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I'm confused... shouldn't this be: "The only leading Asian man in the silent era was Sessue Hayakawa, in no small part because white actors would usually play in yellowface even if all of the characters in the movie were Asian." Would that be considered original research? It doesn't have to be bolded in the text, but it seems like a pretty strange oversight to make. 129.119.164.75 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
There have been a few changes made to the article since it has made FA status, not all to the good, I think. First: Her Chinese name in the lead. That was discussed, and input obtained from China-specialist editors, who said it was not necessary, since the Chinese is given in the infobox, and Wong was of American birth and American/European in career. Second: The "Popular culture" section. These sections are, at best, random collections of trivia. If the factoid is important enough-- and sourced, it should be integrated into the body of the article-- probably in the "Legacy" section. I see nothing important enough in the section currently to include in an encyclopedic article on Anna May Wong. The trivial mention in a (notable) Broadway song is also, with regards to the life of Anna May Wong, trivia, I believe, and not worth including in a biography. Not insiginificantly, the cited source does not even back up the mention of Wong in the lyric. If the article were to undergo FA review today, certainly this would be one of the first things to be thrown out. But since other editors have expressed the opinion that this mention in the lyric is worth including, I will hold off removing it. Since this is, after all, a Featured Article, and since these other bits of trivia are unsourced, I'll remove them now. I'll wait for input from other concerned editors before removing the other additions. Dekkappai ( talk) 23:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
On Anna May Wong has just been broadcast, half an hour long, lots of clips and quotes. Here are the details - "A Celestial Star in Picadilly: Anna Chen presents a tribute to Hollywood's first Chinese-American movie star, Anna May Wong, star of the classic 1929 silent movie Piccadilly. Filmed in London, it made her a celebrity in Britain in the 1930s. Despite her talent, Wong struggled against racial prejudice throughout her career, and was banned from even kissing her leading men. However, her reputation is now enjoying a revival thanks to the restoration and re-release of Piccadilly." Sadly it's not available yet on the Listen Again facility on the website: [1]. 82.32.238.139 ( talk) 12:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
notice how her given and middle name sounds like japanese ANIME? that's cool, very cool. too bad she isn't japanese though, it would work even better ; - ) 24.129.235.8 ( talk) 05:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Apparently there was another actress named Anna May Wong in the late '50s, early '60s. More than one source mentions an Anna May Wong in an Anthony Quinn film of this era, pointing out that she is not this Anna May Wong. And more than one source mis-identifies the actress as this Anna May Wong... Right now, we have a "reliable source" (the Parish chapter) saying she was in Danger Man and an anon editor saying she wasn't... I see on the Internet HERE-- what appears to be a fan/review site-- which says the Danger Man Anna May is not this one... tv.com says it is her. I suspect the anon editor and the fan site may be right, so I'll do some investigating today and see if I can find a good source that says so. Otherwise, I suppose, we have to go with "Verifiability"-- good sources which give an incorrect piece of information-- over "Truth"-- weak sourcing which may point out correct information. Or, alternatively, we could just leave mention of it out of the article. Dekkappai ( talk) 16:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a bit surprising that no mention is made of Anna May Wong's portrayal of Tiger Lily, the Princess of the Indians, in the 1924 version of "Peter Pan." Not only was it a notable role, but it adds an interesting twist to Ms. Wong's frustrations about Asians not being cast as Asians, and further illustrates the challenges of ethnicity in film.
That said, this is a great article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.18.145 ( talk) 16:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Is it 2 February or 3 February 1961?
So, what's the right date and why? And which ever one it is, why do so many sources prefer the other date? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 13:19, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
IMDB and Wikipedia both dont list it but I was wondering what others thought. I seen " Why change your wife?" (1920 Cecil B DeMille pic) tonight and I swear in the fashion house scene where Thomas Meighan goes to buy lingerie for his wife the Chinese servant in the background is Anna. Whoever she was she was on screen for all of 2 minutes and just that scene, but it looked just like her. Anyone else have any info on this?-- Maggiedane ( talk) 06:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
The article carefully avoids to point out that Anna May Wong was a victim of WASP racism - that is cowardy and dishonest. Bernard Reiser, Germany — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.127.5.247 ( talk) 10:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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This article lists three children who purportedly survived Wong. Is there a source to indicate that these people existed? Wong was famously unmarried. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40B:201:E130:65E4:A9F5:8C44:9A2C ( talk) 21:56, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
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At the top of the article it states that Ms Wong died of cirrhosis of the liver, but in the death section it says heart attack and does not mention cirrhosis at all. If the two were related, it would make sense to mention that in the death section, no? 2601:401:1:18AB:A0FC:EC1D:77C7:BE25 ( talk) 17:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Since there's no mention of a husband or children, I assume Wong had neither? Elsquared ( talk) 01:47, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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This is pathetic, the sort of thing that will forever keep Wikipedia, if not a laughingstock, then severely lacking in credibility--unless, of course, the aim is to make Wikipedia the in-depth pop culture resource of choice. If so, then by all means, let's have more 6,000-plus word articles on minor Hollywood figures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pernoctus ( talk • contribs) 02:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Truth hurts, doesn't it Dekkappai. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.138.89.181 ( talk) 05:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Pretty ironic that a woman who complained of being typecast OR not selected for movies b/c of her race was an "inseparable friend" of Leni Riefenstahl. LOL. Sure you want to emphasize that? Sure it's true? You write about it like that's a compliment to Ms. Wong. I came here just b/c of the Google cartoon about her to learn a little more. Well, I did indeed learn a little more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.138.89.181 ( talk) 05:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
In the section "stardom" it says that the affair with Tod Browning was "largely known of at the time: it was an interracial relationship and Wong was underage". Shouldn't it be "unknown of" at the time? Tweisbach ( talk) 05:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
RE "family ?" section above. No mention of husbands or kids yet the photo of her grave marker says "out beloved mother". ???? What kids? Article mentions none. There is virtually nothing on her personal life. This is a glaring error. 214.3.138.230 ( talk) 14:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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Please correct the 'aka' for "Schmutziges Geld" to reflect the actual translation, which is 'Dirty Money'. 129.176.151.15 ( talk) 18:09, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
I agree with those who say there is a dearth of info on Wong's personal life. I found one source I would not consider reliable that says this: "Her personal life was just as tumultuous as her screen career. At 17, she had an affair with the director Tod Browning who was not only older but married as well. Most of her relationships were with white men, which Anna May kept out of the public eye. An interracial relationship would have ended her career. She was openly admitted in interviews that she would most likely never marry, claiming that Chinese and Chinese-American men found her too independent. Her sister, Mary Wong, who had also pursued a career in film, committed suicide. Suffering on and off from depression, Anna began to drink and smoke heavily, which over the years began to take its toll on her health. Still she forged on with her career, receiving a start on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in 1960. She was just about to start shooting Flower Drum Song in 1961, when she died suddenly of a heart attack during her sleep. She was only 56." If a reliable source is we could add the bits of info this has. I see this has her 2 years younger than the article has her when she was involved with Browning.
This has a lot of info on her and seems reliable: https://www.writtenchinese.com/life-times-anna-may-wong/ It has several solid references at the end. Seven Pandas ( talk) 22:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
For further reading, please see the 2019 book by Singaporean writer Amanda Lee Koe, "Delayed Rays of a Star", out on Doubleday, which directly tracks the life of Anna May Wong alongside two other women of the era, Marlene Dietrich and Leni Riefenstahl. High praise from NPR and Publishers Weekly. It has it's own wiki for better sourcing: /info/en/?search=Amanda_Lee_Koe#Delayed_Rays_of_a_Star — Preceding unsigned comment added by Postnumbra ( talk • contribs) 23:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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I'm confused... shouldn't this be: "The only leading Asian man in the silent era was Sessue Hayakawa, in no small part because white actors would usually play in yellowface even if all of the characters in the movie were Asian." Would that be considered original research? It doesn't have to be bolded in the text, but it seems like a pretty strange oversight to make. 129.119.164.75 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
There have been a few changes made to the article since it has made FA status, not all to the good, I think. First: Her Chinese name in the lead. That was discussed, and input obtained from China-specialist editors, who said it was not necessary, since the Chinese is given in the infobox, and Wong was of American birth and American/European in career. Second: The "Popular culture" section. These sections are, at best, random collections of trivia. If the factoid is important enough-- and sourced, it should be integrated into the body of the article-- probably in the "Legacy" section. I see nothing important enough in the section currently to include in an encyclopedic article on Anna May Wong. The trivial mention in a (notable) Broadway song is also, with regards to the life of Anna May Wong, trivia, I believe, and not worth including in a biography. Not insiginificantly, the cited source does not even back up the mention of Wong in the lyric. If the article were to undergo FA review today, certainly this would be one of the first things to be thrown out. But since other editors have expressed the opinion that this mention in the lyric is worth including, I will hold off removing it. Since this is, after all, a Featured Article, and since these other bits of trivia are unsourced, I'll remove them now. I'll wait for input from other concerned editors before removing the other additions. Dekkappai ( talk) 23:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
On Anna May Wong has just been broadcast, half an hour long, lots of clips and quotes. Here are the details - "A Celestial Star in Picadilly: Anna Chen presents a tribute to Hollywood's first Chinese-American movie star, Anna May Wong, star of the classic 1929 silent movie Piccadilly. Filmed in London, it made her a celebrity in Britain in the 1930s. Despite her talent, Wong struggled against racial prejudice throughout her career, and was banned from even kissing her leading men. However, her reputation is now enjoying a revival thanks to the restoration and re-release of Piccadilly." Sadly it's not available yet on the Listen Again facility on the website: [1]. 82.32.238.139 ( talk) 12:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
notice how her given and middle name sounds like japanese ANIME? that's cool, very cool. too bad she isn't japanese though, it would work even better ; - ) 24.129.235.8 ( talk) 05:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Apparently there was another actress named Anna May Wong in the late '50s, early '60s. More than one source mentions an Anna May Wong in an Anthony Quinn film of this era, pointing out that she is not this Anna May Wong. And more than one source mis-identifies the actress as this Anna May Wong... Right now, we have a "reliable source" (the Parish chapter) saying she was in Danger Man and an anon editor saying she wasn't... I see on the Internet HERE-- what appears to be a fan/review site-- which says the Danger Man Anna May is not this one... tv.com says it is her. I suspect the anon editor and the fan site may be right, so I'll do some investigating today and see if I can find a good source that says so. Otherwise, I suppose, we have to go with "Verifiability"-- good sources which give an incorrect piece of information-- over "Truth"-- weak sourcing which may point out correct information. Or, alternatively, we could just leave mention of it out of the article. Dekkappai ( talk) 16:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a bit surprising that no mention is made of Anna May Wong's portrayal of Tiger Lily, the Princess of the Indians, in the 1924 version of "Peter Pan." Not only was it a notable role, but it adds an interesting twist to Ms. Wong's frustrations about Asians not being cast as Asians, and further illustrates the challenges of ethnicity in film.
That said, this is a great article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.18.145 ( talk) 16:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Is it 2 February or 3 February 1961?
So, what's the right date and why? And which ever one it is, why do so many sources prefer the other date? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 13:19, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
IMDB and Wikipedia both dont list it but I was wondering what others thought. I seen " Why change your wife?" (1920 Cecil B DeMille pic) tonight and I swear in the fashion house scene where Thomas Meighan goes to buy lingerie for his wife the Chinese servant in the background is Anna. Whoever she was she was on screen for all of 2 minutes and just that scene, but it looked just like her. Anyone else have any info on this?-- Maggiedane ( talk) 06:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
The article carefully avoids to point out that Anna May Wong was a victim of WASP racism - that is cowardy and dishonest. Bernard Reiser, Germany — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.127.5.247 ( talk) 10:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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This article lists three children who purportedly survived Wong. Is there a source to indicate that these people existed? Wong was famously unmarried. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40B:201:E130:65E4:A9F5:8C44:9A2C ( talk) 21:56, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
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At the top of the article it states that Ms Wong died of cirrhosis of the liver, but in the death section it says heart attack and does not mention cirrhosis at all. If the two were related, it would make sense to mention that in the death section, no? 2601:401:1:18AB:A0FC:EC1D:77C7:BE25 ( talk) 17:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Since there's no mention of a husband or children, I assume Wong had neither? Elsquared ( talk) 01:47, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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This is pathetic, the sort of thing that will forever keep Wikipedia, if not a laughingstock, then severely lacking in credibility--unless, of course, the aim is to make Wikipedia the in-depth pop culture resource of choice. If so, then by all means, let's have more 6,000-plus word articles on minor Hollywood figures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pernoctus ( talk • contribs) 02:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Truth hurts, doesn't it Dekkappai. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.138.89.181 ( talk) 05:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Pretty ironic that a woman who complained of being typecast OR not selected for movies b/c of her race was an "inseparable friend" of Leni Riefenstahl. LOL. Sure you want to emphasize that? Sure it's true? You write about it like that's a compliment to Ms. Wong. I came here just b/c of the Google cartoon about her to learn a little more. Well, I did indeed learn a little more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.138.89.181 ( talk) 05:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
In the section "stardom" it says that the affair with Tod Browning was "largely known of at the time: it was an interracial relationship and Wong was underage". Shouldn't it be "unknown of" at the time? Tweisbach ( talk) 05:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
RE "family ?" section above. No mention of husbands or kids yet the photo of her grave marker says "out beloved mother". ???? What kids? Article mentions none. There is virtually nothing on her personal life. This is a glaring error. 214.3.138.230 ( talk) 14:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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Please correct the 'aka' for "Schmutziges Geld" to reflect the actual translation, which is 'Dirty Money'. 129.176.151.15 ( talk) 18:09, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
I agree with those who say there is a dearth of info on Wong's personal life. I found one source I would not consider reliable that says this: "Her personal life was just as tumultuous as her screen career. At 17, she had an affair with the director Tod Browning who was not only older but married as well. Most of her relationships were with white men, which Anna May kept out of the public eye. An interracial relationship would have ended her career. She was openly admitted in interviews that she would most likely never marry, claiming that Chinese and Chinese-American men found her too independent. Her sister, Mary Wong, who had also pursued a career in film, committed suicide. Suffering on and off from depression, Anna began to drink and smoke heavily, which over the years began to take its toll on her health. Still she forged on with her career, receiving a start on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in 1960. She was just about to start shooting Flower Drum Song in 1961, when she died suddenly of a heart attack during her sleep. She was only 56." If a reliable source is we could add the bits of info this has. I see this has her 2 years younger than the article has her when she was involved with Browning.
This has a lot of info on her and seems reliable: https://www.writtenchinese.com/life-times-anna-may-wong/ It has several solid references at the end. Seven Pandas ( talk) 22:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
For further reading, please see the 2019 book by Singaporean writer Amanda Lee Koe, "Delayed Rays of a Star", out on Doubleday, which directly tracks the life of Anna May Wong alongside two other women of the era, Marlene Dietrich and Leni Riefenstahl. High praise from NPR and Publishers Weekly. It has it's own wiki for better sourcing: /info/en/?search=Amanda_Lee_Koe#Delayed_Rays_of_a_Star — Preceding unsigned comment added by Postnumbra ( talk • contribs) 23:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)