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Question re: Revert relating to Tidal
User:Hayman30: In this case, since Apeshit was originally released on Tidal, this reference to the personnel on the song comes from a primary source. This is not a case of not using Tidal as a citation; it is the medium of delivery for the content itself and therefore I assert should not be reverted. I beg to differ with your POV on this one. I'd appreciate your feedback as the info is incorrect and there's no citation for the information provided.
sheridanford (
talk)
15:12, 27 July 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Hayman30: Jay-Z and Beyoncé are owners of the service yes but they also identify what and who occupy specific creative roles. Given they are the composers of the song/video, the personnel info there is primary source material. The personnel listed currently in the article is not consistent with the Tidal info. Personnel are listed in accordance with their roles (i.e., first composer, second composer, etc.) indicating order of significance. Not sure where the existing info is documented from at all.
In addition, the opening paragraph suggests that Pharrell co-wrote the track. Tidal credits say otherwise. He is credited as producer with co-producer credits separately listed as Beyoncé, Stuart White, and Jay-Z (in that order). There are five composers listed and Pharrell is listed 4th in the list:
Kiari Kendrell Cephus
Beyoncé
S. Carter
Pharrell Williams
Quavious Keyate Marshall
Tidal's details, as the exclusive site of release, in conjunction with YouTube is the definitive source of information unless someone were to cite the publishing details from ASCAP and BMI. I was trying to offer the most accurate info from a primary source = TIDAL.
sheridanford (
talk)
14:48, 14 August 2018 (UTC)reply
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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The result of the move request was: Moved to
Apeshit as proposed. Consensus is that being recent does not preclude a topic from being the primary topic; if the criteria is met, it's the primary topic. (
non-admin closure)
В²C☎23:38, 25 September 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose per
WP:ASTONISH: This very-recent song is obviously not a proper primary topic for "Apeshit". How about creating a dab page? Under some circumstances (invoking
WP:IAR if necessary), I think it is acceptable to link to an article that doesn't use an exact term, in cases where we know that the term applies well and it would be artificial to insert it just so that it can be an excuse for a redirect target or dab entry. I also hope we don't need to put a hatnote on the
Anger article saying "Apeshit redirects here; for the song, see
Apeshit (song)." We shouldn't let our general conventions force us into doing something that's clearly silly. That would be worse than just doing what is suggested above. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
01:13, 20 September 2018 (UTC)reply
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Wiki Education assignment: HipHop Music Culture
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Question re: Revert relating to Tidal
User:Hayman30: In this case, since Apeshit was originally released on Tidal, this reference to the personnel on the song comes from a primary source. This is not a case of not using Tidal as a citation; it is the medium of delivery for the content itself and therefore I assert should not be reverted. I beg to differ with your POV on this one. I'd appreciate your feedback as the info is incorrect and there's no citation for the information provided.
sheridanford (
talk)
15:12, 27 July 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Hayman30: Jay-Z and Beyoncé are owners of the service yes but they also identify what and who occupy specific creative roles. Given they are the composers of the song/video, the personnel info there is primary source material. The personnel listed currently in the article is not consistent with the Tidal info. Personnel are listed in accordance with their roles (i.e., first composer, second composer, etc.) indicating order of significance. Not sure where the existing info is documented from at all.
In addition, the opening paragraph suggests that Pharrell co-wrote the track. Tidal credits say otherwise. He is credited as producer with co-producer credits separately listed as Beyoncé, Stuart White, and Jay-Z (in that order). There are five composers listed and Pharrell is listed 4th in the list:
Kiari Kendrell Cephus
Beyoncé
S. Carter
Pharrell Williams
Quavious Keyate Marshall
Tidal's details, as the exclusive site of release, in conjunction with YouTube is the definitive source of information unless someone were to cite the publishing details from ASCAP and BMI. I was trying to offer the most accurate info from a primary source = TIDAL.
sheridanford (
talk)
14:48, 14 August 2018 (UTC)reply
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: Moved to
Apeshit as proposed. Consensus is that being recent does not preclude a topic from being the primary topic; if the criteria is met, it's the primary topic. (
non-admin closure)
В²C☎23:38, 25 September 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose per
WP:ASTONISH: This very-recent song is obviously not a proper primary topic for "Apeshit". How about creating a dab page? Under some circumstances (invoking
WP:IAR if necessary), I think it is acceptable to link to an article that doesn't use an exact term, in cases where we know that the term applies well and it would be artificial to insert it just so that it can be an excuse for a redirect target or dab entry. I also hope we don't need to put a hatnote on the
Anger article saying "Apeshit redirects here; for the song, see
Apeshit (song)." We shouldn't let our general conventions force us into doing something that's clearly silly. That would be worse than just doing what is suggested above. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
01:13, 20 September 2018 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this
talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Wiki Education assignment: HipHop Music Culture
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 February 2023 and 12 May 2023. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Golfwang14 (
article contribs).