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Two hold the view that there was not an "Armenian Genocide", but a wider "Christian Genocide" carried out by the Turks over the course of 30 years. [1] and of course the book the two wrote on the matter. Some have disputed/ criticized them for this and accuse them of denial [2]. Now this is of course a sensitive topic, involves BLP, and is rather complicated in that they essentially believe a different wider genocide occurred as opposed to the Armenian genocide, but I thought at least talking here would be good. Personally I don't think they should be included, but it is an interesting historical debate and thought it would be good to discuss. Thoughts? 3Kingdoms ( talk) 00:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
"In the genocide's aftermath, incriminating documents were systematically destroyed, and denial has been the policy of every government of the Republic of Turkey, as of 2022."
This is a serious claim, Please do not make unsourced claims. Tiginbeg ( talk) 07:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Kozandere served as the stage for a macabre spectacle: the corpses of Armenians tortured and killed there were dressed in Muslim costume, capped with turbans, and photographed. The pictures were then reproduced and widely distributed, first in Dyarbekir, later in Istanbul, and even Germany. They were supposed to show victims of atrocities committed by the Armenian “insurgents,” “in order to incite the population against the Armeniens.” Rafael de Nogales, who spent a few days in the barracks in Dyarbekir in late June, notes that Reşid, whom he compares to a “hyena,” “killed without ever risking his own life,” and that a commander in the gendarmerie, Mehmed Asim Bey, offered him two photographs of a scene that he had “composed almost entirely of fowling-pieces easily disguised” with no other aim than to “impress the public” and convince it that the Russians had, well before the war began, furnished to “Armenians, Chaldeans, and Nestorians of the provinces of Van and Bitlis, Dyarbekir, and Urfa, considerable quantities of arms and ammunition.” This documented example, which is probably not an isolated case, gives us an idea of the propaganda methods that accompanied the Young Turks’ crimes.
— Kévorkian, The Armenian Genocide, p. 364
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Buidhe ( talk • contribs) 10:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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Two hold the view that there was not an "Armenian Genocide", but a wider "Christian Genocide" carried out by the Turks over the course of 30 years. [1] and of course the book the two wrote on the matter. Some have disputed/ criticized them for this and accuse them of denial [2]. Now this is of course a sensitive topic, involves BLP, and is rather complicated in that they essentially believe a different wider genocide occurred as opposed to the Armenian genocide, but I thought at least talking here would be good. Personally I don't think they should be included, but it is an interesting historical debate and thought it would be good to discuss. Thoughts? 3Kingdoms ( talk) 00:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
"In the genocide's aftermath, incriminating documents were systematically destroyed, and denial has been the policy of every government of the Republic of Turkey, as of 2022."
This is a serious claim, Please do not make unsourced claims. Tiginbeg ( talk) 07:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Kozandere served as the stage for a macabre spectacle: the corpses of Armenians tortured and killed there were dressed in Muslim costume, capped with turbans, and photographed. The pictures were then reproduced and widely distributed, first in Dyarbekir, later in Istanbul, and even Germany. They were supposed to show victims of atrocities committed by the Armenian “insurgents,” “in order to incite the population against the Armeniens.” Rafael de Nogales, who spent a few days in the barracks in Dyarbekir in late June, notes that Reşid, whom he compares to a “hyena,” “killed without ever risking his own life,” and that a commander in the gendarmerie, Mehmed Asim Bey, offered him two photographs of a scene that he had “composed almost entirely of fowling-pieces easily disguised” with no other aim than to “impress the public” and convince it that the Russians had, well before the war began, furnished to “Armenians, Chaldeans, and Nestorians of the provinces of Van and Bitlis, Dyarbekir, and Urfa, considerable quantities of arms and ammunition.” This documented example, which is probably not an isolated case, gives us an idea of the propaganda methods that accompanied the Young Turks’ crimes.
— Kévorkian, The Armenian Genocide, p. 364
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Buidhe ( talk • contribs) 10:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)