invasion) had come to Poland and a number of other countries -- but not to Russia yet. Had they not helped Hitler destroy Polish army in 1939, and had they not made every effort to make all neighboring countries their enemies, it would all have been much easier for Russia in 1941. -- And to distinguish WWII from WWI, why not call it WWII?? Lebatsnok ( talk) 13:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Estonian accused of post-WWII genocide dies. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 10:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Military funerals are rare in peacetime. "Ex-military" is not a reason to expect that a person would be given one; both under Soviet regime and in modern Estonia, military service is mandatory, so pretty much everybody has got some military experience. Take Urmas Ott, for example. Like most Estonian males of his generation, he was illegally drafted to the Soviet Army, and served near Sverdlovsk. Recently, Ott died and was buried -- and there's no reason at all to say that he didn't get a military funeral.
Thus, we should only be say when somebody *got* military funeral, not when somebody *didn't* get one. Otherwise, the result is non-neutral as in the old joke of a ship's log:
Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 09:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I've removed some text regarding Meri's activity in the lead because:
-- Martintg ( talk) 20:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
In {{ Communism}}, Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong are listed side by side. Are any of them denigrated by this company? Possibly, but it's no matter when classifying these people. What matters is what sources say. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 16:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Enough? Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 17:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Which image should we use? I think the new photo is far better. -- Petri Krohn ( talk) 08:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
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To those of you who are engaged in an edit war over nomenclature, I have the following questions:
I am interested in hearing responses from both sides, so that perhaps a consensus can be reached. — Zalktis 08:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
In the quotation, Meri does not mention which side he took himself. If he joined the Red Army in 1940 (as said in the article), he voluntarily joined the pro-Hitler coalition. The term GPW was invented just to hide uneasy facts like this one. Lebatsnok ( talk) 14:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC) The term GPW was used to distinguish from WWI which was considered "imperialistical". Besides it was indeed a great tragedy for Russian people and is perfectly suited to denote the war on Eastern front from 1941 through 1945. ( talk) 19:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Whatever. This does not revert the fact that A. Meri voluntarily joined the pro-Nazi Red army in 1940. And even more obviously, there was no "GPW" in 1940: the great tragedy (a.k.a. Russian invasion) had come to Poland and a number of other countries -- but not to Russia yet. Had they not helped Hitler destroy Polish army in 1939, and had they not made every effort to make all neighboring countries their enemies, it would all have been much easier for Russia in 1941. -- And to distinguish WWII from WWI, why not call it WWII?? Lebatsnok ( talk) 13:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Estonian accused of post-WWII genocide dies. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 10:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Military funerals are rare in peacetime. "Ex-military" is not a reason to expect that a person would be given one; both under Soviet regime and in modern Estonia, military service is mandatory, so pretty much everybody has got some military experience. Take Urmas Ott, for example. Like most Estonian males of his generation, he was illegally drafted to the Soviet Army, and served near Sverdlovsk. Recently, Ott died and was buried -- and there's no reason at all to say that he didn't get a military funeral.
Thus, we should only be say when somebody *got* military funeral, not when somebody *didn't* get one. Otherwise, the result is non-neutral as in the old joke of a ship's log:
Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 09:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I've removed some text regarding Meri's activity in the lead because:
-- Martintg ( talk) 20:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
In {{ Communism}}, Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong are listed side by side. Are any of them denigrated by this company? Possibly, but it's no matter when classifying these people. What matters is what sources say. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 16:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Enough? Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 17:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Which image should we use? I think the new photo is far better. -- Petri Krohn ( talk) 08:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)