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What does the following sentence mean: "This enumeration is traced to Greek philosophy, being listed by both Plato and Socrates." Socrates has not written a single word; does it mean that the character Socrates in Plato's dialogue is referring to it. In any case, the sentence needs clarification. If not, I'll delete Socrates.
Classicists consider themselves to have several sources on Socrates. Besides Plato, there was a fellow named Xenophon who knew Socrates and wrote a great deal about him; Aristotle understood Socrates and Plato to have different positions on several philosophical topics, and gives separate discussions of their views in many of his books; and people who lived long after Plato gave accounts of different philosophers (Epicurus, Parmenides, Zeno, Thales, Socrates, and so on) which seem to have been lost in the intervening millenia. 128.135.208.207 ( talk) 07:34, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
These should probably be made into two separate articles, the first being about what the virtues are (or at least what different philosophers have said they are), and the second being about how we know what the virtues are. These are importantly different debates, and should probably be kept separate. KSchutte 22:55, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not clear how to start a new topic, so I'll put my comment here:
I work as a character specialist/coach, so I took a look at the list of virtues and did some editing, adding, and deleting. I deleted sexual continence, because that's covered under chastity; deleted self-esteem, because in a virtues context, self-respect is more accurate; beautiful in spirit because beauty is more all-encompassing; manners because that's covered under courtesy; perfection, because that's the goal of developing virtues; physical strength, because this is a list of spiritual/moral qualities, not physical ones; and free will, because that's part of the nature of human beings, not a quality/capacity that develops over time. I have some question about leaving in the self- qualities, because "self" is covered in the quality listed separately...such as confidence vs. needing to also have self-confidence. Hope this is helpful! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Susanne M. Alexander ( talk • contribs) 15:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I am new to wikipedia as a contributor. Eventually I would like to become one but I still do not know how to do it. So far I just want to point out that in an article about virtue something should be said about Alasdair MacIntyre or at least there should be a link to its name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pedroborator ( talk • contribs) 18:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
From the article:
This sounds like Latin's rhotacism of /s/ to me, i.e. they are the same word, but /s/ changes to /r/ in certain positions in classical Latin. Can anyone confirm or deny this? – Andyluciano 04:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The section on Buddhist virtues is pretty bare bones. I've edited it a little bit and will come back to it later when I have more time. The main edits are:
1. Deleted list of precepts (sila). These are more analogous to commandments in the Western tradition.
2. Added list of Brahmavihāra, which are a pretty close parallel to virtues as such.
I'm not sure that the Eightfold Path belongs here, since it seems to me to be more of a spiritual discipline than a list of virtues.
Mrrhum 16:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
If we understand virtue to be an embodiment of a good/beneficial/positive trait, and the result of pracice, then each and every one of the Eightfold Path are virtues in themselves. What is the result of a spiritual discipline anyways? I say leave in the Eightfold Path.
[User: FF] 13:20, December 29, 2007 —Preceding
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Yes, it depends on what you mean by "virtue", and it depends on which Buddhist school you're invoking.
However, in agreement with
Mrrhum, it is probably a logical fallacy (Sorry, offhand I can't name which one.) to cite the whole Eight-Fold Path as Buddhist virtue.
(The fallacy is where a category name is expanded to include all related but distinctly different categories.
As an extreme example, it's like saying, "Because a cat is a mammal, all mammals are cats.")
According to Theravada Buddhism, the Eightfold Path has three main parts:
See
http://www.insightmeditationcenter.org/books-articles/dhamma-lists/
Therefore the "Virtue (sila)" part of the Eightfold Path should be listed, but not the whole Path:
The person responsible for the information at the link cited above is Gil Fronsdal:
/info/en/?search=Gil_Fronsdal
I'd do the edit myself, but I'm short on time; maybe later.
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How about a bunch of information on what makes people act good and so on. Relate to happiness and lifw quality genetics and so on. This aint good enough for wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.8.148.20 ( talk) 18:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
should there be something about franklin's 13 virtues? Soyseñorsnibbles 03:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Might it be good to either expand and explain the Nietzsche quotes, or delete them altogether? I've read a bit of Nietzsche, so I'm no stranger to his thoughts, but I have a hard time understanding what he's saying in these bare-bone quotations, except that he's against 'virtue' in some way or another. Perhaps if someone wrote about his overall position on them, and then used the quotes as support? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.208.204.18 ( talk) 01:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Nietzsche has a lot of interesting things to say about virtue, but this article's summary is fairly misleading. But more importantly, hundreds of philosophers have interesting things to say about what virtue is, and Nietzsche is barely in the top twenty or thirty. Can we delete? Oh, and I would say the same for Ayn Rand, but more so. (If a writer of uneven novels can make a top N list of virtue philosophers, she would still only squeak into the top four hundred.) 128.135.208.207 ( talk) 07:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems a bit odd to me that Aristotle is only mentioned in passing in this article. His Nicomachean Ethics is rather the definitive work on the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.80.178.246 ( talk) 11:44, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Is every quran verse regarding virtue really neccasary? All other schools of thought get a bare bones explanation and then we have to wade through all these poxy religous verses in the quaran. They would be more suitable being merged with an islam article instead of forcing them on the rest of us. Get them to *%@#. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.30.37 ( talk) 14:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to include the virtue of killing and torturing infidels as portrayed in 167 verses in the quaran but it keeps getting deleted. They are real verses just like the others in the article. Its not like i am making them up. How about we show the public an unbiased view of this so called religion of peace?
VIOLENCE, KILLING AND TORTURING NON MUSLIMS
You don't understand the order of precedence in Islamic principles nor are the translations accurate. It's a bigoted fail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.7.233.241 ( talk) 01:28, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
It's just wayyy too long. Try making a separate Wikipedia article for this if you want. Condense it to a list.-- 70.74.82.114 ( talk) 09:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The section on Islam was way out of proportion to the whole; if someone wants to make an article about Islamic virtues specifically, this might be appropriate. I have removed the quotations, valuable as they are - this amounts to Original Research
In any case, throughout this article material Wikipedia:V#Reliable_sources should be sourced to a peer-reviewed study of the subjects - but especially anything controversial: "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." Hgilbert ( talk) 04:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
What has that "VirtueScience" link to do with the article, apart from the name? -- Rea, 21:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
We can split this article into 3 separate articles; Virtue, Eastern Virtues & Western Virtues. The Virtue article discusses basic virtues & vices, Eastern virtues article discusses Eastern virtues, Western virtues article discusses Western virtues.
Major clean up and easier to understand afterwards.
Phalanx Pursos —Preceding comment was added at 00:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
-- 77.31.114.130 ( talk) 18:46, 28 November 2012 (UTC)hvhigutlt ggyoy9yhrsafr5 eaaaaaaaaaaajjklutaĎĺĎÍÉÉéÃÃĥĜÈġĻÂĤġĹ== Virtue in the Christian tradition ==
The paragraph on virtue in the Christian tradition is about 2% of the story. The long history of articulating virtue via Thomas and the Scholastics is not mentioned. The omission of the Scholastic (and for that matter the Muslim) contribution to this articulation is a must for this article. If I get a chance, I can write something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.16.218.42 ( talk) 13:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
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MI PIACE. MICHELE BERRETTA ( talk) 10:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
A glaring & embarrassing omission thus far. Volunteers? Wingspeed ( talk) 10:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I certainly agree with the inclusion of sections on Jewish and Muslim conceptions of virtue, but it seems a little odd to present the Pauline theological virtues (faith, hope, and charity) as if they're indifferently a part of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I mean, Jews and Muslims may very well advocate faith, and hope, and charity, among other virtues, but the specific Pauline formulation (faith-hope-charity) is unique to the Christian tradition, isn't it?
Or is it? I honestly don't know.
65.213.77.129 ( talk) 19:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Under roman virtues this links to a snail - I haven't done a lot of research nor plan to but I think this is an incorrect link. -- 2pac 2007 ( talk) 01:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Differentiate between private and public Roman virtues. See www.novaroma.org/wiki/Roman_Virtues —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.121.204.129 ( talk) 18:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm new here. I believe there is an error under Notes, #1. The link for the word "rememberance" does not appear to be correct. It links to the page for "Mnemosyne," which is not directly applicable. Also, I believe the correct spelling should be "remembrance." ( Scwik ( talk) 03:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC))
That list in old Note #1 was one of the most comprehensive I've seen. The following site has three lists that are a good starting reference: http://www.virtuesproject.com/virtues.html. -- 72.187.179.179 ( talk) 19:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
A better description of the Roman understanding of Auctoritas would be "charismatic authority" (cf. Weber's definition [1]) rather than "spiritual" authority.-- Wittsun ( talk) 19:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't have any comment on the argument about what the content of the Islam section should be, but as it stands now, the section is clearly not in the proper Wikipedia style. There are long digressions, overlong direct quotations, and it is cited improperly as well. Someone with expertise in the subject should clean this up. MysteriousS ( talk) 06:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
The use of the word "value" as a moral concept dates to the early 20th century (see for instance http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=value), thus to talk of, for instance, Christian or Aristotelian virtues in respect to values is a complete anachronism. The ancients never thought of morality in terms of (subjective) values as far as I am aware. Value ethics is very modern, but the article seems to imply it as a universal. The page "Virtue_ethics" mentions "value" not once. Moon Oracle ( talk) 14:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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'Post 9/11, the words of Rabbi Hillel are frequently quoted in public lectures and interviews around the world by the prominent writer on comparative religion Karen Armstrong.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.253.96.70 ( talk) 07:23, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I think this issue should be protected from not registered user's edits, it does not sound trustworthy with so much spam. It is hard sometimes to distinguish between edits - which is real spam, half spam or just unsourced or doubtful as a stance. I think regular editors who are registered and with more experience should be given the opportunity to work on the issue without the mess in the editions that is going on by now. -- Aleksd ( talk) 09:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
This article can be improved by acknowledging that virtue refers to many forms of human excellence, not only moral excellence. Other forms of excellence certainly include intellectual excellence (see, for example, the intellectual virtues) and others. Thanks! -- Lbeaumont ( talk) 15:04, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Why has the writer overlooked the word’s etymology? Not out of considerations of political correctness, may we hope? Indeed, the word’s evolution from its root meaning of warlike manliness into a synonym for female chastity has often been commented on as one of the lexicological wonders of the world. Orthotox ( talk) 23:50, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Where did List of virtues go? It was fine a few months ago.
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I really need to review the list of vices. 174.16.98.178 ( talk) 23:32, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
I would like to ask why Chinese Taoists virture is not here please. Also Budo can be tracked back to China through Confucian and Taoists connection's. Shenqijing ( talk) 23:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Zen Buddhism has its connection through Chan Buddhism in China. Shenqijing ( talk) 23:14, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
I have added Alchemy as also a historical connection. Will need more work Shenqijing ( talk) 03:23, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
I would like to question the meaning of virture that is put forward as it's explanation. Virtue is neither good nor bad. It is a principle and therefore not subjective. I think that we need to understand excess and deficiency first. Shenqijing ( talk) 03:33, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
I have included the Chinese De (/də/; Chinese: 德) for vertue and also included the Wiki link. Shenqijing ( talk) 10:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
I have added : another example of this the notion is Merit in Asian traditions Shenqijing ( talk) 03:46, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
The definition of virtue needs to be expounded, I can see potential problems for attachment to strong values. Virtue like in health of body and mind needs to be flexable or there can be no homeostatic rebound of our immune system in our body or empathy in our mind. last but not least virtue is not worldly uposed to morality no one can hold them, or that leaves humanity open to other horrible acts against each other vast on right mind or view. Please reply 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Shenqijing ( talk) 05:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello, new to edditing, just added "For the Chinese the rudimentary study of Yin and Yang was the encapsulation of this philosophical approach to critical thinking and rationality.". Just included this with a link to yin and yang. It just got reverted, new to editing, what went wrong and how can I improve this entry to the page.@ Pfhorrest: Sntmichael ( talk) 08:03, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Some other user has reverted it (ie. removed the edits manually). Their justification for that action was "removal of unhelpful, unsourced, self-published assessment of virtue". It is difficult to truly say the list is unhelpful for 8 billion people on earth and what is helpful for some may not be helpful for others depending on our abilities. Unsourced may not be relevant for creativity and new light in seeing things. Self-published is not a problem for a contemporary writer who means to add contemporary relevance to old issues. The edit might have been hastily removed. Most of the contributions in this article are from European and Asian sources. My edit was an African contribution and the most contemporary contribution as well as a broad and succinct contribution. I think it can be accommodated. An African voice matters.-- Theresa John ( talk) 21:45, 3 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theresa John ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
I'll say up-front that I have no issues with Nova Roma or any disagreement with any of the virtues listed in this article. I would like to think I conform to at least some of them. That said, I'm not a member of Nova Roma either, or affiliated with them.
I raise this only to explain my position, as I want to ask whether a page on Nova Roma is a sufficient source for these listed virtues as having been recognised in ancient Rome? There's only one citation marker in the Roman Virtues section and it goes to a page on Nova Roma's site that doesn't appear - as far as I can see - to link to any historical sources.
Again, I like the virtues. It's a good list. But where does it come from? - Marcia Nemoris ( talk) 14:13, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
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What does the following sentence mean: "This enumeration is traced to Greek philosophy, being listed by both Plato and Socrates." Socrates has not written a single word; does it mean that the character Socrates in Plato's dialogue is referring to it. In any case, the sentence needs clarification. If not, I'll delete Socrates.
Classicists consider themselves to have several sources on Socrates. Besides Plato, there was a fellow named Xenophon who knew Socrates and wrote a great deal about him; Aristotle understood Socrates and Plato to have different positions on several philosophical topics, and gives separate discussions of their views in many of his books; and people who lived long after Plato gave accounts of different philosophers (Epicurus, Parmenides, Zeno, Thales, Socrates, and so on) which seem to have been lost in the intervening millenia. 128.135.208.207 ( talk) 07:34, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
These should probably be made into two separate articles, the first being about what the virtues are (or at least what different philosophers have said they are), and the second being about how we know what the virtues are. These are importantly different debates, and should probably be kept separate. KSchutte 22:55, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not clear how to start a new topic, so I'll put my comment here:
I work as a character specialist/coach, so I took a look at the list of virtues and did some editing, adding, and deleting. I deleted sexual continence, because that's covered under chastity; deleted self-esteem, because in a virtues context, self-respect is more accurate; beautiful in spirit because beauty is more all-encompassing; manners because that's covered under courtesy; perfection, because that's the goal of developing virtues; physical strength, because this is a list of spiritual/moral qualities, not physical ones; and free will, because that's part of the nature of human beings, not a quality/capacity that develops over time. I have some question about leaving in the self- qualities, because "self" is covered in the quality listed separately...such as confidence vs. needing to also have self-confidence. Hope this is helpful! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Susanne M. Alexander ( talk • contribs) 15:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I am new to wikipedia as a contributor. Eventually I would like to become one but I still do not know how to do it. So far I just want to point out that in an article about virtue something should be said about Alasdair MacIntyre or at least there should be a link to its name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pedroborator ( talk • contribs) 18:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
From the article:
This sounds like Latin's rhotacism of /s/ to me, i.e. they are the same word, but /s/ changes to /r/ in certain positions in classical Latin. Can anyone confirm or deny this? – Andyluciano 04:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The section on Buddhist virtues is pretty bare bones. I've edited it a little bit and will come back to it later when I have more time. The main edits are:
1. Deleted list of precepts (sila). These are more analogous to commandments in the Western tradition.
2. Added list of Brahmavihāra, which are a pretty close parallel to virtues as such.
I'm not sure that the Eightfold Path belongs here, since it seems to me to be more of a spiritual discipline than a list of virtues.
Mrrhum 16:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
If we understand virtue to be an embodiment of a good/beneficial/positive trait, and the result of pracice, then each and every one of the Eightfold Path are virtues in themselves. What is the result of a spiritual discipline anyways? I say leave in the Eightfold Path.
[User: FF] 13:20, December 29, 2007 —Preceding
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Yes, it depends on what you mean by "virtue", and it depends on which Buddhist school you're invoking.
However, in agreement with
Mrrhum, it is probably a logical fallacy (Sorry, offhand I can't name which one.) to cite the whole Eight-Fold Path as Buddhist virtue.
(The fallacy is where a category name is expanded to include all related but distinctly different categories.
As an extreme example, it's like saying, "Because a cat is a mammal, all mammals are cats.")
According to Theravada Buddhism, the Eightfold Path has three main parts:
See
http://www.insightmeditationcenter.org/books-articles/dhamma-lists/
Therefore the "Virtue (sila)" part of the Eightfold Path should be listed, but not the whole Path:
The person responsible for the information at the link cited above is Gil Fronsdal:
/info/en/?search=Gil_Fronsdal
I'd do the edit myself, but I'm short on time; maybe later.
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How about a bunch of information on what makes people act good and so on. Relate to happiness and lifw quality genetics and so on. This aint good enough for wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.8.148.20 ( talk) 18:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
should there be something about franklin's 13 virtues? Soyseñorsnibbles 03:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Might it be good to either expand and explain the Nietzsche quotes, or delete them altogether? I've read a bit of Nietzsche, so I'm no stranger to his thoughts, but I have a hard time understanding what he's saying in these bare-bone quotations, except that he's against 'virtue' in some way or another. Perhaps if someone wrote about his overall position on them, and then used the quotes as support? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.208.204.18 ( talk) 01:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Nietzsche has a lot of interesting things to say about virtue, but this article's summary is fairly misleading. But more importantly, hundreds of philosophers have interesting things to say about what virtue is, and Nietzsche is barely in the top twenty or thirty. Can we delete? Oh, and I would say the same for Ayn Rand, but more so. (If a writer of uneven novels can make a top N list of virtue philosophers, she would still only squeak into the top four hundred.) 128.135.208.207 ( talk) 07:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems a bit odd to me that Aristotle is only mentioned in passing in this article. His Nicomachean Ethics is rather the definitive work on the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.80.178.246 ( talk) 11:44, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Is every quran verse regarding virtue really neccasary? All other schools of thought get a bare bones explanation and then we have to wade through all these poxy religous verses in the quaran. They would be more suitable being merged with an islam article instead of forcing them on the rest of us. Get them to *%@#. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.30.37 ( talk) 14:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to include the virtue of killing and torturing infidels as portrayed in 167 verses in the quaran but it keeps getting deleted. They are real verses just like the others in the article. Its not like i am making them up. How about we show the public an unbiased view of this so called religion of peace?
VIOLENCE, KILLING AND TORTURING NON MUSLIMS
You don't understand the order of precedence in Islamic principles nor are the translations accurate. It's a bigoted fail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.7.233.241 ( talk) 01:28, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
It's just wayyy too long. Try making a separate Wikipedia article for this if you want. Condense it to a list.-- 70.74.82.114 ( talk) 09:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The section on Islam was way out of proportion to the whole; if someone wants to make an article about Islamic virtues specifically, this might be appropriate. I have removed the quotations, valuable as they are - this amounts to Original Research
In any case, throughout this article material Wikipedia:V#Reliable_sources should be sourced to a peer-reviewed study of the subjects - but especially anything controversial: "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." Hgilbert ( talk) 04:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
What has that "VirtueScience" link to do with the article, apart from the name? -- Rea, 21:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
We can split this article into 3 separate articles; Virtue, Eastern Virtues & Western Virtues. The Virtue article discusses basic virtues & vices, Eastern virtues article discusses Eastern virtues, Western virtues article discusses Western virtues.
Major clean up and easier to understand afterwards.
Phalanx Pursos —Preceding comment was added at 00:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
-- 77.31.114.130 ( talk) 18:46, 28 November 2012 (UTC)hvhigutlt ggyoy9yhrsafr5 eaaaaaaaaaaajjklutaĎĺĎÍÉÉéÃÃĥĜÈġĻÂĤġĹ== Virtue in the Christian tradition ==
The paragraph on virtue in the Christian tradition is about 2% of the story. The long history of articulating virtue via Thomas and the Scholastics is not mentioned. The omission of the Scholastic (and for that matter the Muslim) contribution to this articulation is a must for this article. If I get a chance, I can write something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.16.218.42 ( talk) 13:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
MI PIACE. MICHELE BERRETTA ( talk) 10:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
MI PIACE. MICHELE BERRETTA ( talk) 10:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
A glaring & embarrassing omission thus far. Volunteers? Wingspeed ( talk) 10:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I certainly agree with the inclusion of sections on Jewish and Muslim conceptions of virtue, but it seems a little odd to present the Pauline theological virtues (faith, hope, and charity) as if they're indifferently a part of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I mean, Jews and Muslims may very well advocate faith, and hope, and charity, among other virtues, but the specific Pauline formulation (faith-hope-charity) is unique to the Christian tradition, isn't it?
Or is it? I honestly don't know.
65.213.77.129 ( talk) 19:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Under roman virtues this links to a snail - I haven't done a lot of research nor plan to but I think this is an incorrect link. -- 2pac 2007 ( talk) 01:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Differentiate between private and public Roman virtues. See www.novaroma.org/wiki/Roman_Virtues —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.121.204.129 ( talk) 18:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm new here. I believe there is an error under Notes, #1. The link for the word "rememberance" does not appear to be correct. It links to the page for "Mnemosyne," which is not directly applicable. Also, I believe the correct spelling should be "remembrance." ( Scwik ( talk) 03:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC))
That list in old Note #1 was one of the most comprehensive I've seen. The following site has three lists that are a good starting reference: http://www.virtuesproject.com/virtues.html. -- 72.187.179.179 ( talk) 19:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
A better description of the Roman understanding of Auctoritas would be "charismatic authority" (cf. Weber's definition [1]) rather than "spiritual" authority.-- Wittsun ( talk) 19:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't have any comment on the argument about what the content of the Islam section should be, but as it stands now, the section is clearly not in the proper Wikipedia style. There are long digressions, overlong direct quotations, and it is cited improperly as well. Someone with expertise in the subject should clean this up. MysteriousS ( talk) 06:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
The use of the word "value" as a moral concept dates to the early 20th century (see for instance http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=value), thus to talk of, for instance, Christian or Aristotelian virtues in respect to values is a complete anachronism. The ancients never thought of morality in terms of (subjective) values as far as I am aware. Value ethics is very modern, but the article seems to imply it as a universal. The page "Virtue_ethics" mentions "value" not once. Moon Oracle ( talk) 14:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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'Post 9/11, the words of Rabbi Hillel are frequently quoted in public lectures and interviews around the world by the prominent writer on comparative religion Karen Armstrong.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.253.96.70 ( talk) 07:23, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I think this issue should be protected from not registered user's edits, it does not sound trustworthy with so much spam. It is hard sometimes to distinguish between edits - which is real spam, half spam or just unsourced or doubtful as a stance. I think regular editors who are registered and with more experience should be given the opportunity to work on the issue without the mess in the editions that is going on by now. -- Aleksd ( talk) 09:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
This article can be improved by acknowledging that virtue refers to many forms of human excellence, not only moral excellence. Other forms of excellence certainly include intellectual excellence (see, for example, the intellectual virtues) and others. Thanks! -- Lbeaumont ( talk) 15:04, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Why has the writer overlooked the word’s etymology? Not out of considerations of political correctness, may we hope? Indeed, the word’s evolution from its root meaning of warlike manliness into a synonym for female chastity has often been commented on as one of the lexicological wonders of the world. Orthotox ( talk) 23:50, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Where did List of virtues go? It was fine a few months ago.
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I really need to review the list of vices. 174.16.98.178 ( talk) 23:32, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
I would like to ask why Chinese Taoists virture is not here please. Also Budo can be tracked back to China through Confucian and Taoists connection's. Shenqijing ( talk) 23:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Zen Buddhism has its connection through Chan Buddhism in China. Shenqijing ( talk) 23:14, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
I have added Alchemy as also a historical connection. Will need more work Shenqijing ( talk) 03:23, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
I would like to question the meaning of virture that is put forward as it's explanation. Virtue is neither good nor bad. It is a principle and therefore not subjective. I think that we need to understand excess and deficiency first. Shenqijing ( talk) 03:33, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
I have included the Chinese De (/də/; Chinese: 德) for vertue and also included the Wiki link. Shenqijing ( talk) 10:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
I have added : another example of this the notion is Merit in Asian traditions Shenqijing ( talk) 03:46, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
The definition of virtue needs to be expounded, I can see potential problems for attachment to strong values. Virtue like in health of body and mind needs to be flexable or there can be no homeostatic rebound of our immune system in our body or empathy in our mind. last but not least virtue is not worldly uposed to morality no one can hold them, or that leaves humanity open to other horrible acts against each other vast on right mind or view. Please reply 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Shenqijing ( talk) 05:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello, new to edditing, just added "For the Chinese the rudimentary study of Yin and Yang was the encapsulation of this philosophical approach to critical thinking and rationality.". Just included this with a link to yin and yang. It just got reverted, new to editing, what went wrong and how can I improve this entry to the page.@ Pfhorrest: Sntmichael ( talk) 08:03, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Some other user has reverted it (ie. removed the edits manually). Their justification for that action was "removal of unhelpful, unsourced, self-published assessment of virtue". It is difficult to truly say the list is unhelpful for 8 billion people on earth and what is helpful for some may not be helpful for others depending on our abilities. Unsourced may not be relevant for creativity and new light in seeing things. Self-published is not a problem for a contemporary writer who means to add contemporary relevance to old issues. The edit might have been hastily removed. Most of the contributions in this article are from European and Asian sources. My edit was an African contribution and the most contemporary contribution as well as a broad and succinct contribution. I think it can be accommodated. An African voice matters.-- Theresa John ( talk) 21:45, 3 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theresa John ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
I'll say up-front that I have no issues with Nova Roma or any disagreement with any of the virtues listed in this article. I would like to think I conform to at least some of them. That said, I'm not a member of Nova Roma either, or affiliated with them.
I raise this only to explain my position, as I want to ask whether a page on Nova Roma is a sufficient source for these listed virtues as having been recognised in ancient Rome? There's only one citation marker in the Roman Virtues section and it goes to a page on Nova Roma's site that doesn't appear - as far as I can see - to link to any historical sources.
Again, I like the virtues. It's a good list. But where does it come from? - Marcia Nemoris ( talk) 14:13, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
This is a secular Global Grassroots Association founded in British Columbia, Canada (1991) by 3 individuals: Dr. Dan Popov, his wife Linda Kavelin-Popov and her brother John Kavelin. Linda's first *book The Family Virtues Guide was shared in 30 countries within 3 months and has now been taught in over 120 countries. Established as a Non-Profit Association (2012) receiving financial support through Global Giving, Facilitator Membership & donation. Ethos: to create caring community culture; Techne: by teaching 5 strategies that help to bring out the best in ourselves & each other. Discover what's good @ The Virtues Project website (Many FREE resources incl lists of virtues for home, classrooms & community.
*MORE BOOKS on Virtue - Published by Founder; Linda Kavelin-Popov: The Family Virtues Guide; The Virtue's Project Educator's Guide; Sacred Moments; A Pace of Grace; Graceful Endings; A Scent of Sage; Dreaming at the Crossroads of Change & ... is currently writing.
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