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The statement, cited to Winston Churchill's postwar History of the Second World War, that FM Dill was the first non-American buried here is incorrect, in light of fact that 11 British Commonwealth servicemen (admittedly including one American whose body was repatriated from England, but most of the rest having family addresses in the UK) were already buried here, in the latter year of WWI and just afterwards. The earliest of that cohort was Engine Room Artificer Harold Gurney Davis of the Royal Navy, who died on 16 September 1918 and left a widow living in the Isle of Wight (England). These may have been overlooked by Churchill (who was past 70 when he began working on the series, while in declining health) or by those he consulted for information. (Ironically Churchill might have met in his lifetime the highest ranking of the cohort, Major the Hon Charles Lyell, Assistant British Military Attache in Washington when he died in October 1918, during the decade when both men were Liberal Members of Parliament sitting for Scottish constituencies.) I therefore propose the sentence be deleted if the CWGC's evidence is considered strong enough. Cloptonson ( talk) 21:06, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
After the hideous and disrespectful things that Trump has said about those who have served in the military, why is a photo of him included on this page?
There are plenty of other photos of Memorial Day services which could be posted here. Images of people who respect and honor those who have served, and sacrificed for, our country.
There should be no mention of Trump anywhere on this page. He is incapable of respect for those who have served our country.
Please, replace that photo with a ceremony including those who actually honor our brave service men and women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6017:7d:f9eb:c75a:65b:7b01 ( talk • contribs)
- We urge the Commons community to continue to practice rigorous active curation of content, including applying appropriate categorization, removing media that does not meet existing policies and guidelines for inclusion, and actively commissioning media that is deemed needed but missing. We urge the community to pay particular attention to curating all kinds of potentially controversial content, including determining whether it has a realistic educational use and applying the principle of least astonishment in categorization and placement.
Per undid edits here and here by @ Aoidh:, and requested consensus. Seems to be semantics, however looking for any strong support or opposition for/against the change of "deceased's" to "decedent's". As nouns, both are synonymous [1] [2] [3] [4]. Was under the assumption that this type of edit would constitute basic CE, or at the very least falls under the first WP:DONTREVERT recommendation —as I see no harm to the article, the encyclopedia or the subject resultant this change— however open to any feedback. Hoping to settle this matter as to complete a spoken article, where the former reads poorly and the latter reads smoother. Babegriev ( talk) 06:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
The Department of Veterans Affairs currently offers 63 authorized faith emblems for placement on markers to represent the deceased's faith.versus
The Department of Veterans Affairs currently offers 63 authorized faith emblems for placement on markers to represent the decedent's faith.Having said "deceased's faith" aloud several times as a test, I agree that "decedent's faith" is an improvement for a spoken article, and most likely for those readers using screen readers as well. An alternative would be "to represent the faith of the deceased". Schazjmd (talk) 13:59, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
References
The following has been cut & pasted from the EL section of the article
ISSUE: the website has many pertinent pages and resources that are exclusive to the deceased at Arlington National Cemetery. At the same time it has a listing of various German alternative medicine products. So, is the website – with its many pertinent pages – proper on Wikipedia? If so, where and how? – S. Rich ( talk) 00:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
This passage: "In 1804, Custis married Mary Lee Fitzhugh. They had four children, but only one, Mary Anna Randolph Custis, survived, and married future Confederate States Army general Robert E. Lee.
Custis's will gave a "life inheritance" to Mary Lee..."
is incredibly ambiguous. Careful reading reveals that the final "Mary Lee" is (probably) meant to refer to the second "Mary... Lee," but since this is the first time she is actually referred to as such this requires entirely too much effort to figure out. 184.56.114.218 ( talk) 07:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
Removing FAG from the WP ANC infobox is a mis-reading of WP:ELPEREN. With over 400,000 burials listed for ANC, some of the individual burial pages have User-generated content. But the overall FAG page for ANC is controlled by FAG. In fact, a large number of individual FAG listings were created by non-users or vetted contributors. For example, the International War Graves Project is an organization that has posted 1.7 million FAG listings. The US Veterans Affairs Department is the source of burial information for 1.9 million FAG listings. Both of these organizations have "contributed" data for ANC listings. (See: https://www.findagrave.com/user/profile/46770518 for IWGP.) There are 1,600 "famous" listings for ANC at FAG. Each of these listings is maintained under the editorial control of Find a Grave. And Find a Grave is not the "user" of the website. It should be included as an EL and infobox listing. – S. Rich ( talk) 15:15, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The statement, cited to Winston Churchill's postwar History of the Second World War, that FM Dill was the first non-American buried here is incorrect, in light of fact that 11 British Commonwealth servicemen (admittedly including one American whose body was repatriated from England, but most of the rest having family addresses in the UK) were already buried here, in the latter year of WWI and just afterwards. The earliest of that cohort was Engine Room Artificer Harold Gurney Davis of the Royal Navy, who died on 16 September 1918 and left a widow living in the Isle of Wight (England). These may have been overlooked by Churchill (who was past 70 when he began working on the series, while in declining health) or by those he consulted for information. (Ironically Churchill might have met in his lifetime the highest ranking of the cohort, Major the Hon Charles Lyell, Assistant British Military Attache in Washington when he died in October 1918, during the decade when both men were Liberal Members of Parliament sitting for Scottish constituencies.) I therefore propose the sentence be deleted if the CWGC's evidence is considered strong enough. Cloptonson ( talk) 21:06, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
After the hideous and disrespectful things that Trump has said about those who have served in the military, why is a photo of him included on this page?
There are plenty of other photos of Memorial Day services which could be posted here. Images of people who respect and honor those who have served, and sacrificed for, our country.
There should be no mention of Trump anywhere on this page. He is incapable of respect for those who have served our country.
Please, replace that photo with a ceremony including those who actually honor our brave service men and women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6017:7d:f9eb:c75a:65b:7b01 ( talk • contribs)
- We urge the Commons community to continue to practice rigorous active curation of content, including applying appropriate categorization, removing media that does not meet existing policies and guidelines for inclusion, and actively commissioning media that is deemed needed but missing. We urge the community to pay particular attention to curating all kinds of potentially controversial content, including determining whether it has a realistic educational use and applying the principle of least astonishment in categorization and placement.
Per undid edits here and here by @ Aoidh:, and requested consensus. Seems to be semantics, however looking for any strong support or opposition for/against the change of "deceased's" to "decedent's". As nouns, both are synonymous [1] [2] [3] [4]. Was under the assumption that this type of edit would constitute basic CE, or at the very least falls under the first WP:DONTREVERT recommendation —as I see no harm to the article, the encyclopedia or the subject resultant this change— however open to any feedback. Hoping to settle this matter as to complete a spoken article, where the former reads poorly and the latter reads smoother. Babegriev ( talk) 06:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
The Department of Veterans Affairs currently offers 63 authorized faith emblems for placement on markers to represent the deceased's faith.versus
The Department of Veterans Affairs currently offers 63 authorized faith emblems for placement on markers to represent the decedent's faith.Having said "deceased's faith" aloud several times as a test, I agree that "decedent's faith" is an improvement for a spoken article, and most likely for those readers using screen readers as well. An alternative would be "to represent the faith of the deceased". Schazjmd (talk) 13:59, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
References
The following has been cut & pasted from the EL section of the article
ISSUE: the website has many pertinent pages and resources that are exclusive to the deceased at Arlington National Cemetery. At the same time it has a listing of various German alternative medicine products. So, is the website – with its many pertinent pages – proper on Wikipedia? If so, where and how? – S. Rich ( talk) 00:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
This passage: "In 1804, Custis married Mary Lee Fitzhugh. They had four children, but only one, Mary Anna Randolph Custis, survived, and married future Confederate States Army general Robert E. Lee.
Custis's will gave a "life inheritance" to Mary Lee..."
is incredibly ambiguous. Careful reading reveals that the final "Mary Lee" is (probably) meant to refer to the second "Mary... Lee," but since this is the first time she is actually referred to as such this requires entirely too much effort to figure out. 184.56.114.218 ( talk) 07:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
Removing FAG from the WP ANC infobox is a mis-reading of WP:ELPEREN. With over 400,000 burials listed for ANC, some of the individual burial pages have User-generated content. But the overall FAG page for ANC is controlled by FAG. In fact, a large number of individual FAG listings were created by non-users or vetted contributors. For example, the International War Graves Project is an organization that has posted 1.7 million FAG listings. The US Veterans Affairs Department is the source of burial information for 1.9 million FAG listings. Both of these organizations have "contributed" data for ANC listings. (See: https://www.findagrave.com/user/profile/46770518 for IWGP.) There are 1,600 "famous" listings for ANC at FAG. Each of these listings is maintained under the editorial control of Find a Grave. And Find a Grave is not the "user" of the website. It should be included as an EL and infobox listing. – S. Rich ( talk) 15:15, 13 November 2023 (UTC)