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Start of reviewHi, I'll be reviewing this article. The rules for GA reviews are stated at Good Article criteria. I haven't reviewed a great many good articles, but considering the backlog (and for selfish reasons, since I currently have a GAN), I thought I'd chip in. Different reviewers have their own style; I thought I'd go through the criteria and assess how this article satisfies them. I'm happy to review this article; I'm a big fan of Ohno. -- Christine ( talk) 17:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Criteria 1: Well-written
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Broad in its coverage:(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and This article, for the most part, satisfies this criteria. My only issues are the DWTS section, which may go into too much unnecessary detail, and "Personal Life" and "Selected events" sections. I personally have problems with naming current BFFs and girlfriends in an encyclopedic article (and I think that the BLP policy back me up on that). I also think that the one line about Ohno's award could be placed in another section, like in "Post-Olympic hiatus and return". -- Christine ( talk) 21:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks for the opportunity of reviewing this article. I learned a great deal about a very interesting individual. It's important to keep in the information about Ohno's "past", and how his dad and his sport helped him get past his "teenage rebellion". -- Christine ( talk) 22:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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Apolo started at the auburn skating rink and moved to team Extream soon later.He won third at nationals one year on team Extream. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.116.176.216 ( talk) 22:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Did Apolo Ohno's father really name him after the words "Ap" and "Lo" and not just after the Greek God, Apollo? This seems hard to believe. 128.36.163.129 ( talk) 15:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)CPL
This seems fanciful to say the least. I did some Greek at school 40+ years ago and I don't recognize thse words. I tried απ and λω in an online Greek dictionary in both Ancient and Modern Greek and got nothing except απ = from. I think Dad was pulling someone's leg. Cross Reference ( talk) 04:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
The link for cross-tracking points to the Rules section of Short_track_speed_skating is dead because there is no Rules section on that page; in fact there is no explanation of the term on that page. The term needs definition and explanation here, or a new link. Thanks. Tweet7 ( talk) 02:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
"With three laps remaining and currently in second position, Ohno attempted make to pass on the leader Kim, who then drifted to the inside and as a result, Ohno raised his arms to signal he was blocked. " Enigma msg 06:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Grammar error: "Capitalizing on Ohno's fame, Alaska Airlines were his". Should be "was".
I am removing this paragraph that was added:
In an interview after the race, Ohno said he was initially hoping, that all three South Koreans would be disqualified. This comment provoked many Koreans including the winning Lee Jung-su, who said: "Ohno didn’t deserve to stand on the same medal podium." 1 2
Because, the unsigned Korean Times article does not even quote Ohno, and actually misrepresents his post-race comments. What Ohno said on the televised interview was, "I was expecting more disqualifications from the race. It was a crazy first race but it turned out well". 3 So, the Korean Times article is not reliable. Also, the Korean Times attributes the quote to Yonhap News, which doesn't even have the quote either. Fails reliable source; further reading on this intentional misrepresenting of his post-race comments can be found here. on camera (t) 00:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Please read carefully. Nobody said the Reuters article said anything about Ohno being an "ungentlemanly sportsman" and about his excessive pushing. The Korea Times article says that. It is also stated in this Chosun Times article (the exact same quotes, but in Korean): http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/02/14/2010021400182.html
I hope you don't discriminate against these articles because they are Korean. As you may know, Wikipedia allows non-English sources for English language articles. If you can't read the Korean language, then you can use a translator like Babelfish: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
Are you saying that Lee didn't make those comments? Can you prove that? Lee specifically said that Ohno did not deserve to stand on the podium and that Ohno was using his arms too aggressively. Have you seen the footage? It's appalling, in my opinion, and definitely not fairplay. This is especially true in consideration of Ohno's previous complaints about other skaters' actions during races.-- Sir Edgar ( talk) 03:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-features/news/newsid=423575.html
Thanks for your post. I hope by seeing other media sources, you can perhaps see another perspective. You and I live in different parts of the world. It's good to share information for a more balanced perspective. Anyhow, I think this issue deserves its own header because Ohno has had so much controversy throughout his career. Is he a good skater? Absolutely. But I'm not sure he would have had as much success if he relied on his skating skill alone. I am going to leave both Ohno's and Lee's comments intact. The article will constantly change throughout the competition and after. Whether we are here or not. That's Wikipedia.-- Sir Edgar ( talk) 04:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
By the way, the 1500m race issue is not about anti-Americanism. It's about what Ohno said and what Lee said after the race.-- Sir Edgar ( talk) 04:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
After a disqualification in the 500 m race,[24] he was leading the skaters in the 1000 m race; during a turn around the final corner, Ahn Hyun Soo fell while attempting to pass Ohno and Li Jiajun on the inside, causing Ohno, Li, and Mathieu Turcotte to crash into the barriers.
This para needs to be corrected. Watch the slow motion. Here is how it goes. As the skater approach the final turn, Li Jiajun tries to pass Ohno on the outside. Ohno tries to block Li out with an elevated arm. Ahn sees the opportunity to pass inside while Ohno is preoccupied with Li. Li spirals off course but Ohno is also unbalanced as him and Ahn make the final turn. Ohno is hopelessly trying to stay balanced and not deviate from the inside lane where Ahn is almost certain to pass him. Ohno is going down already and while doing so, his wrist clips Ahn's ankle/shin Ahn falls and takes Turcotte behind him.
The biggest winner here is Bradbury obviously. 2nd biggest winner is Ohno. It seemed like Ohno was hard done by as it looked like Ahn had taken the whole field out. Ohno never ever complained about Ahn. He knew he was the cause of it all and knowing Ohno's antics he would have cried foul if he felt 0.1% hard done by. Ohno should have been DQ'd too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinu4ever ( talk • contribs) 09:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
how can you say the sentence is neutral? what's black is black and what's white is white. Ahn doesn't cause Li to fall. Li slings off the track as they go into the turn. Ohno's left arm causes Ahn to fall. my source is purely from the analysis of video clips. I'm sure you'll have access to this. Bradbury saying "heading into the final turn, i see the Chinese guy fall. I set up my final turn and in the corner of my eyes i see the other three tuggle...." (this is a primary source by the way) [ [1]] If you can't get a simple observation right i don't know hom much merit is in your article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinu4ever ( talk • contribs) 23:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Uh, this is not true at all. Ahn's pass directly cause the collision. I don't know what video you are watching but what you're saying is incorrect. I will grant you this: Li's fall is questionable but Ahn 100% caused Turcotte and Ohno to fall. Even if his arm caused Ahn to fall, it's still Ahn's fault as he still tried to pass. Ohno was already leaning out of the turn so if he would've "moved his arm to let Ahn pass", he would've fallen; Ohno clearly had the right of way...because he was already in front of Ahn for the entire last lap!-- 70.246.130.36 ( talk) 04:49, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok. Let's take back all subjective arguments from both sides as you seem to a "let's talk based on facts" type of person, ie Ohno's fault or Ahn's fault - we can't conclude as we don't have conclusive evidence. However, let's go back to the fact books. Ahn wasn't disqualified from the race (was placed 4th with a valid time). Li was and hence, based on this, Li was at fault and he caused the pile up. So your argument "Ahn 100% caused Turcotte and Ohno to fall" is completely and utterly false. I don't know where you got that from. So i insist that the sentence be corrected simply to.. After a disqualification in the 500 m race,[24] he was leading the skaters in the 1000 m race; during a turn around the final corner, Li fell while attempting to pass Ohno on the outside, causing Ohno, Ahn, and Mathieu Turcotte to crash into the barriers. Hope that does it...and since you seem to be updating this article as the events in Vancouver unfold why not add another sentence somewhere saying "Ohno is not good enough to beat the Koreans for a gold medal" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.169.121 ( talk) 07:17, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
what is the name of the hairpiece on ohnos chin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.82.232.136 ( talk) 06:18, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
It is called a soul patch. Women do not like it (see an article called 10 things to something ruin a date and make women run away - title name not exact). Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 16:36, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
The two intro paragraphs need to be updated to the below...
Apolo Anton Ohno (pronounced /əˈpɒloʊ ˈæntɒn ˈoʊnoʊ/; born May 22, 1982) is an American short track speed skating competitor and a seven-time medalist (two gold, two silver, three bronze) in the Winter Olympics.
Ohno has won seven Olympic medals over his career and is one of only four Americans who have won three medals in a single Winter Olympic games.[3] He surpassed Bonnie Blair for most career medals at the Winter Games by an American in the 2010 Vancouver Olympics.[4] He has been the reigning United States’ champion since 2001 and has won the men's national title a total of 12 times.[4] In December 1999, he became the youngest skater to win a World Cup event title, and became the first American to win a World Cup overall title in 2001.[4][5] In 2008, Ohno won his first overall World Championship title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcurtis ( talk • contribs) 04:24, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
The comment Lee Jung-su made is alleged. If it's going to be included it needs to be the direct quote from said Korean media outlet. Since it isn't, it's just heresay.-- 70.246.130.36 ( talk) 04:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
The following sentence needs editing: When the South Korean team scored a goal against the U.S. team, many spectators made a move imitating the (some felt to be exaggerated) move Ohno had made during the speed skating event to indicate the other athlete had drifted into his lane. It was not the spectators but rather the Korean players on the field who celebrated after scoring their equalizer against the US by mocking Ohno. Watch the match review on Youtube starting from 3:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDd-UBL4Njo The player imitating Kim is Ahn Jung Hwan and Ohno Lee Chun Soo. The two are very famous footballers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stjdot ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
The current text states:
The basis of this is apparently this single line from the AP report. [2]
The same article was then reprinted by CNNSi, NYTimes, etc. The AP article and the current Wikipedia text are putting the blame for the pile-up squarely on Ahn. However, other media sources give other, conflicting stories.
The Seattle Times, February 18, 2006 says [3]:
St. Petersburg Times, February 17, 2002 says [4]:
Since the media sources cannot agree on or are unclear about how exactly the crash occurred, I think the text should be changed to a completely neutral description. How about something like...
Boomer69j ( talk) 05:13, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Completely Agree, although i believe Seattle Times story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.169.121 ( talk) 11:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
How can an entry for a sportsman in a marginal discipline like speed skating be this long? There's barely enough justification for a stub, let alone this epic tale of utter irrelevance. Ninety (90) footnotes. This is insane.
For example: 'In Salt Lake City, Utah, Ohno emerged as a popular athlete among American fans for reportedly charming them with his cheerful attitude and laid-back style.[23]' How can that possibly be of any interest? Wikipedia urgently needs a word limit, like a comment box, where only so many characters are available and entries automatically cut off when the limit is reached. Sartoresartus ( talk) 02:01, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
For the 500m final for the 2010 winter olympics, it currently says:
However, he was disqualified after impeding Francois-Louis Tremblay of Canada around the final turn.
Is that really the most objective way to cover this? The article used for the reference refers to him actually causing Tremblay to fall. This little
sports illustrated article does the same. They actually phrased it:
On the final lap, he tried to cut inside Canada's Francois-Louis Tremblay for a clean pass. Instead, he made contact with Tremblay, taking him out of the race.
Wouldn't it make more sense to cover it as the references do? Or, at the very least, to acknowledge that he was faulted for causing a fall, rather than claiming that he 'impeded' another skater? (I've yet to hear any proper reference refer to it as 'impeding')
It also seems like it would be better to include his comments on the decision, including, "You know, it's the head Canadian referee out there and there were two Canadians in the race.". It just seems that, if him crossing the line second is worth mentioning, and his disqualification is worth mentioning, then so are his comments on the matter?
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Currently the article says "He is the most decorated American Winter Olympic athlete of all time". Is that true? Nobody from Canada or any of the other subcontinents of america with more medals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.84.107 ( talk) 05:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, do we want to mention anywhere in here that he ran the 2011 NYC Marathon? I have a source: that Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 16:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
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There has been a recent edit war regarding the "Business controversy" section. This details a lawsuit filed against Ohno and some business partners that has not yet been litigated. In the spirit of neutrality, I support the suppression of this information until either a) the litigation has occurred and Ohno is found culpable; or b) the ongoing litigation has some serious long-term effect on Ohno's life or career. Since the suit was filed only recently, it is still too soon to claim that (b) is true, and (a) is patently not yet true. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 21:18, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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I'd like to request an edit of the ff:
Remove this line under the 'Business' section:
"Business lawsuit
In Kang et al v. Hybrid Trade Limited et al, Apolo Ohno, Rod Jao, Eugenio Pugliese, Henry Liu, as well as three companies they allegedly founded, Hybrid Trade Limited, Allysian Sciences, and Asia Digital Exchange, are named in a complaint filed in California on August 13, 2021. The plaintiffs allege that Ohno and the other defendants misappropriated $50 million USD in digital tokens that was raised. The claim against Ohno and the defendants includes securities fraud, negligent misrepresentation, breach of contract, promissory fraud, unjust enrichment, fraudulent conveyance, and the sale of unregistered securities. The documents submitted allege that in the first six months of 2018 the defendants offered and sold digital tokens and raised approximately $50 million USD from a variety of investors around the world including those in the United States. As the token raise, or "ICO", was never registered with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission, it violated American securities laws."
I have seen discussions about this on the talk page and edit history as well. I don't see the need to include this allegation as this can be a false claim only or not 100% factual. This can contribute to the defamation of the subject. Amelia0105 ( talk) 06:11, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
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Start of reviewHi, I'll be reviewing this article. The rules for GA reviews are stated at Good Article criteria. I haven't reviewed a great many good articles, but considering the backlog (and for selfish reasons, since I currently have a GAN), I thought I'd chip in. Different reviewers have their own style; I thought I'd go through the criteria and assess how this article satisfies them. I'm happy to review this article; I'm a big fan of Ohno. -- Christine ( talk) 17:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Criteria 1: Well-written
Factually accurate and verifiable(a) it provides references to all sources of information in the section(s) dedicated to the attribution of these sources according to the
guide to layout;
Broad in its coverage:(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and This article, for the most part, satisfies this criteria. My only issues are the DWTS section, which may go into too much unnecessary detail, and "Personal Life" and "Selected events" sections. I personally have problems with naming current BFFs and girlfriends in an encyclopedic article (and I think that the BLP policy back me up on that). I also think that the one line about Ohno's award could be placed in another section, like in "Post-Olympic hiatus and return". -- Christine ( talk) 21:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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Illustrated, if possible, by images:
Thanks for the opportunity of reviewing this article. I learned a great deal about a very interesting individual. It's important to keep in the information about Ohno's "past", and how his dad and his sport helped him get past his "teenage rebellion". -- Christine ( talk) 22:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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Apolo started at the auburn skating rink and moved to team Extream soon later.He won third at nationals one year on team Extream. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.116.176.216 ( talk) 22:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Did Apolo Ohno's father really name him after the words "Ap" and "Lo" and not just after the Greek God, Apollo? This seems hard to believe. 128.36.163.129 ( talk) 15:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)CPL
This seems fanciful to say the least. I did some Greek at school 40+ years ago and I don't recognize thse words. I tried απ and λω in an online Greek dictionary in both Ancient and Modern Greek and got nothing except απ = from. I think Dad was pulling someone's leg. Cross Reference ( talk) 04:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
The link for cross-tracking points to the Rules section of Short_track_speed_skating is dead because there is no Rules section on that page; in fact there is no explanation of the term on that page. The term needs definition and explanation here, or a new link. Thanks. Tweet7 ( talk) 02:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
"With three laps remaining and currently in second position, Ohno attempted make to pass on the leader Kim, who then drifted to the inside and as a result, Ohno raised his arms to signal he was blocked. " Enigma msg 06:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Grammar error: "Capitalizing on Ohno's fame, Alaska Airlines were his". Should be "was".
I am removing this paragraph that was added:
In an interview after the race, Ohno said he was initially hoping, that all three South Koreans would be disqualified. This comment provoked many Koreans including the winning Lee Jung-su, who said: "Ohno didn’t deserve to stand on the same medal podium." 1 2
Because, the unsigned Korean Times article does not even quote Ohno, and actually misrepresents his post-race comments. What Ohno said on the televised interview was, "I was expecting more disqualifications from the race. It was a crazy first race but it turned out well". 3 So, the Korean Times article is not reliable. Also, the Korean Times attributes the quote to Yonhap News, which doesn't even have the quote either. Fails reliable source; further reading on this intentional misrepresenting of his post-race comments can be found here. on camera (t) 00:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Please read carefully. Nobody said the Reuters article said anything about Ohno being an "ungentlemanly sportsman" and about his excessive pushing. The Korea Times article says that. It is also stated in this Chosun Times article (the exact same quotes, but in Korean): http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/02/14/2010021400182.html
I hope you don't discriminate against these articles because they are Korean. As you may know, Wikipedia allows non-English sources for English language articles. If you can't read the Korean language, then you can use a translator like Babelfish: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
Are you saying that Lee didn't make those comments? Can you prove that? Lee specifically said that Ohno did not deserve to stand on the podium and that Ohno was using his arms too aggressively. Have you seen the footage? It's appalling, in my opinion, and definitely not fairplay. This is especially true in consideration of Ohno's previous complaints about other skaters' actions during races.-- Sir Edgar ( talk) 03:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-features/news/newsid=423575.html
Thanks for your post. I hope by seeing other media sources, you can perhaps see another perspective. You and I live in different parts of the world. It's good to share information for a more balanced perspective. Anyhow, I think this issue deserves its own header because Ohno has had so much controversy throughout his career. Is he a good skater? Absolutely. But I'm not sure he would have had as much success if he relied on his skating skill alone. I am going to leave both Ohno's and Lee's comments intact. The article will constantly change throughout the competition and after. Whether we are here or not. That's Wikipedia.-- Sir Edgar ( talk) 04:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
By the way, the 1500m race issue is not about anti-Americanism. It's about what Ohno said and what Lee said after the race.-- Sir Edgar ( talk) 04:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
After a disqualification in the 500 m race,[24] he was leading the skaters in the 1000 m race; during a turn around the final corner, Ahn Hyun Soo fell while attempting to pass Ohno and Li Jiajun on the inside, causing Ohno, Li, and Mathieu Turcotte to crash into the barriers.
This para needs to be corrected. Watch the slow motion. Here is how it goes. As the skater approach the final turn, Li Jiajun tries to pass Ohno on the outside. Ohno tries to block Li out with an elevated arm. Ahn sees the opportunity to pass inside while Ohno is preoccupied with Li. Li spirals off course but Ohno is also unbalanced as him and Ahn make the final turn. Ohno is hopelessly trying to stay balanced and not deviate from the inside lane where Ahn is almost certain to pass him. Ohno is going down already and while doing so, his wrist clips Ahn's ankle/shin Ahn falls and takes Turcotte behind him.
The biggest winner here is Bradbury obviously. 2nd biggest winner is Ohno. It seemed like Ohno was hard done by as it looked like Ahn had taken the whole field out. Ohno never ever complained about Ahn. He knew he was the cause of it all and knowing Ohno's antics he would have cried foul if he felt 0.1% hard done by. Ohno should have been DQ'd too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinu4ever ( talk • contribs) 09:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
how can you say the sentence is neutral? what's black is black and what's white is white. Ahn doesn't cause Li to fall. Li slings off the track as they go into the turn. Ohno's left arm causes Ahn to fall. my source is purely from the analysis of video clips. I'm sure you'll have access to this. Bradbury saying "heading into the final turn, i see the Chinese guy fall. I set up my final turn and in the corner of my eyes i see the other three tuggle...." (this is a primary source by the way) [ [1]] If you can't get a simple observation right i don't know hom much merit is in your article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinu4ever ( talk • contribs) 23:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Uh, this is not true at all. Ahn's pass directly cause the collision. I don't know what video you are watching but what you're saying is incorrect. I will grant you this: Li's fall is questionable but Ahn 100% caused Turcotte and Ohno to fall. Even if his arm caused Ahn to fall, it's still Ahn's fault as he still tried to pass. Ohno was already leaning out of the turn so if he would've "moved his arm to let Ahn pass", he would've fallen; Ohno clearly had the right of way...because he was already in front of Ahn for the entire last lap!-- 70.246.130.36 ( talk) 04:49, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok. Let's take back all subjective arguments from both sides as you seem to a "let's talk based on facts" type of person, ie Ohno's fault or Ahn's fault - we can't conclude as we don't have conclusive evidence. However, let's go back to the fact books. Ahn wasn't disqualified from the race (was placed 4th with a valid time). Li was and hence, based on this, Li was at fault and he caused the pile up. So your argument "Ahn 100% caused Turcotte and Ohno to fall" is completely and utterly false. I don't know where you got that from. So i insist that the sentence be corrected simply to.. After a disqualification in the 500 m race,[24] he was leading the skaters in the 1000 m race; during a turn around the final corner, Li fell while attempting to pass Ohno on the outside, causing Ohno, Ahn, and Mathieu Turcotte to crash into the barriers. Hope that does it...and since you seem to be updating this article as the events in Vancouver unfold why not add another sentence somewhere saying "Ohno is not good enough to beat the Koreans for a gold medal" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.169.121 ( talk) 07:17, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
what is the name of the hairpiece on ohnos chin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.82.232.136 ( talk) 06:18, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
It is called a soul patch. Women do not like it (see an article called 10 things to something ruin a date and make women run away - title name not exact). Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 16:36, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
The two intro paragraphs need to be updated to the below...
Apolo Anton Ohno (pronounced /əˈpɒloʊ ˈæntɒn ˈoʊnoʊ/; born May 22, 1982) is an American short track speed skating competitor and a seven-time medalist (two gold, two silver, three bronze) in the Winter Olympics.
Ohno has won seven Olympic medals over his career and is one of only four Americans who have won three medals in a single Winter Olympic games.[3] He surpassed Bonnie Blair for most career medals at the Winter Games by an American in the 2010 Vancouver Olympics.[4] He has been the reigning United States’ champion since 2001 and has won the men's national title a total of 12 times.[4] In December 1999, he became the youngest skater to win a World Cup event title, and became the first American to win a World Cup overall title in 2001.[4][5] In 2008, Ohno won his first overall World Championship title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcurtis ( talk • contribs) 04:24, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
The comment Lee Jung-su made is alleged. If it's going to be included it needs to be the direct quote from said Korean media outlet. Since it isn't, it's just heresay.-- 70.246.130.36 ( talk) 04:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
The following sentence needs editing: When the South Korean team scored a goal against the U.S. team, many spectators made a move imitating the (some felt to be exaggerated) move Ohno had made during the speed skating event to indicate the other athlete had drifted into his lane. It was not the spectators but rather the Korean players on the field who celebrated after scoring their equalizer against the US by mocking Ohno. Watch the match review on Youtube starting from 3:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDd-UBL4Njo The player imitating Kim is Ahn Jung Hwan and Ohno Lee Chun Soo. The two are very famous footballers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stjdot ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
The current text states:
The basis of this is apparently this single line from the AP report. [2]
The same article was then reprinted by CNNSi, NYTimes, etc. The AP article and the current Wikipedia text are putting the blame for the pile-up squarely on Ahn. However, other media sources give other, conflicting stories.
The Seattle Times, February 18, 2006 says [3]:
St. Petersburg Times, February 17, 2002 says [4]:
Since the media sources cannot agree on or are unclear about how exactly the crash occurred, I think the text should be changed to a completely neutral description. How about something like...
Boomer69j ( talk) 05:13, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Completely Agree, although i believe Seattle Times story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.169.121 ( talk) 11:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
How can an entry for a sportsman in a marginal discipline like speed skating be this long? There's barely enough justification for a stub, let alone this epic tale of utter irrelevance. Ninety (90) footnotes. This is insane.
For example: 'In Salt Lake City, Utah, Ohno emerged as a popular athlete among American fans for reportedly charming them with his cheerful attitude and laid-back style.[23]' How can that possibly be of any interest? Wikipedia urgently needs a word limit, like a comment box, where only so many characters are available and entries automatically cut off when the limit is reached. Sartoresartus ( talk) 02:01, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
For the 500m final for the 2010 winter olympics, it currently says:
However, he was disqualified after impeding Francois-Louis Tremblay of Canada around the final turn.
Is that really the most objective way to cover this? The article used for the reference refers to him actually causing Tremblay to fall. This little
sports illustrated article does the same. They actually phrased it:
On the final lap, he tried to cut inside Canada's Francois-Louis Tremblay for a clean pass. Instead, he made contact with Tremblay, taking him out of the race.
Wouldn't it make more sense to cover it as the references do? Or, at the very least, to acknowledge that he was faulted for causing a fall, rather than claiming that he 'impeded' another skater? (I've yet to hear any proper reference refer to it as 'impeding')
It also seems like it would be better to include his comments on the decision, including, "You know, it's the head Canadian referee out there and there were two Canadians in the race.". It just seems that, if him crossing the line second is worth mentioning, and his disqualification is worth mentioning, then so are his comments on the matter?
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Currently the article says "He is the most decorated American Winter Olympic athlete of all time". Is that true? Nobody from Canada or any of the other subcontinents of america with more medals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.84.107 ( talk) 05:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, do we want to mention anywhere in here that he ran the 2011 NYC Marathon? I have a source: that Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 16:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
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There has been a recent edit war regarding the "Business controversy" section. This details a lawsuit filed against Ohno and some business partners that has not yet been litigated. In the spirit of neutrality, I support the suppression of this information until either a) the litigation has occurred and Ohno is found culpable; or b) the ongoing litigation has some serious long-term effect on Ohno's life or career. Since the suit was filed only recently, it is still too soon to claim that (b) is true, and (a) is patently not yet true. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 21:18, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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I'd like to request an edit of the ff:
Remove this line under the 'Business' section:
"Business lawsuit
In Kang et al v. Hybrid Trade Limited et al, Apolo Ohno, Rod Jao, Eugenio Pugliese, Henry Liu, as well as three companies they allegedly founded, Hybrid Trade Limited, Allysian Sciences, and Asia Digital Exchange, are named in a complaint filed in California on August 13, 2021. The plaintiffs allege that Ohno and the other defendants misappropriated $50 million USD in digital tokens that was raised. The claim against Ohno and the defendants includes securities fraud, negligent misrepresentation, breach of contract, promissory fraud, unjust enrichment, fraudulent conveyance, and the sale of unregistered securities. The documents submitted allege that in the first six months of 2018 the defendants offered and sold digital tokens and raised approximately $50 million USD from a variety of investors around the world including those in the United States. As the token raise, or "ICO", was never registered with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission, it violated American securities laws."
I have seen discussions about this on the talk page and edit history as well. I don't see the need to include this allegation as this can be a false claim only or not 100% factual. This can contribute to the defamation of the subject. Amelia0105 ( talk) 06:11, 7 September 2021 (UTC)