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This page reads like an advertisement and was created and largely edited by one user, Zallen27, who has only created and edited this page - possibly someone affiliated with the candidate's campaign. Nhgrrl ( talk) 22:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
This section has a strong flavour of WP:SYNTH. It constructs an argument strongly implying that he got his MPP then announced he was gay to avoid the associated military service. Has any reliable third-party source explicitly put all these bits together (including the analysis of costs, who it deprived of going on the course, etc etc)? No. This argument sources to a couple of comments in a magazine forum, one anonymous, and neither of which analyses the costs and background in such detail. WP:UNDUE and WP:NOR, I think, as well as a WP:BLP issue. Gordonofcartoon ( talk) 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Even with it removed, I have put together a timeline of his departure, and backed it up with the cost of his departure. Casprings ( talk) 12:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
A better place would be in the original article summary of his life. Some understanding of the cost, to both him and the Army adds context to the article without adding bias.
Casprings (
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I do not see how the Army Pay scale for 2008, the Army Housing benefit for 2008, Army service obligation and Harvard tuition are "unverifiable". They are clearly linked and sourced.
Casprings (
talk) 13:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Moved to Talk for discussion:
The US Military sent Woods to attend the Kennedy School of Government to obtain a Master in Public Policy (MPP). The MPP program is a two-year program. [1] Currently, Harvard estimates the costs of attending the program for one year to be $66,610 for direct and indirect costs. The complete program, using the current estimate, would be a total cost of $133,220. [2] Woods graduated from the program in the summer of 2008. [3]
Military students incur a three for one active service obligation for time spent pursuing a Master’s Degree. In other words, for every one day spent at Harvard, under normal circumstances, Woods would have had to serve in the Army three days. [4] However, shortly after completion from the MPP program, Woods reported to his supervisor that he was gay. Despite his stated desire to return to serving his country, the military discharged him the following December with an honorable discharge. Woods had to repay $35,000 to the government. [5]
However, this is much less than the cost of the two year program, which is currently estimated to be $133,220 for direct and indirect costs. [6] In addition, this does not take into account his Army salary and housing benefits, worth an estimated $80,000 a year or around $160,000 for his complete time at Harvard. [7] [8] Moreover, Woods would have received federal benefits, such as free health care and federal leave days, during his two years. [9]
This is in addition to the fact that the Army sends limited number of students to this program. Woods was on a path to becoming a professor at the United States Military Academy. [10] The Academy has limited number of slots to send future professors to the Harvard program. In effect, Woods going through the complete program, deprived another officer of the opportunity to obtain a MPP from Harvard and deprived cadets at the United States Military Academy of a professor with a MPP from Harvard.
The timing of his revealing of his homosexual nature is a point of controversy among his former military associates. [11] [12]
The section references the timeline of Mr. Woods and the facts associated with his departure to from the Military. Moreover, Todd Hertling is a Army Captain, which can be verified by a name search on google . http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Todd+Hertling&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 The bias here is in the article, which reads like a Campaign bio. Casprings ( talk) 12:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I have edited again, and I think that I have taken what you have said into consideration. I have added facts that are relevant, but have refined from using that to advance any argument. I believe that I have simply added context to the repayment of $35K and I have added an important fact to Mr. Woods employment by Mr. Patterson. Casprings ( talk) 18:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
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This page reads like an advertisement and was created and largely edited by one user, Zallen27, who has only created and edited this page - possibly someone affiliated with the candidate's campaign. Nhgrrl ( talk) 22:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
This section has a strong flavour of WP:SYNTH. It constructs an argument strongly implying that he got his MPP then announced he was gay to avoid the associated military service. Has any reliable third-party source explicitly put all these bits together (including the analysis of costs, who it deprived of going on the course, etc etc)? No. This argument sources to a couple of comments in a magazine forum, one anonymous, and neither of which analyses the costs and background in such detail. WP:UNDUE and WP:NOR, I think, as well as a WP:BLP issue. Gordonofcartoon ( talk) 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Even with it removed, I have put together a timeline of his departure, and backed it up with the cost of his departure. Casprings ( talk) 12:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
A better place would be in the original article summary of his life. Some understanding of the cost, to both him and the Army adds context to the article without adding bias.
Casprings (
talk) 13:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I do not see how the Army Pay scale for 2008, the Army Housing benefit for 2008, Army service obligation and Harvard tuition are "unverifiable". They are clearly linked and sourced.
Casprings (
talk) 13:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Moved to Talk for discussion:
The US Military sent Woods to attend the Kennedy School of Government to obtain a Master in Public Policy (MPP). The MPP program is a two-year program. [1] Currently, Harvard estimates the costs of attending the program for one year to be $66,610 for direct and indirect costs. The complete program, using the current estimate, would be a total cost of $133,220. [2] Woods graduated from the program in the summer of 2008. [3]
Military students incur a three for one active service obligation for time spent pursuing a Master’s Degree. In other words, for every one day spent at Harvard, under normal circumstances, Woods would have had to serve in the Army three days. [4] However, shortly after completion from the MPP program, Woods reported to his supervisor that he was gay. Despite his stated desire to return to serving his country, the military discharged him the following December with an honorable discharge. Woods had to repay $35,000 to the government. [5]
However, this is much less than the cost of the two year program, which is currently estimated to be $133,220 for direct and indirect costs. [6] In addition, this does not take into account his Army salary and housing benefits, worth an estimated $80,000 a year or around $160,000 for his complete time at Harvard. [7] [8] Moreover, Woods would have received federal benefits, such as free health care and federal leave days, during his two years. [9]
This is in addition to the fact that the Army sends limited number of students to this program. Woods was on a path to becoming a professor at the United States Military Academy. [10] The Academy has limited number of slots to send future professors to the Harvard program. In effect, Woods going through the complete program, deprived another officer of the opportunity to obtain a MPP from Harvard and deprived cadets at the United States Military Academy of a professor with a MPP from Harvard.
The timing of his revealing of his homosexual nature is a point of controversy among his former military associates. [11] [12]
The section references the timeline of Mr. Woods and the facts associated with his departure to from the Military. Moreover, Todd Hertling is a Army Captain, which can be verified by a name search on google . http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Todd+Hertling&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 The bias here is in the article, which reads like a Campaign bio. Casprings ( talk) 12:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I have edited again, and I think that I have taken what you have said into consideration. I have added facts that are relevant, but have refined from using that to advance any argument. I believe that I have simply added context to the repayment of $35K and I have added an important fact to Mr. Woods employment by Mr. Patterson. Casprings ( talk) 18:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
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