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I'll try to ignore the obvious antisemitism that influenced some of the editors of this article (see talk section "Arab Jews is a controversial term...")
Arab Jews is, as the page states, not the default term used to describe Jews from the Arab world. It is highly controversial (there's an entire section devoted to "criticism") and nearly always ideological. This page should open in a similar style to queer or Yankee.
I know that technically this doesn't matter on this site, but seeing this, as someone with a Baghdadi family, is insulting and ridiculous. A term used by Arab nationalists to refer to their countries' Jews, and not used at all by 99% of those Jews themselves, should not be described as a a neutral term. Eladabudi ( talk) 16:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
To editor Free1Soul: Please restore the infobox, in-line 'citation needed' tags and dead link tags that you removed in (these edits). You provided no reason for removing the infobox, a critical and well-sourced component of the article. Your reasons for removing the dead link tagging are also unclear (note for instance the clearly dead Voice of America source that you removed the dead link tag from). You also provided no explanation for removing several 'citation needed' tags in instances where no further citation has been provided. You should also not unilaterally remove disputed neutrality tags from articles when the neutrality is so clearly the source of dispute, and where the only changes made since the application of the tag are your own nonconsensual edits. Iskandar323 ( talk) 07:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, I have performed a massive rewrite of this piece to re-orient this page back towards its purpose as a page about "a term", the origins of the term, its recent political usage and the key criticisms against it, and away from being an article about Jewish community demographics, Mizrahi Jews or post-Zionism, none of which it should be about, and all of which have their own pages. As the section on origins and journal references hopefully make clear, the term 'Arab Jews' has been used as a term in academic literature long before the emergence of any post-Zionist critique or any other intellectual trends. Iskandar323 ( talk) 12:51, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
"reject the Arab Jew definer as representing their own identity", while Yehouda and Hannan note
"very few Jews of Arab descent, in Israel, would label themselves Arab Jews"so based on the sources available, the use of the phrase 'self-identify' is clearly an entirely representative phrasing that is completely consistent with the sources. What is the difference between call oneself and self-identify? Iskandar323 ( talk) 18:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
I've just added the most original and totally self-generated part of my previous re-write that is based on a combination of existing sources within this piece along with a few extra books and journals. This work doesn't interfere with anyone else's existing edits or content, but plugs the massive, gaping hole on this page that is begging for an explanation as to the origins of the term that the page is actually supposed to be all about. Thoughts everyone? Iskandar323 ( talk) 16:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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This is false information, Jews in Arab countries do not identify themselves as Arabs, and they lived in separate communities conducting a Jewish way of life and did not embraced Arab culture and customs. Especially in north Africa when most Jews settled after being exiled from Spain and Portugal. Although all Jews are indigenous to Israel, there are sub groups of Mizrahi Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardic Jews, East Asia Jews, Indians Jews. But there is no Arabic Jews. An Arab Jew is a decent of mixed ethnicities. People who are supporting the use of this term are using it usually to insults Jews that are not Europeans, and by doing that, act in a very racist way (towards both groups!) This should not be published and need to be reported and removed in order tp keep Vikipedia credibility. 49.182.83.224 ( talk) 15:00, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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Hello, there is an error: epistemologic is badly spelt. Kammback ( talk) 15:26, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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ATTENTION, >>>>>Duplicated lines!!!!!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The term "Arab Jews" was used during the First World War by Jews of Middle Eastern origin living in Western countries, to support their case that they were not Turks and should not be treated as enemy aliens.[17][better source needed] Today the term is sometimes used by newspapers[which?] and official bodies in some countries,[where?] to express the belief that Jewish identity is a matter of religion rather than ethnicity or nationality. Many Jews disagree with this, do not use the term and, where it appears to them to be calculated to deny the existence of a distinct Jewish identity in favour of reducing the Jewish diaspora to a religious entity, even consider it offensive.[18][19] However, some Mizrahi activists, particularly those not born in Arab countries or who emigrated from them at a very young age, define themselves as Arab Jews.[citation needed] Notable writers on Arab-Jewish identity include Naeim Giladi, Ella Habiba Shohat, Sami Shalom Chetrit and David Rabeeya.
According to Salim Tamari, the term Arab Jew generally referred to a period of history when some Eastern Jews (Sephardic and Mizrahi) identified with the Arab national movement that emerged in the lead up to the dismantlement of the Ottoman empire, as early as the Ottoman administrative reforms of 1839, owing to shared language and culture with their Muslim and Christian compatriots in Ottoman Syria, Iraq, and Egypt.[4] Kammback ( talk) 15:37, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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16:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)"In recent decades, some Jews have self-identified as Arab Jews, such as Ella Shohat, who uses the term in contrast to the Zionist establishment's categorization of Jews as either Ashkenazim or Mizrahim; the latter, she believes, have been oppressed as the Arabs have."
This paragraph is confusing. It seems to state as a fact that Arab Muslims have been oppressed (even saying to the extent of Mizrahi Jews), though this contradicts the vast majority, if not all, of Middle East history.
Arab Muslims have historically been the oppressors of Jews, Christians, and any other religion they ruled over. As the colonizers of the entirety of the Middle East and large portions of Africa, I fail to understand how this sentence is even remotely accurate. 24.24.163.139 ( talk) 06:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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I'll try to ignore the obvious antisemitism that influenced some of the editors of this article (see talk section "Arab Jews is a controversial term...")
Arab Jews is, as the page states, not the default term used to describe Jews from the Arab world. It is highly controversial (there's an entire section devoted to "criticism") and nearly always ideological. This page should open in a similar style to queer or Yankee.
I know that technically this doesn't matter on this site, but seeing this, as someone with a Baghdadi family, is insulting and ridiculous. A term used by Arab nationalists to refer to their countries' Jews, and not used at all by 99% of those Jews themselves, should not be described as a a neutral term. Eladabudi ( talk) 16:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
To editor Free1Soul: Please restore the infobox, in-line 'citation needed' tags and dead link tags that you removed in (these edits). You provided no reason for removing the infobox, a critical and well-sourced component of the article. Your reasons for removing the dead link tagging are also unclear (note for instance the clearly dead Voice of America source that you removed the dead link tag from). You also provided no explanation for removing several 'citation needed' tags in instances where no further citation has been provided. You should also not unilaterally remove disputed neutrality tags from articles when the neutrality is so clearly the source of dispute, and where the only changes made since the application of the tag are your own nonconsensual edits. Iskandar323 ( talk) 07:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, I have performed a massive rewrite of this piece to re-orient this page back towards its purpose as a page about "a term", the origins of the term, its recent political usage and the key criticisms against it, and away from being an article about Jewish community demographics, Mizrahi Jews or post-Zionism, none of which it should be about, and all of which have their own pages. As the section on origins and journal references hopefully make clear, the term 'Arab Jews' has been used as a term in academic literature long before the emergence of any post-Zionist critique or any other intellectual trends. Iskandar323 ( talk) 12:51, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
"reject the Arab Jew definer as representing their own identity", while Yehouda and Hannan note
"very few Jews of Arab descent, in Israel, would label themselves Arab Jews"so based on the sources available, the use of the phrase 'self-identify' is clearly an entirely representative phrasing that is completely consistent with the sources. What is the difference between call oneself and self-identify? Iskandar323 ( talk) 18:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
I've just added the most original and totally self-generated part of my previous re-write that is based on a combination of existing sources within this piece along with a few extra books and journals. This work doesn't interfere with anyone else's existing edits or content, but plugs the massive, gaping hole on this page that is begging for an explanation as to the origins of the term that the page is actually supposed to be all about. Thoughts everyone? Iskandar323 ( talk) 16:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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This is false information, Jews in Arab countries do not identify themselves as Arabs, and they lived in separate communities conducting a Jewish way of life and did not embraced Arab culture and customs. Especially in north Africa when most Jews settled after being exiled from Spain and Portugal. Although all Jews are indigenous to Israel, there are sub groups of Mizrahi Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardic Jews, East Asia Jews, Indians Jews. But there is no Arabic Jews. An Arab Jew is a decent of mixed ethnicities. People who are supporting the use of this term are using it usually to insults Jews that are not Europeans, and by doing that, act in a very racist way (towards both groups!) This should not be published and need to be reported and removed in order tp keep Vikipedia credibility. 49.182.83.224 ( talk) 15:00, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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Hello, there is an error: epistemologic is badly spelt. Kammback ( talk) 15:26, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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ATTENTION, >>>>>Duplicated lines!!!!!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The term "Arab Jews" was used during the First World War by Jews of Middle Eastern origin living in Western countries, to support their case that they were not Turks and should not be treated as enemy aliens.[17][better source needed] Today the term is sometimes used by newspapers[which?] and official bodies in some countries,[where?] to express the belief that Jewish identity is a matter of religion rather than ethnicity or nationality. Many Jews disagree with this, do not use the term and, where it appears to them to be calculated to deny the existence of a distinct Jewish identity in favour of reducing the Jewish diaspora to a religious entity, even consider it offensive.[18][19] However, some Mizrahi activists, particularly those not born in Arab countries or who emigrated from them at a very young age, define themselves as Arab Jews.[citation needed] Notable writers on Arab-Jewish identity include Naeim Giladi, Ella Habiba Shohat, Sami Shalom Chetrit and David Rabeeya.
According to Salim Tamari, the term Arab Jew generally referred to a period of history when some Eastern Jews (Sephardic and Mizrahi) identified with the Arab national movement that emerged in the lead up to the dismantlement of the Ottoman empire, as early as the Ottoman administrative reforms of 1839, owing to shared language and culture with their Muslim and Christian compatriots in Ottoman Syria, Iraq, and Egypt.[4] Kammback ( talk) 15:37, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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16:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)"In recent decades, some Jews have self-identified as Arab Jews, such as Ella Shohat, who uses the term in contrast to the Zionist establishment's categorization of Jews as either Ashkenazim or Mizrahim; the latter, she believes, have been oppressed as the Arabs have."
This paragraph is confusing. It seems to state as a fact that Arab Muslims have been oppressed (even saying to the extent of Mizrahi Jews), though this contradicts the vast majority, if not all, of Middle East history.
Arab Muslims have historically been the oppressors of Jews, Christians, and any other religion they ruled over. As the colonizers of the entirety of the Middle East and large portions of Africa, I fail to understand how this sentence is even remotely accurate. 24.24.163.139 ( talk) 06:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)