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Anthony Eden (1976 - ) is a Java software developer developing numerous open source projects such as JPublish, FormProc, and DataBind. CTO of Signature Domains, Inc. in Miami, FL.
Source for the amphetamines stuff? john 18:18, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I beleive the amphetamines thing is true to some extent, however!, and it's a BIG however, this needs a complete rewrite. The article discusses Suez in the context of amphetamines rather than the other way round. Mintguy (T) 00:52, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
How come he was Sir Anthony Eden; was he knighted if when and which order, or was he a baronet, and then when did his father die?
He was created a Knight of the Garter in 1954, hence the "KG" after his name. Proteus (Talk) 11:01, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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The Eden was a long-time drug abuser, who dosed himself with meth-amphetamines ever since the early 1930s, following an accident. There was an one-hour british TV documentary on Discovery History channel, where they researched the issue thoroughly and gave proof that the substance made him paranoid and the 1956 Suez War he made because he had visions of Nasser morphing into Hitler.
Other famous meth abuser was JFK who also started to take it due to injury (of the back and spine) and it made him reckless and he almost started a nuclear war where he spoke nonsense about sausages in a Berliner platz. Many western politicians are either drunkards or drug abusers, morphine and amphetamines are common even these days. Paranoids lead many countries and ordinary citizens don't even know. Dubya is heavily back to whiskey now, because of Iraq fiasco and public opinion loss. Laura complained about this to friends and National Enquirer journalists taped that. 195.70.48.242 15:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I didn't like the wording of the Suez Invasion. Just the fact that the mention of Eden's motives, i.e. Nasser supposedly being like Mussolini and being bent on invading land supposedly belonging to other countries sounded a bit biased. So I added the fact that the canal itself has always been on Egyptian soil, was built by Egyptian slave labour and that nationalization met with popular support amongst the Egyptian people. ( Canadianpunk77 01:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)).
According to the BBC ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5193202.stm), Eden's gall bladder operation was a complete failure - apparently the knife "slipped", causing serious damage to his bile duct. Hence the continued need to use pain killers. Unfortunately he also took other drugs to counter the pain killers. Some belived that his dependance on drugs affected his judgement during the Suez Crisis.
It could probably be amended to say that it certainly didn't help...
A learned article has been published in the United States about Eden's medical problems, evidently with the support of his widow, now in her late 80s: John W. Braasch, Anthony Eden’s (Lord Avon) Biliary Tract Saga: Ann Surg. 2003 November; 238(5): 772–775; http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1356158
The version of the original operation that I heard from a surgeon who was a contemporary of the first surgeon was: They cystic duct was clamped with a Mayo clamp. This was a standard method at the time. A ligature was passed around the clamp and tied. The clamp had been placed too close to the common bile duct, an by tying it, the bile duct was damaged, later becoming stenosed. (Today, in an open operation, the cystic duct would be exposed, a Lahey or similar clamp passed under it, and a suture introduced into the clamp, pulled around the cystic duct and then tied.) I don't know if the cystic duct was divided with scissors or a scalpel.
In any event, Eden sustained an injury which should not have happened, for a biliary stricture is a problem which is very difficult to fix. Eden clearly suffered bouts of Charcot's fever, ascending cholangitis, with the triad of abdominal pain, jaundice and fever. It's unsurprising that his judgement was impaired.
The Lahey clinic developed very considerable expertise in the repair of biliary strictures; the world leader in this field.
I cannot say if my source (Sir Ian Fraser) had the correct facts; it was related as an anecdote.
Korhomme ( talk) 10:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
"Eden was prescribed the wonder drug of the 1950s - Benzedrine. Regarded by doctors in the 1950s as a harmless stimulant, it belongs to the family of drugs called amphetamines – the illegal drug we now call speed." -- Deleted bolded as misleading. Amphetamines are not now illegal per se. Per Speed, that term can refer to "amphetamines, methamphetamine, and other psychostimulant drugs". -- Writtenonsand ( talk) 22:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering of someone could tell me if the Eden Trust, a registered UK charity and whole owner of the Eden Project in Cornwall, was founded by or named after Sir Anthony Eden, or someone else in his immediate family. -- Mark2196 ( talk) 00:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Most unlikely. Despite Eden's well documented love of gardens and plants, the Eden project is surely a reference to the biblical Garden of Eden. IXIA ( talk) 05:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Somebody ought to go over the external links. Serveral of them don't work any more. -- Maxl ( talk) 11:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't feel strongly enough to change this - but I would say we die we die rather than decease. Especially in war. And what does Eden "accepting" his son's death mean? Had he a choice? Rogersansom ( talk) 11:02, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
The lengthy coverage of this controversial topic is perhaps disproportionate. IXIA ( talk) 05:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I wonder whether this article draws a bit too heavily on Dutton who is, on the whole, less sympathetic to Eden than, say Rhodes James or Thorpe. LymeRegis ( talk) 17:12, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure the current war in Libya is really relevant to Eden; the 2003 Iraq war where Britain and the US decided to go it alone without the backing of the UN might be a better comparison. ( HantersSpade ( talk) 10:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC))
But maybe the point is that, with Libya, Britain and France did seek a UN mandate and ensured that America was, broadly speaking, on board, despite apparent initial misgivings - i.e. pretty much the opposite of Suez. I understand the UN point, but perhaps the main one, in terms of realpolitik was the stance of the USA in all three instances. LymeRegis ( talk) 06:05, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
On one point, he learned French and German as a child and studied Persian with Arabic at Oxford, but do we have a source on his Russian? https://archive.org/details/siranthonyedenth012634mbp suggests on page 23 that he didn't learn it. Is it a matter of what we mean by "learn" and "speak"? Prometheus-1234 ( talk) 12:00, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Eden knew Turkish, or at least claimed to in Parliament, when he said he read Turkish newspapers in an exchange on Suez. This is my memory of Hansard, I can't give the reference. Might be worth mentioning that ha got first-class honours at Oxford - Can't give a reference for this either, but I think it is true. Seadowns ( talk) 13:19, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
There is lamentably brief and inadequate coverage of his failure to support the democratically elected Spanish government against the fascist coup of Franco. This "neutral" stance contributed in no small way, along with appeasement, to encouraging fascist aggression which precipitated WW2. I am no historian so i suggest someone with expertise write a para on this important subject. Richwil ( talk) 14:22, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
According to William Manchester, in 1933 he made "a speech that brought him a standing ovation in the House".
Applause is frowned upon in the House of Commons, although there have been a few occasions of it in modern years, e.g. Tony Blair was applauded by his newly-elected MPs in 1997. The normal procedure is a rumble of "hear, hear"s, or in extreme cases shouts of approval and waving of order papers. I suspect it may have been the latter. I don't have copy of Manchester (an entertaining read but hardly the greatest of historians) to hand to check what he actually wrote. Is this mentioned in the reputable biographies (Carlton, Rhodes James, Dutton, Thorpe)? Paulturtle ( talk) 20:10, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Right, I've found a mention of this in David Dutton (Thorpe doesn't appear to mention it) and sharpened up the section a bit. No mention of a "standing ovation" either in Dutton or in the online Hansard record. Probably no need to be too hard on Eden or the government for this - Hitler had only just come to power and lots of people at the time thought the French were bullies (e.g. marching into the Ruhr in 1923) and that the Versailles Treaty had been unfair and unnecessarily humiliating to Germany, which was why there wasn't much complaint later in the year when Hitler repudiated it - indeed there wasn't really much of a consensus that Hitler needed to be "stood up to" until he marched into Prague in March 1939, at which point it was clear that "further negotiation was pointless" as an old man said to me a year or two ago. Paulturtle ( talk) 13:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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If somebody has the books to hand there ought to be something about the strong hints which the US Administration are now known to have dropped that they wanted him out as Prime Minister after Suez. My Eden biographies are in storage at the moment so I can't do it myself. Paulturtle ( talk) 12:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
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It is strange to suggest that Eden made a "series of blunders". Had he not taken action against Nasser then he would have been forced out anyway by his own MPs. ( Gafbns ( talk) 14:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC))
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Both of the books I've ploughed through so far - Rothwell and Rhodes James which is so obviously a hagiography that I wouldn't dream of using uncorroborated on anything other than obvious points of fact - say that Eden was not asked for his advice as to his successor (not that he was in any way entitled to be asked, as it related to the Queen's role of Head of State rather than her purely nominal role as Head of Government). I seem to recall Anthony Howard's biog of Butler mentioning that he too was scathing about the Queen afterwards, so perhaps she gave him the nod to push Eden out and then - entirely correctly - appointed Macmillan instead.
After reading about this stuff for about 25 years I seem to recall that some books say that this is an error and Eden was asked. So I'm happy to be corrected on this point of detail if somebody has a book which says different. I haven't had a chance to check Carlton, Dutton or Thorpe yet. Paulturtle ( talk) 22:19, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
He may or may not have been, but on this specific matter Eden later wrote a memo (or 2, I forget), a decade or more later, stating that he had indeed been asked, contrary to incorrect reports at the time, that he declined to disclose his advice, but that events had turned out in accordance with his advice. Whatever that means. Eden had no love for either man. Clarissa did, however, commiserate with Butler for having been passed over. I have a great many notes on Eden, but don't really have time for article-writing at the moment. Paulturtle ( talk) 03:01, 27 March 2016 (UTC) And as Michael Jago points out in his recent biography of Rab Butler, whatever advice Eden gave, he cannot (assuming he was later telling the truth) have endorsed Butler as his successor. He may have endorsed Macmillan, or he may have advised the Queen to have a straw poll taken of the Cabinet (as actually happened), or some other logical possibility. Paulturtle ( talk) 21:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
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Article has a lot of material and pictures.
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Article needs more than that to be A-class.-- Rmky87 21:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC) Quote: in later years [Eden] was often wrongly supposed to have resigned as Foreign Secretary in protest at the Munich Agreement. Unquote. Eden resigned in Febuary, 1938. The Munich agreement was signed in September, 1938. No one could suppose he resigned as a result of the Munich agreement. Mmayers. Mmayers ( talk) 05:50, 21 September 2011 (UTC) |
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The real reason Eden resigned was because the Americans refused to work with a British government led by him. ( 81.132.49.84 ( talk) 12:05, 16 June 2016 (UTC))
'Born in the year of Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee, he thus died in the year of Queen Elizabeth II's Silver Jubilee.' This sentence is essentially drivel, style over substance. It has no meaning, since neither royal anniversary is connected with his birth or death. You may as well say, 'Born in the year that Aston Villa won the FA Cup, he thus died in the year they won the League Cup.' This is rather better, in fact, since Eden was often seen down the Villa. -- OhNoPeedyPeebles ( talk) 09:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
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Conflict of information. The sidebar lists his MP resignation date as in January 1957 (same as his PM resignation date) but in the text it lists it as March 1957 (unlikely given the by-election was the 7th of March which would be too short a time in between). Anyone have confirmation? 14.38.64.126 ( talk) 15:56, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Why do we put Eton in the infobox, but not put it for other Prime Ministers who have graduated from it? -- Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii ( talk) 09:14, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
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In the Section of Foreign Affairs Minister, 1931–1935, there are two mentions of Eden's meeting with Hitler in 1935. The first one was added by me, from Mitrokhin archive. The second was added by someone else and the source is Litvinov biograhy. Although written separtely and without other sources for now, I doubt the two mentions are actually about the same meeting. If so, the two parts should be merged.-- Aronlee90 ( talk) 07:54, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
In the family section it says that "Eden's mother, Sybil Frances Grey, was a member of the famous Grey family of Northumberland (see below)". However there is nothing later in the article about the Grey family or their connection to Eden. I am not sure if something has been edited out or if someone intended to add something (possibly relating to Eden being a distant relation of his erstwhile colleague and fellow foreign Secretary Lord Halifax and the earlier holder of that office Sir Edward Grey via this familial connection). Indeed it is a bit odd that Halifax is not mentioned significantly in the article. However as it stands I am minded to remove the see below as it does not seem to relate to any current content, and as such is not of aid to readers of this article. Dunarc ( talk) 21:28, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
I wanted to raise a discussion point as to whether Eden actually was Deputy Prime Minister. Britannica states as such and Hansard seems to suggest the same (but that could be in an unofficial sense, I suppose).
However, Rodney Brazier in his new book, 'Choosing a Prime Minister: The Transfer of Power in Britain', on pages 72 and 77, states that Eden never officially was Deputy Prime Minister, because of the King's objection to the office. Does anybody else have any other sources on or thoughts about this? I don't have a copy of Eden's autobiography, but could that shed some light? FollowTheTortoise ( talk) 12:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
If he had a number of affairs with men then should we categorize him as bisexual? PatGallacher ( talk) 13:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Hey Rjensen. The reviews that I've seen on Bloch were all pretty similar: the book is fascinating but very uneven and while some parts are excellent, other times it veers into pure speculation. See [ Times], [ Review], [ Standard], [ Guardian]. IMO its not a reliable source, especially when we've got actual scholarly biographies of Eden. -- RaiderAspect ( talk) 07:56, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
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Anthony Eden (1976 - ) is a Java software developer developing numerous open source projects such as JPublish, FormProc, and DataBind. CTO of Signature Domains, Inc. in Miami, FL.
Source for the amphetamines stuff? john 18:18, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I beleive the amphetamines thing is true to some extent, however!, and it's a BIG however, this needs a complete rewrite. The article discusses Suez in the context of amphetamines rather than the other way round. Mintguy (T) 00:52, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
How come he was Sir Anthony Eden; was he knighted if when and which order, or was he a baronet, and then when did his father die?
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The Eden was a long-time drug abuser, who dosed himself with meth-amphetamines ever since the early 1930s, following an accident. There was an one-hour british TV documentary on Discovery History channel, where they researched the issue thoroughly and gave proof that the substance made him paranoid and the 1956 Suez War he made because he had visions of Nasser morphing into Hitler.
Other famous meth abuser was JFK who also started to take it due to injury (of the back and spine) and it made him reckless and he almost started a nuclear war where he spoke nonsense about sausages in a Berliner platz. Many western politicians are either drunkards or drug abusers, morphine and amphetamines are common even these days. Paranoids lead many countries and ordinary citizens don't even know. Dubya is heavily back to whiskey now, because of Iraq fiasco and public opinion loss. Laura complained about this to friends and National Enquirer journalists taped that. 195.70.48.242 15:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I didn't like the wording of the Suez Invasion. Just the fact that the mention of Eden's motives, i.e. Nasser supposedly being like Mussolini and being bent on invading land supposedly belonging to other countries sounded a bit biased. So I added the fact that the canal itself has always been on Egyptian soil, was built by Egyptian slave labour and that nationalization met with popular support amongst the Egyptian people. ( Canadianpunk77 01:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)).
According to the BBC ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5193202.stm), Eden's gall bladder operation was a complete failure - apparently the knife "slipped", causing serious damage to his bile duct. Hence the continued need to use pain killers. Unfortunately he also took other drugs to counter the pain killers. Some belived that his dependance on drugs affected his judgement during the Suez Crisis.
It could probably be amended to say that it certainly didn't help...
A learned article has been published in the United States about Eden's medical problems, evidently with the support of his widow, now in her late 80s: John W. Braasch, Anthony Eden’s (Lord Avon) Biliary Tract Saga: Ann Surg. 2003 November; 238(5): 772–775; http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1356158
The version of the original operation that I heard from a surgeon who was a contemporary of the first surgeon was: They cystic duct was clamped with a Mayo clamp. This was a standard method at the time. A ligature was passed around the clamp and tied. The clamp had been placed too close to the common bile duct, an by tying it, the bile duct was damaged, later becoming stenosed. (Today, in an open operation, the cystic duct would be exposed, a Lahey or similar clamp passed under it, and a suture introduced into the clamp, pulled around the cystic duct and then tied.) I don't know if the cystic duct was divided with scissors or a scalpel.
In any event, Eden sustained an injury which should not have happened, for a biliary stricture is a problem which is very difficult to fix. Eden clearly suffered bouts of Charcot's fever, ascending cholangitis, with the triad of abdominal pain, jaundice and fever. It's unsurprising that his judgement was impaired.
The Lahey clinic developed very considerable expertise in the repair of biliary strictures; the world leader in this field.
I cannot say if my source (Sir Ian Fraser) had the correct facts; it was related as an anecdote.
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"Eden was prescribed the wonder drug of the 1950s - Benzedrine. Regarded by doctors in the 1950s as a harmless stimulant, it belongs to the family of drugs called amphetamines – the illegal drug we now call speed." -- Deleted bolded as misleading. Amphetamines are not now illegal per se. Per Speed, that term can refer to "amphetamines, methamphetamine, and other psychostimulant drugs". -- Writtenonsand ( talk) 22:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering of someone could tell me if the Eden Trust, a registered UK charity and whole owner of the Eden Project in Cornwall, was founded by or named after Sir Anthony Eden, or someone else in his immediate family. -- Mark2196 ( talk) 00:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Most unlikely. Despite Eden's well documented love of gardens and plants, the Eden project is surely a reference to the biblical Garden of Eden. IXIA ( talk) 05:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Somebody ought to go over the external links. Serveral of them don't work any more. -- Maxl ( talk) 11:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't feel strongly enough to change this - but I would say we die we die rather than decease. Especially in war. And what does Eden "accepting" his son's death mean? Had he a choice? Rogersansom ( talk) 11:02, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
The lengthy coverage of this controversial topic is perhaps disproportionate. IXIA ( talk) 05:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I wonder whether this article draws a bit too heavily on Dutton who is, on the whole, less sympathetic to Eden than, say Rhodes James or Thorpe. LymeRegis ( talk) 17:12, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure the current war in Libya is really relevant to Eden; the 2003 Iraq war where Britain and the US decided to go it alone without the backing of the UN might be a better comparison. ( HantersSpade ( talk) 10:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC))
But maybe the point is that, with Libya, Britain and France did seek a UN mandate and ensured that America was, broadly speaking, on board, despite apparent initial misgivings - i.e. pretty much the opposite of Suez. I understand the UN point, but perhaps the main one, in terms of realpolitik was the stance of the USA in all three instances. LymeRegis ( talk) 06:05, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
On one point, he learned French and German as a child and studied Persian with Arabic at Oxford, but do we have a source on his Russian? https://archive.org/details/siranthonyedenth012634mbp suggests on page 23 that he didn't learn it. Is it a matter of what we mean by "learn" and "speak"? Prometheus-1234 ( talk) 12:00, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Eden knew Turkish, or at least claimed to in Parliament, when he said he read Turkish newspapers in an exchange on Suez. This is my memory of Hansard, I can't give the reference. Might be worth mentioning that ha got first-class honours at Oxford - Can't give a reference for this either, but I think it is true. Seadowns ( talk) 13:19, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
There is lamentably brief and inadequate coverage of his failure to support the democratically elected Spanish government against the fascist coup of Franco. This "neutral" stance contributed in no small way, along with appeasement, to encouraging fascist aggression which precipitated WW2. I am no historian so i suggest someone with expertise write a para on this important subject. Richwil ( talk) 14:22, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
According to William Manchester, in 1933 he made "a speech that brought him a standing ovation in the House".
Applause is frowned upon in the House of Commons, although there have been a few occasions of it in modern years, e.g. Tony Blair was applauded by his newly-elected MPs in 1997. The normal procedure is a rumble of "hear, hear"s, or in extreme cases shouts of approval and waving of order papers. I suspect it may have been the latter. I don't have copy of Manchester (an entertaining read but hardly the greatest of historians) to hand to check what he actually wrote. Is this mentioned in the reputable biographies (Carlton, Rhodes James, Dutton, Thorpe)? Paulturtle ( talk) 20:10, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Right, I've found a mention of this in David Dutton (Thorpe doesn't appear to mention it) and sharpened up the section a bit. No mention of a "standing ovation" either in Dutton or in the online Hansard record. Probably no need to be too hard on Eden or the government for this - Hitler had only just come to power and lots of people at the time thought the French were bullies (e.g. marching into the Ruhr in 1923) and that the Versailles Treaty had been unfair and unnecessarily humiliating to Germany, which was why there wasn't much complaint later in the year when Hitler repudiated it - indeed there wasn't really much of a consensus that Hitler needed to be "stood up to" until he marched into Prague in March 1939, at which point it was clear that "further negotiation was pointless" as an old man said to me a year or two ago. Paulturtle ( talk) 13:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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If somebody has the books to hand there ought to be something about the strong hints which the US Administration are now known to have dropped that they wanted him out as Prime Minister after Suez. My Eden biographies are in storage at the moment so I can't do it myself. Paulturtle ( talk) 12:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
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It is strange to suggest that Eden made a "series of blunders". Had he not taken action against Nasser then he would have been forced out anyway by his own MPs. ( Gafbns ( talk) 14:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC))
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Both of the books I've ploughed through so far - Rothwell and Rhodes James which is so obviously a hagiography that I wouldn't dream of using uncorroborated on anything other than obvious points of fact - say that Eden was not asked for his advice as to his successor (not that he was in any way entitled to be asked, as it related to the Queen's role of Head of State rather than her purely nominal role as Head of Government). I seem to recall Anthony Howard's biog of Butler mentioning that he too was scathing about the Queen afterwards, so perhaps she gave him the nod to push Eden out and then - entirely correctly - appointed Macmillan instead.
After reading about this stuff for about 25 years I seem to recall that some books say that this is an error and Eden was asked. So I'm happy to be corrected on this point of detail if somebody has a book which says different. I haven't had a chance to check Carlton, Dutton or Thorpe yet. Paulturtle ( talk) 22:19, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
He may or may not have been, but on this specific matter Eden later wrote a memo (or 2, I forget), a decade or more later, stating that he had indeed been asked, contrary to incorrect reports at the time, that he declined to disclose his advice, but that events had turned out in accordance with his advice. Whatever that means. Eden had no love for either man. Clarissa did, however, commiserate with Butler for having been passed over. I have a great many notes on Eden, but don't really have time for article-writing at the moment. Paulturtle ( talk) 03:01, 27 March 2016 (UTC) And as Michael Jago points out in his recent biography of Rab Butler, whatever advice Eden gave, he cannot (assuming he was later telling the truth) have endorsed Butler as his successor. He may have endorsed Macmillan, or he may have advised the Queen to have a straw poll taken of the Cabinet (as actually happened), or some other logical possibility. Paulturtle ( talk) 21:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
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Article has a lot of material and pictures.
Tom
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Article needs more than that to be A-class.-- Rmky87 21:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC) Quote: in later years [Eden] was often wrongly supposed to have resigned as Foreign Secretary in protest at the Munich Agreement. Unquote. Eden resigned in Febuary, 1938. The Munich agreement was signed in September, 1938. No one could suppose he resigned as a result of the Munich agreement. Mmayers. Mmayers ( talk) 05:50, 21 September 2011 (UTC) |
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The real reason Eden resigned was because the Americans refused to work with a British government led by him. ( 81.132.49.84 ( talk) 12:05, 16 June 2016 (UTC))
'Born in the year of Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee, he thus died in the year of Queen Elizabeth II's Silver Jubilee.' This sentence is essentially drivel, style over substance. It has no meaning, since neither royal anniversary is connected with his birth or death. You may as well say, 'Born in the year that Aston Villa won the FA Cup, he thus died in the year they won the League Cup.' This is rather better, in fact, since Eden was often seen down the Villa. -- OhNoPeedyPeebles ( talk) 09:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
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This article says he died of aids. Where on earth is that from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.2.218.131 ( talk) 03:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
He was demobilised on 13 June 1919. He retained the rank of captain.
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Conflict of information. The sidebar lists his MP resignation date as in January 1957 (same as his PM resignation date) but in the text it lists it as March 1957 (unlikely given the by-election was the 7th of March which would be too short a time in between). Anyone have confirmation? 14.38.64.126 ( talk) 15:56, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Why do we put Eton in the infobox, but not put it for other Prime Ministers who have graduated from it? -- Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii ( talk) 09:14, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
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In the Section of Foreign Affairs Minister, 1931–1935, there are two mentions of Eden's meeting with Hitler in 1935. The first one was added by me, from Mitrokhin archive. The second was added by someone else and the source is Litvinov biograhy. Although written separtely and without other sources for now, I doubt the two mentions are actually about the same meeting. If so, the two parts should be merged.-- Aronlee90 ( talk) 07:54, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
In the family section it says that "Eden's mother, Sybil Frances Grey, was a member of the famous Grey family of Northumberland (see below)". However there is nothing later in the article about the Grey family or their connection to Eden. I am not sure if something has been edited out or if someone intended to add something (possibly relating to Eden being a distant relation of his erstwhile colleague and fellow foreign Secretary Lord Halifax and the earlier holder of that office Sir Edward Grey via this familial connection). Indeed it is a bit odd that Halifax is not mentioned significantly in the article. However as it stands I am minded to remove the see below as it does not seem to relate to any current content, and as such is not of aid to readers of this article. Dunarc ( talk) 21:28, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
I wanted to raise a discussion point as to whether Eden actually was Deputy Prime Minister. Britannica states as such and Hansard seems to suggest the same (but that could be in an unofficial sense, I suppose).
However, Rodney Brazier in his new book, 'Choosing a Prime Minister: The Transfer of Power in Britain', on pages 72 and 77, states that Eden never officially was Deputy Prime Minister, because of the King's objection to the office. Does anybody else have any other sources on or thoughts about this? I don't have a copy of Eden's autobiography, but could that shed some light? FollowTheTortoise ( talk) 12:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
If he had a number of affairs with men then should we categorize him as bisexual? PatGallacher ( talk) 13:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Hey Rjensen. The reviews that I've seen on Bloch were all pretty similar: the book is fascinating but very uneven and while some parts are excellent, other times it veers into pure speculation. See [ Times], [ Review], [ Standard], [ Guardian]. IMO its not a reliable source, especially when we've got actual scholarly biographies of Eden. -- RaiderAspect ( talk) 07:56, 13 December 2021 (UTC)