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How is Apple Cobbler a variant of Apple Crisp? The two are very different dishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.8.106 ( talk) 08:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
The headline says:
So, "apple crumble" is just the UK name for a crisp? OK. But then, under "Variants":
So it's a variant that's… exactly the same thing? In fact, it's not even a variant, because the section lead says:
(So why is it called "Variants" if these aren't variants, anyway?) Meanwhile, crumble has its own article, linked under See also, which tells you that a crumble is also known as a brown betty! But here, a Brown Betty is described as a completely different dessert:
Meanwhile, if you look at the cobbler page, it says, "NOTE: The crisp and crumble differ from the cobbler in that the formers' top layers are generally made with oatmeal." Which directly contradicts what the crisp and crumble pages say.
From my own knowledge: a crisp and a brown betty are distinct variants on the cobbler, and the crumble is just a specific kind of crisp. Both substitute something sweet that crisps as it bakes for the batter crust, which can be anything from streusel to oatmenal-brown sugar to soaked crackers. The distinction is that a crisp has a single layer of topping that seals the filling; the brown betty has multiple interspersed layers where the filling seeps into the interior layers. A crumble is a crisp specifically using streusel or something very similar, like on a crumb coffee cake. Brits are familiar with crumbles in exactly that sense (whether they invented it independently during WWII or borrowed it, I have no idea). If shown an oatmeal-based crisp, or a brown betty, or any of the other American cobbler variants, they won't consider it the same dish as a crumble (but won't think it's some weird and inedible thing, either). Also, some Americans call some or all these things kinds of pies (so you may have an "apple crumble pie"), but others find that confusing (is it a crumble, or a pie?); most Brits would call all of them puddings, which Americans find even more confusing.
I may be wrong about this, and even if I'm not, my own memory is certainly not a reliable source. But someone should do the research to figure out how to make these pages not contradict themselves and each other at every step. (And maybe there shouldn't be so many separate pages for minor variations on the same idea?) -- 50.0.128.185 ( talk) 18:17, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I am making a point that an American assimilation of a very different dish is not acceptable. They are yards apart. The point of the British crumble is that it does precisely that: it crumbles -- it is not "crisp".
A British crumble topping does not contain oats. It is simply, flour, butter, sugar. The picture shows anything but. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:2002:2F8:A2BE:898D:DE06:F757:A6D5 ( talk) 06:47, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
To further explain: A crumble topping comprises much less sugar, as the point is not to produce a overwhelmingly-caramelized top. To wit: the crumble has a typically 1:1 or (at most) 5:4 sugar-to-flour ratio. By comparison, a crisp has typically a 16:1 sugar-to-flour ratio (i.e. 16 times more sugar, 16 times less flour as compared to the crumble)
And, just as another post takes exception to apple cobbler being assimilated here, I make the same point re the British Apple Crumble. It is British, and it is made from cooking apples i.e. Bramley (which is a sour apple) ---- and not Granny Smith which is a hard eating apple (i.e., relatively unsweet, but not sour) bearing a non-oat crumble topping, which has a much lower sugar-to-flour ratio than a "crisp".
It's like saying Turkish Sigara Boregi should be assimilated into the cheese twist category because, let's face it, both are made of a type of puff pastry and both comprise cheese. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:2002:2f8:a2be:898d:de06:f757:a6d5 ( talk • contribs) 07:49, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
References
Canada does not use the term Apple Crisp- maybe on boxes of the dessert frozen, but not in day to day usage. It's usually apple crumble, when referring to the dish with or without oats.
Additionally, there's a pretty large difference between Apple Crumble and Apple Crisp, and they should be seperate pages. Not to mention the baffling addition of a cobbler on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spanderson96 ( talk • contribs) 19:13, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
I suggested that this article be split into two articles each titled Apple crisp and Apple crumble, per WP:CONSPLIT. -- Melsj ( talk) 01:38, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Does the lead image appear to have a bottom pie crust to anyone else's eyes? If so, that's probably a apple pie with streusel topping, not an apple crisp. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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How is Apple Cobbler a variant of Apple Crisp? The two are very different dishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.8.106 ( talk) 08:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
The headline says:
So, "apple crumble" is just the UK name for a crisp? OK. But then, under "Variants":
So it's a variant that's… exactly the same thing? In fact, it's not even a variant, because the section lead says:
(So why is it called "Variants" if these aren't variants, anyway?) Meanwhile, crumble has its own article, linked under See also, which tells you that a crumble is also known as a brown betty! But here, a Brown Betty is described as a completely different dessert:
Meanwhile, if you look at the cobbler page, it says, "NOTE: The crisp and crumble differ from the cobbler in that the formers' top layers are generally made with oatmeal." Which directly contradicts what the crisp and crumble pages say.
From my own knowledge: a crisp and a brown betty are distinct variants on the cobbler, and the crumble is just a specific kind of crisp. Both substitute something sweet that crisps as it bakes for the batter crust, which can be anything from streusel to oatmenal-brown sugar to soaked crackers. The distinction is that a crisp has a single layer of topping that seals the filling; the brown betty has multiple interspersed layers where the filling seeps into the interior layers. A crumble is a crisp specifically using streusel or something very similar, like on a crumb coffee cake. Brits are familiar with crumbles in exactly that sense (whether they invented it independently during WWII or borrowed it, I have no idea). If shown an oatmeal-based crisp, or a brown betty, or any of the other American cobbler variants, they won't consider it the same dish as a crumble (but won't think it's some weird and inedible thing, either). Also, some Americans call some or all these things kinds of pies (so you may have an "apple crumble pie"), but others find that confusing (is it a crumble, or a pie?); most Brits would call all of them puddings, which Americans find even more confusing.
I may be wrong about this, and even if I'm not, my own memory is certainly not a reliable source. But someone should do the research to figure out how to make these pages not contradict themselves and each other at every step. (And maybe there shouldn't be so many separate pages for minor variations on the same idea?) -- 50.0.128.185 ( talk) 18:17, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I am making a point that an American assimilation of a very different dish is not acceptable. They are yards apart. The point of the British crumble is that it does precisely that: it crumbles -- it is not "crisp".
A British crumble topping does not contain oats. It is simply, flour, butter, sugar. The picture shows anything but. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:2002:2F8:A2BE:898D:DE06:F757:A6D5 ( talk) 06:47, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
To further explain: A crumble topping comprises much less sugar, as the point is not to produce a overwhelmingly-caramelized top. To wit: the crumble has a typically 1:1 or (at most) 5:4 sugar-to-flour ratio. By comparison, a crisp has typically a 16:1 sugar-to-flour ratio (i.e. 16 times more sugar, 16 times less flour as compared to the crumble)
And, just as another post takes exception to apple cobbler being assimilated here, I make the same point re the British Apple Crumble. It is British, and it is made from cooking apples i.e. Bramley (which is a sour apple) ---- and not Granny Smith which is a hard eating apple (i.e., relatively unsweet, but not sour) bearing a non-oat crumble topping, which has a much lower sugar-to-flour ratio than a "crisp".
It's like saying Turkish Sigara Boregi should be assimilated into the cheese twist category because, let's face it, both are made of a type of puff pastry and both comprise cheese. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:2002:2f8:a2be:898d:de06:f757:a6d5 ( talk • contribs) 07:49, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
References
Canada does not use the term Apple Crisp- maybe on boxes of the dessert frozen, but not in day to day usage. It's usually apple crumble, when referring to the dish with or without oats.
Additionally, there's a pretty large difference between Apple Crumble and Apple Crisp, and they should be seperate pages. Not to mention the baffling addition of a cobbler on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spanderson96 ( talk • contribs) 19:13, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
I suggested that this article be split into two articles each titled Apple crisp and Apple crumble, per WP:CONSPLIT. -- Melsj ( talk) 01:38, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Does the lead image appear to have a bottom pie crust to anyone else's eyes? If so, that's probably a apple pie with streusel topping, not an apple crisp. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)