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The date for when Annette Kellerman's husband was born is listed as 1912 but in the body of the article it says the two were married in November of 1912. How is it that he could be born the same year they married? I think his date of birth is incorrect (it would make her 25 years his superior) but I'm unsure about the correct date. 212.243.64.70 ( talk) 15:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
According to List of poliomyelitis survivors, Kellerman met with President Roosevelt and "devised some exercises for him." This is probably notable enough to mention. (That and the fact that there is a significant gap in this article between the 1920s and 1970s.) -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 07:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I've noticed that in many older sources, her last name is spelled with two Ns (Kellermann). Which is the correct spelling, then; Kellerman or Kellermann? Amvros ( talk) 23:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Why is there no longer a mention of Kellerman's accident when she was filming a movie? That was a significant part of her life and how it affected her physically. I could of sworn there used to be mention of this accident in this article-- Can anyone shed light on why none of this part of her life is included here? Thanks 69.249.125.97 ( talk) 18:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC) BrattySoul
-update- I actually found a link to a Melbourne newspaper(The Argus) to the water tank accident that was during the filming of Neptune's Daughter in Bermuda at an Aquarium on Agar's Island Feb 3, 1914 as reported from New York-
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/7268040
I also found an article from a Bermuda news source that this paticular film was considereed 'lost' and now found in 2010 with the story behind the reported 'exhibition' being given by Ms. Kellermann, however it states it was her and the director injured as they were working on a 'fight scene':
http://bernews.com/2010/12/video-neptunes-daughter-resurfaces/
I also found an Silent Movie page that advises there was a legal battle over her contract and ability to begin her film career. https://wfpp.cdrs.columbia.edu/pioneer/ccp-annette-kellerman/
There was no other info, unsure how to add this to the article or if noteworthy. 69.249.125.97 ( talk) 20:08, 25 June 2015 (UTC)BS
There is more about her in this good BBC article Onanoff ( talk) 10:15, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 04:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Annette Kellermann → Annette Kellerman – This entry was created in October 2004 as "Annette Kellerman". Between 2011 and 2016 a number of postings discussed the surname under Talk:Annette Kellermann#Proper spelling of name?, above. in November 2015, the main title header was unilaterally moved to "Annette Kellermann", despite the following line by Jack of Oz (at 00:28, 14 April 2011): "And yet, the Australian Dictionary of Biography entry, which is one of the main sources for our article, spells it with 2 n's throughout, without even acknowledging the 1-n version ever existed, let alone being almost universally found." Indeed, while there were occasional listings of her name on posters and postcards as "Kellermann", the predominant spelling has been "Kellerman" ( Britannica Online, British Film Institute, American Film Institute Catalog, Women Film Pioneers Project, IMDb, Turner Classic Movies, AllMovie, TVGuide, Find a Grave, etc). — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:45, 5 October 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. feminist (talk) | free Hong Kong 02:13, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Being born in 1887, in the year 1900, Kellermann would have turned 13. Was she actually 12 or 13 years of age in the picture? I find that difficult to believe. -- 2A0A:A541:E1FB:0:6C8E:9C42:692:2BF8 ( talk) 15:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
I changed the report that Kellermann was arrested in 1907 on Revere Beach for Public Indedcency, and replaced the cite with my own book, Lost Wonderland (UMass Press 2020). There are no contemporary police records corroborating this story, and no newspaper reports of it. Kellermamn herself did not start telling the story until the 1920s. Yet there are plenty of other stories of women being arrested at Revere Beach for indecency because of their swimsuits, and there are news reports of Kellermann's arrests for other causes. Her abbreviated and form-fitting bathing suits were well known in Revere -- there had been a news report about her in the Revere local paper a year earlier. I suggest in my book that she had a reason to make up the story, to draw attention from her unintended involvement in a spectacular divorce case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephen Wilk ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved – the nominator makes a strong case rooted in policy, and there have been no explicit objections to the proposal. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:35, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Annette Kellermann → Annette Kellerman – per WP:COMMONNAME. This article was created in October 2004 as "Annette Kellerman" and remained under that main title header for 11 years until it was unilaterally moved in November 2015 to "Annette Kellermann". The original title should be restored, per WP:RETAIN, unless there is consensus for a move to "Kellermann" and such consensus is extremely unlikely to be obtained because the use of "Kellerman" is completely overwhelming. A hundred years ago, she was referenced as either "Kellermann" or "Kellerman" but, since then, it is entirely "Kellerman". Her father was violinist Frederick Kellerman, not Kellermann and her birth certificate lists her as "Kellerman", not "Kellermann". Furthermore, two biographies — 2005's The Original Million Dollar Mermaid: The Annette Kellerman Story and 2009's Mermaid Queen: The Spectacular True Story Of Annette Kellerman, Who Swam Her Way To Fame, Fortune & Swimsuit History! — both use "Kellerman" as does the 1952 biopic, Million Dollar Mermaid, with Esther Williams as Kellerman, as well as the 2016 documentary, The Original Mermaid The Amazing Story of ANNETTE KELLERMAN SUPERSTAR SUPERWOMAN. In her native Australia, there is the Annette Kellerman Aquatic Centre. Her entries in all the reference books and databases use "Kellerman" — Encyclopedia Britannica, Encyclopedia Americana, Compton's Encyclopedia, World Book Encyclopedia, Encarta Encyclopedia and every other encyclopedia I've checked, along with British Film Institute, American Film Institute Catalog, Women Film Pioneers Project, IMDb, Turner Classic Movies, AllMovie, TVGuide, Find a Grave, etc. Finally, all the modern-day media references use "Kellerman" — her 1975 obituary in The New York Times, 2010 rediscovery of her 1913 starring film, a detailed BBC article in 2016 and many more. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 10:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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The date for when Annette Kellerman's husband was born is listed as 1912 but in the body of the article it says the two were married in November of 1912. How is it that he could be born the same year they married? I think his date of birth is incorrect (it would make her 25 years his superior) but I'm unsure about the correct date. 212.243.64.70 ( talk) 15:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
According to List of poliomyelitis survivors, Kellerman met with President Roosevelt and "devised some exercises for him." This is probably notable enough to mention. (That and the fact that there is a significant gap in this article between the 1920s and 1970s.) -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 07:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I've noticed that in many older sources, her last name is spelled with two Ns (Kellermann). Which is the correct spelling, then; Kellerman or Kellermann? Amvros ( talk) 23:18, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Why is there no longer a mention of Kellerman's accident when she was filming a movie? That was a significant part of her life and how it affected her physically. I could of sworn there used to be mention of this accident in this article-- Can anyone shed light on why none of this part of her life is included here? Thanks 69.249.125.97 ( talk) 18:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC) BrattySoul
-update- I actually found a link to a Melbourne newspaper(The Argus) to the water tank accident that was during the filming of Neptune's Daughter in Bermuda at an Aquarium on Agar's Island Feb 3, 1914 as reported from New York-
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/7268040
I also found an article from a Bermuda news source that this paticular film was considereed 'lost' and now found in 2010 with the story behind the reported 'exhibition' being given by Ms. Kellermann, however it states it was her and the director injured as they were working on a 'fight scene':
http://bernews.com/2010/12/video-neptunes-daughter-resurfaces/
I also found an Silent Movie page that advises there was a legal battle over her contract and ability to begin her film career. https://wfpp.cdrs.columbia.edu/pioneer/ccp-annette-kellerman/
There was no other info, unsure how to add this to the article or if noteworthy. 69.249.125.97 ( talk) 20:08, 25 June 2015 (UTC)BS
There is more about her in this good BBC article Onanoff ( talk) 10:15, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 04:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Annette Kellermann → Annette Kellerman – This entry was created in October 2004 as "Annette Kellerman". Between 2011 and 2016 a number of postings discussed the surname under Talk:Annette Kellermann#Proper spelling of name?, above. in November 2015, the main title header was unilaterally moved to "Annette Kellermann", despite the following line by Jack of Oz (at 00:28, 14 April 2011): "And yet, the Australian Dictionary of Biography entry, which is one of the main sources for our article, spells it with 2 n's throughout, without even acknowledging the 1-n version ever existed, let alone being almost universally found." Indeed, while there were occasional listings of her name on posters and postcards as "Kellermann", the predominant spelling has been "Kellerman" ( Britannica Online, British Film Institute, American Film Institute Catalog, Women Film Pioneers Project, IMDb, Turner Classic Movies, AllMovie, TVGuide, Find a Grave, etc). — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:45, 5 October 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. feminist (talk) | free Hong Kong 02:13, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Being born in 1887, in the year 1900, Kellermann would have turned 13. Was she actually 12 or 13 years of age in the picture? I find that difficult to believe. -- 2A0A:A541:E1FB:0:6C8E:9C42:692:2BF8 ( talk) 15:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
I changed the report that Kellermann was arrested in 1907 on Revere Beach for Public Indedcency, and replaced the cite with my own book, Lost Wonderland (UMass Press 2020). There are no contemporary police records corroborating this story, and no newspaper reports of it. Kellermamn herself did not start telling the story until the 1920s. Yet there are plenty of other stories of women being arrested at Revere Beach for indecency because of their swimsuits, and there are news reports of Kellermann's arrests for other causes. Her abbreviated and form-fitting bathing suits were well known in Revere -- there had been a news report about her in the Revere local paper a year earlier. I suggest in my book that she had a reason to make up the story, to draw attention from her unintended involvement in a spectacular divorce case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephen Wilk ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved – the nominator makes a strong case rooted in policy, and there have been no explicit objections to the proposal. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:35, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Annette Kellermann → Annette Kellerman – per WP:COMMONNAME. This article was created in October 2004 as "Annette Kellerman" and remained under that main title header for 11 years until it was unilaterally moved in November 2015 to "Annette Kellermann". The original title should be restored, per WP:RETAIN, unless there is consensus for a move to "Kellermann" and such consensus is extremely unlikely to be obtained because the use of "Kellerman" is completely overwhelming. A hundred years ago, she was referenced as either "Kellermann" or "Kellerman" but, since then, it is entirely "Kellerman". Her father was violinist Frederick Kellerman, not Kellermann and her birth certificate lists her as "Kellerman", not "Kellermann". Furthermore, two biographies — 2005's The Original Million Dollar Mermaid: The Annette Kellerman Story and 2009's Mermaid Queen: The Spectacular True Story Of Annette Kellerman, Who Swam Her Way To Fame, Fortune & Swimsuit History! — both use "Kellerman" as does the 1952 biopic, Million Dollar Mermaid, with Esther Williams as Kellerman, as well as the 2016 documentary, The Original Mermaid The Amazing Story of ANNETTE KELLERMAN SUPERSTAR SUPERWOMAN. In her native Australia, there is the Annette Kellerman Aquatic Centre. Her entries in all the reference books and databases use "Kellerman" — Encyclopedia Britannica, Encyclopedia Americana, Compton's Encyclopedia, World Book Encyclopedia, Encarta Encyclopedia and every other encyclopedia I've checked, along with British Film Institute, American Film Institute Catalog, Women Film Pioneers Project, IMDb, Turner Classic Movies, AllMovie, TVGuide, Find a Grave, etc. Finally, all the modern-day media references use "Kellerman" — her 1975 obituary in The New York Times, 2010 rediscovery of her 1913 starring film, a detailed BBC article in 2016 and many more. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 10:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)