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This article is yet another unfortunate creation that has surfaced on the pages of Wikipedia. Rather than call forth reputable sources which actually document acts of ethnic hatred, it is nothing but a set of largely unrelated incidents loosely tied together under a banner of perceived actions directed against Azerbaijanis. Editors up until now have been at pains to pin the disappearance of mosques over the past century on a concrete anti-Azerbaijani move made by Armenians. Apparently, the destruction of numerous churches during the period has little relation to the anti-religious policies of the Soviets. Likewise, the change in placenames: this itself cannot definitively be ascribed to anti-Azerbaijani sentiment, as many towns and settlements formerly had Armenian names and with the dissolution of Muslim and Soviet power and reestablishment of Armenian independence, it is not unusual that the names of current-day towns and villages revert back to their original names or ones that were imposed on from the above (again, not necessarily a sign of "anti-" anything). Coupled with other unreliable sources, it really begs belief if this article was created simply because the page for Anti-Armenianism in Azerbaijan existed, itself a phenomenon far easily documented and seen than any of the examples proffered here.-- Marshal Bagramyan ( talk) 18:06, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
"International Law, Conventions and Justice. ATINER. 2011. p. 120" - This is a topic of Farhad Mirzayev ("The articles are based on selected presentations at International Conferences on Law, organised by the Athens Institute for Education and Research (ATINER) held in Athens, Greece The papers were peer-reviewed and selected on the basis of the reviewers' comments and their contribution to the ongoing discussion of the respective issues")
So, this is just a Mirzayev's presentation, not more.
From the Mirzayev's topic "The idea of economically and politically strong Azerbaijan with a dominance of the European values and its possible integration to Euro-Atlantic Community is a serious concern for some external forces It gives these forces grounds to carry out aggressive and unbalanced policy against Azerbaijan. As one of the main targets the active support of separatist ideas among the minority groups has been selected Set aside other separatist movements in Azerbaijan, the sanguinary conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh is the most painful problem for the modern Azerbaijan The Armenian support of separatist regime in Nagorno-Karabakh and its further occupation of 20% of Azerbaijani territory, one million of Azeri refugees and internally displaced persons are the realities of this conflict."
According Tom de Waal and Vladimir Kazimirov, "20% of Azerbaijani territory, one million of Azeri refugees" is a fake and typical example of the Azerbaijani propaganda. So, Mirzayev's presentation is not a reliable source. Divot ( talk) 21:18, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
"According to Ivan Chopin, there were eight mosques in Yerevan in the middle of the nineteenth century" - So what? Almost all mosques (like a lot of christian churches) were demolished under the Communists. It bears no relation to Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia. Divot ( talk) 21:28, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Armenian–Tatar massacres of 1905–1907, March Days, Shusha, Askeran, Khojaly, are not in or did not take place in Armenia and do not belong in this article. Also language like "Manipulative government policies that pit one group against the other for political gain" and "Armenian nationalist manifesto, which called for the expulsion of Turkic people from the holy place of Armenia" are unacceptable and this reason this article has neutral point of view and original research problems. They need to be cleaned up. -- Oatitonimly ( talk) 19:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
The way that this section is written sounds like Armenia is guilty of having destroyed mosques, as if Armenian churches were not demolished as well. The USSR's anti-religious policies are common knowledge, so I'm having a hard time assuming good faith from the writer of this section.
I'm not well-versed enough in this topic to contribute to it, however, I will cut down the text to make it less misleading if no one fixes this section. — kentronhayastan 19:36, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
With regards to the what Mosque the quote is referring to more context "So when the Armenians refers to the "Persian mosque" in Yerevan, than name obsures the fact that...". The "Persian Mosque" of Yerevan is the Blue Mosque. The source specifically say the Vardanants Street Mosque was not called Persian. Maidyouneed ( talk) 01:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Maidyouneed: It's "ambiguous" because the source itself is ambiguous. Nowhere in the book does De Waal mention specifically Blue Mosque. Your current version is an interpretation, which is a violation per WP:PRIMARYCARE, therefore you should probably revert your edit. — CuriousGolden (T· C) 10:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@ CuriousGolden:, The Persian Mosque is the "controversial" alternative name of the Blue Mosque. That isn't interpretation. The discussion you've just had above is of the same understanding; See LouisAragon comment on Ritter and Bournoutian. The whole section in this wiki article used to be called "Blue Mosque in Armenia". If you still see the source as ambiguous, and thus neither the editors nor the reader know what the source is referring to, we shouldn't use the source at all in this context. Maidyouneed ( talk) 22:44, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Per edit comments. Ismail Agakishiev is rather the General Manager [1] and as the sole Director [2] (under Agakishiev Ismail Alovsat Oglu) Maidyouneed ( talk) 09:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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This article is yet another unfortunate creation that has surfaced on the pages of Wikipedia. Rather than call forth reputable sources which actually document acts of ethnic hatred, it is nothing but a set of largely unrelated incidents loosely tied together under a banner of perceived actions directed against Azerbaijanis. Editors up until now have been at pains to pin the disappearance of mosques over the past century on a concrete anti-Azerbaijani move made by Armenians. Apparently, the destruction of numerous churches during the period has little relation to the anti-religious policies of the Soviets. Likewise, the change in placenames: this itself cannot definitively be ascribed to anti-Azerbaijani sentiment, as many towns and settlements formerly had Armenian names and with the dissolution of Muslim and Soviet power and reestablishment of Armenian independence, it is not unusual that the names of current-day towns and villages revert back to their original names or ones that were imposed on from the above (again, not necessarily a sign of "anti-" anything). Coupled with other unreliable sources, it really begs belief if this article was created simply because the page for Anti-Armenianism in Azerbaijan existed, itself a phenomenon far easily documented and seen than any of the examples proffered here.-- Marshal Bagramyan ( talk) 18:06, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
"International Law, Conventions and Justice. ATINER. 2011. p. 120" - This is a topic of Farhad Mirzayev ("The articles are based on selected presentations at International Conferences on Law, organised by the Athens Institute for Education and Research (ATINER) held in Athens, Greece The papers were peer-reviewed and selected on the basis of the reviewers' comments and their contribution to the ongoing discussion of the respective issues")
So, this is just a Mirzayev's presentation, not more.
From the Mirzayev's topic "The idea of economically and politically strong Azerbaijan with a dominance of the European values and its possible integration to Euro-Atlantic Community is a serious concern for some external forces It gives these forces grounds to carry out aggressive and unbalanced policy against Azerbaijan. As one of the main targets the active support of separatist ideas among the minority groups has been selected Set aside other separatist movements in Azerbaijan, the sanguinary conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh is the most painful problem for the modern Azerbaijan The Armenian support of separatist regime in Nagorno-Karabakh and its further occupation of 20% of Azerbaijani territory, one million of Azeri refugees and internally displaced persons are the realities of this conflict."
According Tom de Waal and Vladimir Kazimirov, "20% of Azerbaijani territory, one million of Azeri refugees" is a fake and typical example of the Azerbaijani propaganda. So, Mirzayev's presentation is not a reliable source. Divot ( talk) 21:18, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
"According to Ivan Chopin, there were eight mosques in Yerevan in the middle of the nineteenth century" - So what? Almost all mosques (like a lot of christian churches) were demolished under the Communists. It bears no relation to Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia. Divot ( talk) 21:28, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Armenian–Tatar massacres of 1905–1907, March Days, Shusha, Askeran, Khojaly, are not in or did not take place in Armenia and do not belong in this article. Also language like "Manipulative government policies that pit one group against the other for political gain" and "Armenian nationalist manifesto, which called for the expulsion of Turkic people from the holy place of Armenia" are unacceptable and this reason this article has neutral point of view and original research problems. They need to be cleaned up. -- Oatitonimly ( talk) 19:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
The way that this section is written sounds like Armenia is guilty of having destroyed mosques, as if Armenian churches were not demolished as well. The USSR's anti-religious policies are common knowledge, so I'm having a hard time assuming good faith from the writer of this section.
I'm not well-versed enough in this topic to contribute to it, however, I will cut down the text to make it less misleading if no one fixes this section. — kentronhayastan 19:36, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
With regards to the what Mosque the quote is referring to more context "So when the Armenians refers to the "Persian mosque" in Yerevan, than name obsures the fact that...". The "Persian Mosque" of Yerevan is the Blue Mosque. The source specifically say the Vardanants Street Mosque was not called Persian. Maidyouneed ( talk) 01:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Maidyouneed: It's "ambiguous" because the source itself is ambiguous. Nowhere in the book does De Waal mention specifically Blue Mosque. Your current version is an interpretation, which is a violation per WP:PRIMARYCARE, therefore you should probably revert your edit. — CuriousGolden (T· C) 10:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@ CuriousGolden:, The Persian Mosque is the "controversial" alternative name of the Blue Mosque. That isn't interpretation. The discussion you've just had above is of the same understanding; See LouisAragon comment on Ritter and Bournoutian. The whole section in this wiki article used to be called "Blue Mosque in Armenia". If you still see the source as ambiguous, and thus neither the editors nor the reader know what the source is referring to, we shouldn't use the source at all in this context. Maidyouneed ( talk) 22:44, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Per edit comments. Ismail Agakishiev is rather the General Manager [1] and as the sole Director [2] (under Agakishiev Ismail Alovsat Oglu) Maidyouneed ( talk) 09:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)