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I'm linking to my latest revision which I believe meets the Manual of Style guidelines for disambiguation pages ( MOS:DAB) regarding an introductory line, linking to primary topic, organization of topics, and the removal of references on a disambiguation page.
Instead of warring back and forth, can we reach a consensus on this? Or at least provide some reasoning as to why you think this format should be scrapped entirely before making the edit? Bailmoney27 talk 13:55, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Someone has provided a reference to the Basic Law Annex III. I was wrong in assuming that there was no official national anthem. I have put the reference in the article for everyone's convenience. Remember, this isn't about whether we like CCP rule over HK - it's about acknowledging the reality, and the HK Basic Law spells this out. Styx & Stones ( talk) 17:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
The following national laws shall be applied locally with effect from 1 July 1997 . . . by the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region
The problem is, IP, you are taking stray words from the law and taking them out of context. Read as a whole, the law is unambiguous. Styx & Stones ( talk) 17:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
note: as a Special Administrative Region of China, "Yiyongjun Jinxingqu" is the official anthem (see China)
People need to stop arguing as there is no debate over facts. March of the Volunteers, whether we like it or not in Hong Kong, is protected under the National Anthem Ordinance - and incorporated into the education system as the “national anthem”. Hong Kong is an inalienable part of China under Article 1 of the Basic Law. “1 Country 2 Systems” still has the concept of 1 country, which includes the official acknowledgment of the National Anthem of the controlling state being used as the official national anthem, protected by statute.
It isn’t even a “de facto” national anthem, it’s an official national anthem - it is broadcast on TV stations in Hong Kong such as TVB Jade before the news for such recognition and purpose. So even if it isn’t your preference of a national anthem, it is the national anthem. Hk85200 ( talk) 17:54, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
@Coldermobile - stop putting misinformation on this page!! Hong Kong under Japanese Occupation did not have a flag of its own so the passage you have used is WRONG and needs to be deleted.
This edit warring needs to stop. “Mother country” is not proper English. Hk85200 ( talk) 02:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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"March of the Volunteers" is not the national anthem of Hong Kong from 1997.
Basic Law and the Law of Hong Kong didn‘t define what song will be the national anthem of Hong Kong from 1997 as Hong Kong is running the “one country two system” rule. This has not be change even China make an amendment to the Annex III of the Basic Law. It only require Hongkonger respect to the National Anthem of People Republic of China, there are no define "March of the Volunteers" will become or is the national anthem of Hong Kong.
Thus, until now, there do not have any offical national anthem of Hong Kong. Please change it back to the correct description. 82.38.166.22 ( talk) 15:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
change X to Y— if you wish to just have a normal discussion about the subject matter (i.e. general improvements to the page), you may do so, but not by improperly taking up WP:ER resources. El_C 16:07, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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142.115.139.253 ( talk) 13:05, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Flat out, Hong Kong isn't its own country. That's just a fact. Just because it has a flag. That doesn't mean anything or entitles it to it's own national anthem
Yet the first sentence stating that (even though Hong Kong has its own flag, it doesn't have its own national anthem). Except it shouldn't even have a national anthem when it is not even a country. It should instead be stated why it doesn't have a national anthem. Which is woefully missing. The whole article is so dumb as it gives the impression that Hong Kong needs a national anthem and clearly written by people unable to accept that Hong Kong is part of China and not a separate country. That's just reality and Wikipedia shouldn't have petty politics arguing that it is a country and expects a national anthem 49.195.24.220 ( talk) 01:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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It's completely irrelevant to state that in the first sentence that Hong Kong has its own flag. So does the state of California and Nevada, etc have flags, but they don't have a national anthem because they are not a country. You should remove the part saying that (even though it has a flag) because it is irrelevant. I don't see why it needs to be mentioned and just makes the article really stupid. 49.195.24.220 ( talk) 01:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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01:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Nations have national anthems. Cities do not. The anthem of a city, if it exists, is about the city, not the nation. Or about its football team. The issue arises because Hong Kong still has separate sports teams from mainland China. If you ask a Hongkonger what the city’s anthem is, if they weren’t afraid of being charged with sedition most would say “Glory to Hong Kong”. They would not deny what the national anthem is, but that’s a different question. I know in WP this is “original research” and has no place on the article page, but putting it on the talk page for some context. 115.69.5.12 ( talk) 14:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Maybe it should just be "anthem" and not "national anthem" to avoid misleading people into thinking HK is a country, When it is not but just a region and part of a country since 1997. I agree it maybe should be corrected however in the US, the national anthem sung in California or Texas is the same US National anthem. They call the anthem as "national anthem". Similarly the national anthem sung in Hong Kong is of course the country's national anthem because it is officially part of China. And most importantly, when Hong Kong sports teams compete overseas and stand at the podium. The correct national anthem is of course the March of volunteers. The page should not be claiming unofficial songs or disinformation on what the HK official national anthem is. Simpleshooter99 ( talk) 01:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Glory to HK is not even the anthem of the city, it is a representative anthem to a segment of HKers, not to the whole population. The only official National Anthem is March of the Volunteers. Hk85200 ( talk) 02:01, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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Hong Kong is part of China. So the Hong Kong national anthem is actually China national anthem. When Hong Kong sports representatives win any medal and stand on the podium, or enter a stadium for competition. The national anthem played is China national anthem. Kindly rectify this page. 182.239.88.17 ( talk) 00:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Like Wales which is not a sovereign entity having national anthem called " Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau", Hong Kong has unofficial national anthems. Coldermobile ( talk) 21:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
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Change "Unofficial national anthems" to "Controversial city anthems" Ccue168 ( talk) 16:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Only Glory to HK is significantly controversial because it was purposely for the movement. The other two are well-respected and popular HK songs that are sung by a large part of the population, and do represent a segment of the “people” or their “spirit”. Therefore they’re “unofficial national anthems” and not “controversial city anthems”. Hk85200 ( talk) 02:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
What's with the article? Controlling state? Occupied territory? Is Hong Kong deemed an occupied territory when it's officially part of China? What's with the labelling as if Hong Kong isn't really part of China? This article reeks of sinophobic hostilities. Instead of labelling Hong Kong as being an occupied territory, it should just say Hong Kong after 1997 and keep the one sided political rhetorics out. BTStruth ( talk) 16:51, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Occupied territory represents the time during the 2nd world war while it was occupied by Japan from 1941-45. There was no passage where it says occupied by China as that is categorically not true. Hk85200 ( talk) 01:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Please stop your sabotage edits on this page to continually add misinformation based on your beliefs. Go by fact rather than your own personal beliefs - whether you like it or not, March of the Volunteers is the official anthem of Hong Kong, protected by statute, and broadcast on TV and radio stations as well before the news as per requirement.
Stop adding the flag comment you love as that’s completely irrelevant to the National Anthem. Hk85200 ( talk) 01:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 14:51, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Official anthem of Hong Kong → Anthem of Hong Kong – The scope of the article is not only official anthem, thus it seems strange for title of the article say "official anthem". It is also more concise to delete the word official from the title without impacting clarity. C933103 ( talk) 09:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
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There seems to be no consensus on this page at all about ordering, format, inclusion of certain topics.
I'm linking to my latest revision which I believe meets the Manual of Style guidelines for disambiguation pages ( MOS:DAB) regarding an introductory line, linking to primary topic, organization of topics, and the removal of references on a disambiguation page.
Instead of warring back and forth, can we reach a consensus on this? Or at least provide some reasoning as to why you think this format should be scrapped entirely before making the edit? Bailmoney27 talk 13:55, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Someone has provided a reference to the Basic Law Annex III. I was wrong in assuming that there was no official national anthem. I have put the reference in the article for everyone's convenience. Remember, this isn't about whether we like CCP rule over HK - it's about acknowledging the reality, and the HK Basic Law spells this out. Styx & Stones ( talk) 17:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
The following national laws shall be applied locally with effect from 1 July 1997 . . . by the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region
The problem is, IP, you are taking stray words from the law and taking them out of context. Read as a whole, the law is unambiguous. Styx & Stones ( talk) 17:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
note: as a Special Administrative Region of China, "Yiyongjun Jinxingqu" is the official anthem (see China)
People need to stop arguing as there is no debate over facts. March of the Volunteers, whether we like it or not in Hong Kong, is protected under the National Anthem Ordinance - and incorporated into the education system as the “national anthem”. Hong Kong is an inalienable part of China under Article 1 of the Basic Law. “1 Country 2 Systems” still has the concept of 1 country, which includes the official acknowledgment of the National Anthem of the controlling state being used as the official national anthem, protected by statute.
It isn’t even a “de facto” national anthem, it’s an official national anthem - it is broadcast on TV stations in Hong Kong such as TVB Jade before the news for such recognition and purpose. So even if it isn’t your preference of a national anthem, it is the national anthem. Hk85200 ( talk) 17:54, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
@Coldermobile - stop putting misinformation on this page!! Hong Kong under Japanese Occupation did not have a flag of its own so the passage you have used is WRONG and needs to be deleted.
This edit warring needs to stop. “Mother country” is not proper English. Hk85200 ( talk) 02:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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"March of the Volunteers" is not the national anthem of Hong Kong from 1997.
Basic Law and the Law of Hong Kong didn‘t define what song will be the national anthem of Hong Kong from 1997 as Hong Kong is running the “one country two system” rule. This has not be change even China make an amendment to the Annex III of the Basic Law. It only require Hongkonger respect to the National Anthem of People Republic of China, there are no define "March of the Volunteers" will become or is the national anthem of Hong Kong.
Thus, until now, there do not have any offical national anthem of Hong Kong. Please change it back to the correct description. 82.38.166.22 ( talk) 15:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
change X to Y— if you wish to just have a normal discussion about the subject matter (i.e. general improvements to the page), you may do so, but not by improperly taking up WP:ER resources. El_C 16:07, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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142.115.139.253 ( talk) 13:05, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Flat out, Hong Kong isn't its own country. That's just a fact. Just because it has a flag. That doesn't mean anything or entitles it to it's own national anthem
Yet the first sentence stating that (even though Hong Kong has its own flag, it doesn't have its own national anthem). Except it shouldn't even have a national anthem when it is not even a country. It should instead be stated why it doesn't have a national anthem. Which is woefully missing. The whole article is so dumb as it gives the impression that Hong Kong needs a national anthem and clearly written by people unable to accept that Hong Kong is part of China and not a separate country. That's just reality and Wikipedia shouldn't have petty politics arguing that it is a country and expects a national anthem 49.195.24.220 ( talk) 01:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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It's completely irrelevant to state that in the first sentence that Hong Kong has its own flag. So does the state of California and Nevada, etc have flags, but they don't have a national anthem because they are not a country. You should remove the part saying that (even though it has a flag) because it is irrelevant. I don't see why it needs to be mentioned and just makes the article really stupid. 49.195.24.220 ( talk) 01:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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01:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Nations have national anthems. Cities do not. The anthem of a city, if it exists, is about the city, not the nation. Or about its football team. The issue arises because Hong Kong still has separate sports teams from mainland China. If you ask a Hongkonger what the city’s anthem is, if they weren’t afraid of being charged with sedition most would say “Glory to Hong Kong”. They would not deny what the national anthem is, but that’s a different question. I know in WP this is “original research” and has no place on the article page, but putting it on the talk page for some context. 115.69.5.12 ( talk) 14:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Maybe it should just be "anthem" and not "national anthem" to avoid misleading people into thinking HK is a country, When it is not but just a region and part of a country since 1997. I agree it maybe should be corrected however in the US, the national anthem sung in California or Texas is the same US National anthem. They call the anthem as "national anthem". Similarly the national anthem sung in Hong Kong is of course the country's national anthem because it is officially part of China. And most importantly, when Hong Kong sports teams compete overseas and stand at the podium. The correct national anthem is of course the March of volunteers. The page should not be claiming unofficial songs or disinformation on what the HK official national anthem is. Simpleshooter99 ( talk) 01:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Glory to HK is not even the anthem of the city, it is a representative anthem to a segment of HKers, not to the whole population. The only official National Anthem is March of the Volunteers. Hk85200 ( talk) 02:01, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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Hong Kong is part of China. So the Hong Kong national anthem is actually China national anthem. When Hong Kong sports representatives win any medal and stand on the podium, or enter a stadium for competition. The national anthem played is China national anthem. Kindly rectify this page. 182.239.88.17 ( talk) 00:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Like Wales which is not a sovereign entity having national anthem called " Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau", Hong Kong has unofficial national anthems. Coldermobile ( talk) 21:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
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Change "Unofficial national anthems" to "Controversial city anthems" Ccue168 ( talk) 16:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Only Glory to HK is significantly controversial because it was purposely for the movement. The other two are well-respected and popular HK songs that are sung by a large part of the population, and do represent a segment of the “people” or their “spirit”. Therefore they’re “unofficial national anthems” and not “controversial city anthems”. Hk85200 ( talk) 02:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
What's with the article? Controlling state? Occupied territory? Is Hong Kong deemed an occupied territory when it's officially part of China? What's with the labelling as if Hong Kong isn't really part of China? This article reeks of sinophobic hostilities. Instead of labelling Hong Kong as being an occupied territory, it should just say Hong Kong after 1997 and keep the one sided political rhetorics out. BTStruth ( talk) 16:51, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Occupied territory represents the time during the 2nd world war while it was occupied by Japan from 1941-45. There was no passage where it says occupied by China as that is categorically not true. Hk85200 ( talk) 01:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Please stop your sabotage edits on this page to continually add misinformation based on your beliefs. Go by fact rather than your own personal beliefs - whether you like it or not, March of the Volunteers is the official anthem of Hong Kong, protected by statute, and broadcast on TV and radio stations as well before the news as per requirement.
Stop adding the flag comment you love as that’s completely irrelevant to the National Anthem. Hk85200 ( talk) 01:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 14:51, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Official anthem of Hong Kong → Anthem of Hong Kong – The scope of the article is not only official anthem, thus it seems strange for title of the article say "official anthem". It is also more concise to delete the word official from the title without impacting clarity. C933103 ( talk) 09:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)