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The evidence available that relates Andronovo culture to Iranians (or even Indians), is extreemly weak, yet it is often cited (especially among western scholars). The article needs input from the opposing view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.16.113.3 ( talk) 20:57, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
In the comment field I recently read about the circumstance that due to the fact that sources which are partially questioning the Indo-Iranian identification of Andronovo are not regarded reliable by some users at all. In regard to the above mentioned occasion, I quote some supplementary data from academic circles.
- More on Archaeology and Language: Mario Alinei, Richard N. Frye: Current Anthropology, Vol. 44, No. 1 (February 2003), pp. 109-110. Published by: The University of Chicago Press on behalf of Wenner-Gren Foundation for Anthropological Research. DOI: 10.1086/345686:
- Archaeology and Language: The Indo-Iranians, by C.C. Lamberg-Karlovsky, Harvard University, Current Anthropology Volume 43, Number 1, February 2002, © by The Wenner-Gren Foundation for Anthropological Research, pp.63-84:
- C.C. Lamberg-Karlovsky, In: The Indo-Aryan Controversy: Evidence and Inference in Indian History. Edwin Bryant, Associate Professor of Early Indian Religions and Laurie Patton, Laurie Patton, Routledge 2013, pp.142-172:
That's all for the beginning, I hope that these implementations were helpful. -- Radosfrester talk to me 17:30, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
"Archaeological investigations likewise suggest that in the steppe region of Central Asia and the Altai Mountains, the first food production began towards the end of the third millennium BC and that the peoples who first entered this region were Caucasoid of the Afanasevo culture who came from the Aral Sea area (Kelteminar culture)."
I don't see anything in the sole citation
[1] given for this that supports these statements. Where does it say "Caucasoid", or that Afanasevo was the first culture to enter the Altai, or anything about Kelteminar?
Another thing worth mentioning is that the Ismagulov link looks like a self published source.
This section emphasizes the 'Caucasoidness' of of Andronovo, but some authors note "Mongoloid" features in some skulls. [2]. However this is not to say that I am suggesting this citation should be added, because I'm sure this section will come under futher scrutiny soon. There has been increased discussion about the validity of relying on racial-taxonomical concepts in the appearance/anthropology sections of these types of articles, i.e. at Talk:Scythians. - Hunan201p ( talk) 22:19, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
The sources cited are fine; however, it is not such simple to draw an exact start and end, depending on at least the still actual radiocarbon curves in [1] Further, it MUST be made clear wether the sources include, e.g. at the beginning of Andronovo, the Sintashta, Petrovka, Fjoderovo, Krotovo, or Karagash II complexes. HJJHolm ( talk) 05:46, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
HJJHolm ( talk) 05:46, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
"Keyser et al. (2009) published a study of the ancient Siberian cultures, the Andronovo culture, the Karasuk culture, the Tagar culture and the Tashtyk culture. Ten individuals of the Andronovo horizon in southern Siberia from 1400 BC to 1000 BC were surveyed." See the chronological difference? - I looked it up, and beware, ALL miscitations! K (Table 1) gives all Andronovo results correctly by "1800-1400 BC" which I now corrected here in the article. HJJHolm ( talk) 05:50, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
I added the significance of the abundant R-Z93 SNPs based upon counting in Quiles "all-ancient-dna--207-73; cf. also SNP'-tracker R-Z93.
A request to the other editors: 1. Please start the sub-paragraphs with Author and year, the journal belongs into the references. 2. Please note the SNP as in may example, because the DNA nomenclature changes too often. Thank You. HJJHolm ( talk) 06:25, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
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Worldview, the inclusive BCE convention has been standardized throughout as has been common in the revisionist bastion of the
Ivory Tower for over 30 years.
Walking my talk in
Beauty
B9 hummingbird hovering (
talk •
contribs) 23:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The evidence available that relates Andronovo culture to Iranians (or even Indians), is extreemly weak, yet it is often cited (especially among western scholars). The article needs input from the opposing view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.16.113.3 ( talk) 20:57, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
In the comment field I recently read about the circumstance that due to the fact that sources which are partially questioning the Indo-Iranian identification of Andronovo are not regarded reliable by some users at all. In regard to the above mentioned occasion, I quote some supplementary data from academic circles.
- More on Archaeology and Language: Mario Alinei, Richard N. Frye: Current Anthropology, Vol. 44, No. 1 (February 2003), pp. 109-110. Published by: The University of Chicago Press on behalf of Wenner-Gren Foundation for Anthropological Research. DOI: 10.1086/345686:
- Archaeology and Language: The Indo-Iranians, by C.C. Lamberg-Karlovsky, Harvard University, Current Anthropology Volume 43, Number 1, February 2002, © by The Wenner-Gren Foundation for Anthropological Research, pp.63-84:
- C.C. Lamberg-Karlovsky, In: The Indo-Aryan Controversy: Evidence and Inference in Indian History. Edwin Bryant, Associate Professor of Early Indian Religions and Laurie Patton, Laurie Patton, Routledge 2013, pp.142-172:
That's all for the beginning, I hope that these implementations were helpful. -- Radosfrester talk to me 17:30, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
"Archaeological investigations likewise suggest that in the steppe region of Central Asia and the Altai Mountains, the first food production began towards the end of the third millennium BC and that the peoples who first entered this region were Caucasoid of the Afanasevo culture who came from the Aral Sea area (Kelteminar culture)."
I don't see anything in the sole citation
[1] given for this that supports these statements. Where does it say "Caucasoid", or that Afanasevo was the first culture to enter the Altai, or anything about Kelteminar?
Another thing worth mentioning is that the Ismagulov link looks like a self published source.
This section emphasizes the 'Caucasoidness' of of Andronovo, but some authors note "Mongoloid" features in some skulls. [2]. However this is not to say that I am suggesting this citation should be added, because I'm sure this section will come under futher scrutiny soon. There has been increased discussion about the validity of relying on racial-taxonomical concepts in the appearance/anthropology sections of these types of articles, i.e. at Talk:Scythians. - Hunan201p ( talk) 22:19, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
The sources cited are fine; however, it is not such simple to draw an exact start and end, depending on at least the still actual radiocarbon curves in [1] Further, it MUST be made clear wether the sources include, e.g. at the beginning of Andronovo, the Sintashta, Petrovka, Fjoderovo, Krotovo, or Karagash II complexes. HJJHolm ( talk) 05:46, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
HJJHolm ( talk) 05:46, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
"Keyser et al. (2009) published a study of the ancient Siberian cultures, the Andronovo culture, the Karasuk culture, the Tagar culture and the Tashtyk culture. Ten individuals of the Andronovo horizon in southern Siberia from 1400 BC to 1000 BC were surveyed." See the chronological difference? - I looked it up, and beware, ALL miscitations! K (Table 1) gives all Andronovo results correctly by "1800-1400 BC" which I now corrected here in the article. HJJHolm ( talk) 05:50, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
I added the significance of the abundant R-Z93 SNPs based upon counting in Quiles "all-ancient-dna--207-73; cf. also SNP'-tracker R-Z93.
A request to the other editors: 1. Please start the sub-paragraphs with Author and year, the journal belongs into the references. 2. Please note the SNP as in may example, because the DNA nomenclature changes too often. Thank You. HJJHolm ( talk) 06:25, 29 July 2023 (UTC)