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This has been a work all of my own up to this point, so I will leave a few pointers for other editors:
Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 13:07, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
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Should we add a column for the meaning of the arms? Quite a few universities talk about this, some without giving a blazon.
Should we include arms for which we have a description of the meaning and a free-use image but no blazon?
Robminchin ( talk) 07:06, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
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To mark International Heraldry Day, the Lyon Court has Tweeted drawings of the arms of Scotland's universities.[ [1]] Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 21:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
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Greetings. I've just removed 42 non-free files from Armorial of schools in England. Please be aware of WP:NFLISTS. We do not generally allow an article of this type to have non-free files used in this way. Your addition of these images resulted in this article using more non-free content than any other article on the entire project of over 6 million articles but one. We do not use non-free imagery in this way. I'll be making a similar removal at Armorial of British universities, as the additions of non-free files there made it the 3rd highest article in terms of non-free image use.
Also, while I appreciate your attempt to comply with WP:NFCC #10c in adding rationales for use such as you did here, a purpose of use that is "Logo is used for illustration" is insufficient. If the only requirement that we had for using non-free files here is that we are using them for illustration, there would be absolutely no limitation on the use of non-free images.
I'm sorry to undo your work, but this is a necessary thing. If you have questions about this, let me know. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 12:49, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I would be interested in other editors opinions on this, specifically with regard to the following:
a) the article may be the largest or smallest user of non-free images - this is irrelevant
b) if the rationale is 'insufficent', it can for sure be strengthened, recognising that heraldry is a visual art form and as such an image is essential to the exposition
c)
WP:NFLISTS does not prohibit using multiple non-free images, it states they 'should be used judiciously'. I contend this is the case here
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Just wanted to pop on here to mention that, after a little research, I have come across sources for arms for Leeds Beckett, Bedfordshire (carried over from Luton) and Regent's college universities. None are reputable enough to use as sources for Wikipedia, but it may be worth looking further before listing them as 'non-armigerous'? Additionally, the University of Roehampton has a banner of arms so, by logic, it must also have a coat of arms surely? Unless it's because this hasn't been formally granted. Hopefully someone in the know will pick up on these comments - cheers, Thomas ( talk) 00:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.216.187 ( talk)
As recently posted in the #Notes for Other Editors topic, organisation by foundation date is not ideal. Rather than continuing in that topic, I felt it was better to start a fresh thread to discuss this. I agree that this isn't ideal, but I also feel that some sort of organisation is needed rather than having a long list. Possibly sub-dividing the list by geographical regions would be better. What do others think? 00:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC) Robminchin ( talk) 00:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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The word 'armorial' definitely appears to be an adjective, as such it needs a noun to modify. This could be something like, 'armorial bearings', or 'armorial cognizances'. Having an encyclopedia entry with an ungrammatical title is far from ideal. Perhaps the straightforward, 'coats of arms' would be better? Urselius ( talk) 13:05, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
We currently have two sections, one for constituent colleges, with a diversity of institutions including colleges of various sorts, member institutions of the University of London, and a former college that is now a campus of the University of Nottingham. We also have a section for constituent halls, for halls of residence with their own arms and Oxford PPHs; these are closer to the residential colleges than the UoL member institutions that are included with colleges. Former licensed halls of residence at Durham are, however, given under former colleges as there's only one sub-section there. It seems to me that we've ended up with separate sections for halls and colleges because of concerns about the constitutional minutiae of Oxford (the PPHs used to be listed under colleges), but we should be able to find a better solution.
I suggest that we merge the 'arms of constituent colleges' and 'arms of constituent halls' to 'arms of constituent bodies' (which could also include departments or faculties with their own arms, such as the Institute of Education) and rename 'former constituent colleges' to 'former constituent bodies'. What do other editors think? Robminchin ( talk) 18:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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This has been a work all of my own up to this point, so I will leave a few pointers for other editors:
Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 13:07, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by
Flibirigit (
talk)
03:42, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Moved to mainspace by Robin S. Taylor ( talk) and Shadowssettle ( talk). Nominated by Shadowssettle ( talk) at 17:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC).
References
Should we add a column for the meaning of the arms? Quite a few universities talk about this, some without giving a blazon.
Should we include arms for which we have a description of the meaning and a free-use image but no blazon?
Robminchin ( talk) 07:06, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
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To mark International Heraldry Day, the Lyon Court has Tweeted drawings of the arms of Scotland's universities.[ [1]] Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 21:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Please see below - alert and notification of removal of images because on non-compliance with WP:NFLISTS
Greetings. I've just removed 42 non-free files from Armorial of schools in England. Please be aware of WP:NFLISTS. We do not generally allow an article of this type to have non-free files used in this way. Your addition of these images resulted in this article using more non-free content than any other article on the entire project of over 6 million articles but one. We do not use non-free imagery in this way. I'll be making a similar removal at Armorial of British universities, as the additions of non-free files there made it the 3rd highest article in terms of non-free image use.
Also, while I appreciate your attempt to comply with WP:NFCC #10c in adding rationales for use such as you did here, a purpose of use that is "Logo is used for illustration" is insufficient. If the only requirement that we had for using non-free files here is that we are using them for illustration, there would be absolutely no limitation on the use of non-free images.
I'm sorry to undo your work, but this is a necessary thing. If you have questions about this, let me know. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 12:49, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I would be interested in other editors opinions on this, specifically with regard to the following:
a) the article may be the largest or smallest user of non-free images - this is irrelevant
b) if the rationale is 'insufficent', it can for sure be strengthened, recognising that heraldry is a visual art form and as such an image is essential to the exposition
c)
WP:NFLISTS does not prohibit using multiple non-free images, it states they 'should be used judiciously'. I contend this is the case here
Hjamesberglen (
talk)
10:45, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Just wanted to pop on here to mention that, after a little research, I have come across sources for arms for Leeds Beckett, Bedfordshire (carried over from Luton) and Regent's college universities. None are reputable enough to use as sources for Wikipedia, but it may be worth looking further before listing them as 'non-armigerous'? Additionally, the University of Roehampton has a banner of arms so, by logic, it must also have a coat of arms surely? Unless it's because this hasn't been formally granted. Hopefully someone in the know will pick up on these comments - cheers, Thomas ( talk) 00:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.216.187 ( talk)
As recently posted in the #Notes for Other Editors topic, organisation by foundation date is not ideal. Rather than continuing in that topic, I felt it was better to start a fresh thread to discuss this. I agree that this isn't ideal, but I also feel that some sort of organisation is needed rather than having a long list. Possibly sub-dividing the list by geographical regions would be better. What do others think? 00:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC) Robminchin ( talk) 00:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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The word 'armorial' definitely appears to be an adjective, as such it needs a noun to modify. This could be something like, 'armorial bearings', or 'armorial cognizances'. Having an encyclopedia entry with an ungrammatical title is far from ideal. Perhaps the straightforward, 'coats of arms' would be better? Urselius ( talk) 13:05, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
We currently have two sections, one for constituent colleges, with a diversity of institutions including colleges of various sorts, member institutions of the University of London, and a former college that is now a campus of the University of Nottingham. We also have a section for constituent halls, for halls of residence with their own arms and Oxford PPHs; these are closer to the residential colleges than the UoL member institutions that are included with colleges. Former licensed halls of residence at Durham are, however, given under former colleges as there's only one sub-section there. It seems to me that we've ended up with separate sections for halls and colleges because of concerns about the constitutional minutiae of Oxford (the PPHs used to be listed under colleges), but we should be able to find a better solution.
I suggest that we merge the 'arms of constituent colleges' and 'arms of constituent halls' to 'arms of constituent bodies' (which could also include departments or faculties with their own arms, such as the Institute of Education) and rename 'former constituent colleges' to 'former constituent bodies'. What do other editors think? Robminchin ( talk) 18:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)