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This last paragraph: "Indeed the series did become increasingly Hunt-centric after Wolfe's departure. By Season 4 episodes consisted of an almost deified Hunt saving the day with little help from anyone apart from Trance, who looks at him with increasingly doting eyes. Rommie, the avatar, has her personality reduced by all her interactions with 'organics' rather than, as common sense would have it, increased; she becomes, essentially, a Deus ex Machina android shield for getting round badly thought out action scenes, she also is a main lead for the pseudo-scientific exposition common to the genre. Harper, the engineering genius, has his role limited to a goofy geek with no sex appeal who constantly fails socially and becomes a one dimensional comic relief, all despite the fact that the character has been a major factor in the forming of the commonwealth, and saved millions of peoples lives. On this last part none of the crew, except Hunt, gets any benefit by being part of the commonwealth revival movement and seem to be almost anonymous to the outside world, except to the occasional Neitschien. Tyr was eventually reduced to a two dimensional caricature of his original self instead of the multi-dimensional enigma which added to the depth of the plot lines. The departure of Tyr, whose looks counterbalanced Hunts, made the series appear to be nothing more than an ego trip for executive producer and lead actor Sorbo and it became clear that, although a good producer, Sorbo only had the talent to play 1 part, that of Demi-god Hercules surrounded by beautiful hand maidens. Once again a good writer who was trying to put depth into his characters and a third dimension to the story lines was ousted by cardboard cut outs intent on, erroneously, portraying the so called alpha male as tall strong and USMC like. The worlds richest and most powerful men are almost all plain looking geeks! However the action scenes are plentiful and visually the SFX and CGI work very well. The make-up and wardrobe are excellent."
This is all pretty much conjecture and opinion, and it doesn't seem to fit very well with the format of an encyclopedia article. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.36.234 ( talk) 00:22, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, why wasn't this removed already? Even if you agree on said words (and I actually do) there is still absolutely NO reason to slip personal bull into a supposedly informative article. Had the person in question sead something along those lines, please quote and link sead quote - don't paraphrase something taken completely out of contex and then spined with your biased opinion. (whit which I actually agree for a degree, still take it to a fan forum) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.105.31.197 ( talk) 18:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the bit about it being "directed by David Winning". That info was inserted by an anonymous editor on 4 Mar 2003 -- my DVD copies show the first episode was directed by Allan Kroeker, and other episodes are directed by other people. Just goes to show that misinformation can lie about on Wikipedia for more than a year! Arwel 14:56, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
User:Kian : IMDB says David Winning directed quite a few episodes : Episodes 8, 11, 16 from season 1, episodes 3 and 5 from season 2, episodes 10 of season 4 and episode 6 of season 5.
All the dates on the show are in CY (Commonwealth Year) what is the date in C.E. (Common Era) or A.D. -- Brown Shoes22 16:33, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
This article contained very little useful content and was badly formatted. I took the liberty of rewriting most of the article, but I'm not a native English speaker. Could someone check my edits for spelling mistakes?
Other Andromeda-related pages are even worse, I'll probably get to them later. Skroderider 20:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
sadly this article is still of such poor quality who ever wrote this had pathetic three year level you'd be better off just deleting it's so god damn pathetic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.100.160 ( talk) 18:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Does Andromeda the AI needs a separate mention (and article) from Rommie? I'm not quite certain on this issue. IMHO Andromeda is a completely separate personality and deserves its own article, but OTOH even the show credits make no such distinction. Skroderider 13:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
At the very least the list of characters should say Andromeda/Rommie and not Andromeda Ascendant (Rommie), as the latter implies Rommie to be a nickname for the ship itself. There are three distinct projections of the core AI. As noted, the on-screen command and control Andromeda, the holographic projection Andromeda, and the android avatar Rommie. The first two are the initial division in personality: the C&C Andromeda being strictly business, and the holographic ship/human interface having some human like reactions (crossing arms and rolling eyes, etc.). Only when the AI is interacting with outside contacts does it refer to itself as Andromeda Ascendant, meaning the ship itself. The crew invariably refers to it/them as Andromeda. The android avatar Rommie (built by Harper, if I'm not mistaken) was, as stated, originally a copy of the AI, specifically the more human seeming holographic version. Rommie developed more human like aspects, including emotional reactions, gradually differentiating from the holographic Andromeda more and more, up to and including her demise at the end of season 4. It should also be noted that Doyle contains a copy of Rommie with a unique personality laid over the original in order to control problematic aspects of the "destroyed" Rommie. This does pose a problem as far as bullet-point one liners, as the different manifestations are different projections of the core AI which have evolved differently. Not the usual kind of character descriptions certainly. It should require an entire section to describe this. I feel this is warranted as this is an understated but crucial part of the plot and a unique situation of character development posed to the writers. Drmcclainphd ( talk) 14:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
So, here is the list of Andromeda characters which IMHO deserve a mention in Wikipedia (characters which deserve a whole article are in bold):
Any comments? Skroderider 14:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
MatthewFenton removed the link to the AndroWiki. I don't know exactly why he thinks it was spam. So i want to write a small statement. We are partly going to translate the german AndroWiki to english. There are not very much arctiles at the moment, because the translating hasn't started yet. And we could need every help we get. -- EoD 18:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Credits of the show state "This show is protected under laws of Canada, the United States, and other countries". Credits also state "With the particiaption of The Government of Canada," and "Fireworks, a CanWest Company." IMDB says "Country: Canada / USA ". Even the theme song is Canadian. Can we stop removing this fact? Avt tor 09:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
As a Canadian, I'm prepared to give credit for anything after season two to any country that wants it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.2.203 ( talk) 23:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
New paragraph in this section indicates continuity errors without citing episode names. My recollection of the show is that the changes were justified in the script/dialog, so the comments seem to be POV. If another editor can cite episode titles, I can check the facts. If we can't confirm details, I may remove subjective/unsourced comments here. Avt tor 21:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't have any links handy, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that Roddenberry had intended for Andromeda to be set in the Star Trek universe, but the producers of the show decided to break the connection so that the "Federation" became the "Commonwealth", new alien races replaced the familiar Vulcans/Romulans/Klingons/Cardassians/Ferengi, etc.
Actually, I can't seem to find any links at all supporting this, so I'm beginning to wonder if I'm going insane. I very clearly remember reading it and thinking to myself "Holy crap, that would have been AWESOME! Why did they change it?!"
Is it true? Is it a myth? Is it a product of my deranged imagination? -- Lode Runner
I think this article is fairly good now; however, the section summarizing the plot of each series is too long within the article. IMO, most of this should be put into a separate article to be linked from here. (I will wait a week for comments before taking any action on this.) Avt tor 17:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed his list of systems, and have moved it to User:Mattbuck/Andromeda to be worked on. I'll probably add it to the list of Andromeda systems. mattbuck 08:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't this series bear a resemblance to the TV series Firefly? Just thinking. . . RSido 00:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I removed the following text from the section Slipstream:
Comments:
I would encourage fans to explore possible sources but I suggest the question isn't ready for WP. Zaslav ( talk) 06:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
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The show occasionally included plots revolving around the Restorians. Is this little piece going to be included in the article? Just asking. Thanks in advance. Don't quite know how Wiki Discussion works, as far as comporting oneself goes...:D
This is a huge spoiler in character table, not good. Should make a "spoiler awarning" or change text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.178.90.211 ( talk) 18:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
There are several scenes which parody and pay hommage to other SF films/series:
Perhaps there were more which I didn't notice. Could this be worth mentioning in the article? Arny ( talk) 08:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
We need that. __ meco ( talk) 10:08, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
The last paragraph of the "Recurring and notable guest characters" section seems out of place.
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This last paragraph: "Indeed the series did become increasingly Hunt-centric after Wolfe's departure. By Season 4 episodes consisted of an almost deified Hunt saving the day with little help from anyone apart from Trance, who looks at him with increasingly doting eyes. Rommie, the avatar, has her personality reduced by all her interactions with 'organics' rather than, as common sense would have it, increased; she becomes, essentially, a Deus ex Machina android shield for getting round badly thought out action scenes, she also is a main lead for the pseudo-scientific exposition common to the genre. Harper, the engineering genius, has his role limited to a goofy geek with no sex appeal who constantly fails socially and becomes a one dimensional comic relief, all despite the fact that the character has been a major factor in the forming of the commonwealth, and saved millions of peoples lives. On this last part none of the crew, except Hunt, gets any benefit by being part of the commonwealth revival movement and seem to be almost anonymous to the outside world, except to the occasional Neitschien. Tyr was eventually reduced to a two dimensional caricature of his original self instead of the multi-dimensional enigma which added to the depth of the plot lines. The departure of Tyr, whose looks counterbalanced Hunts, made the series appear to be nothing more than an ego trip for executive producer and lead actor Sorbo and it became clear that, although a good producer, Sorbo only had the talent to play 1 part, that of Demi-god Hercules surrounded by beautiful hand maidens. Once again a good writer who was trying to put depth into his characters and a third dimension to the story lines was ousted by cardboard cut outs intent on, erroneously, portraying the so called alpha male as tall strong and USMC like. The worlds richest and most powerful men are almost all plain looking geeks! However the action scenes are plentiful and visually the SFX and CGI work very well. The make-up and wardrobe are excellent."
This is all pretty much conjecture and opinion, and it doesn't seem to fit very well with the format of an encyclopedia article. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.36.234 ( talk) 00:22, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, why wasn't this removed already? Even if you agree on said words (and I actually do) there is still absolutely NO reason to slip personal bull into a supposedly informative article. Had the person in question sead something along those lines, please quote and link sead quote - don't paraphrase something taken completely out of contex and then spined with your biased opinion. (whit which I actually agree for a degree, still take it to a fan forum) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.105.31.197 ( talk) 18:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the bit about it being "directed by David Winning". That info was inserted by an anonymous editor on 4 Mar 2003 -- my DVD copies show the first episode was directed by Allan Kroeker, and other episodes are directed by other people. Just goes to show that misinformation can lie about on Wikipedia for more than a year! Arwel 14:56, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
User:Kian : IMDB says David Winning directed quite a few episodes : Episodes 8, 11, 16 from season 1, episodes 3 and 5 from season 2, episodes 10 of season 4 and episode 6 of season 5.
All the dates on the show are in CY (Commonwealth Year) what is the date in C.E. (Common Era) or A.D. -- Brown Shoes22 16:33, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
This article contained very little useful content and was badly formatted. I took the liberty of rewriting most of the article, but I'm not a native English speaker. Could someone check my edits for spelling mistakes?
Other Andromeda-related pages are even worse, I'll probably get to them later. Skroderider 20:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
sadly this article is still of such poor quality who ever wrote this had pathetic three year level you'd be better off just deleting it's so god damn pathetic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.100.160 ( talk) 18:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Does Andromeda the AI needs a separate mention (and article) from Rommie? I'm not quite certain on this issue. IMHO Andromeda is a completely separate personality and deserves its own article, but OTOH even the show credits make no such distinction. Skroderider 13:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
At the very least the list of characters should say Andromeda/Rommie and not Andromeda Ascendant (Rommie), as the latter implies Rommie to be a nickname for the ship itself. There are three distinct projections of the core AI. As noted, the on-screen command and control Andromeda, the holographic projection Andromeda, and the android avatar Rommie. The first two are the initial division in personality: the C&C Andromeda being strictly business, and the holographic ship/human interface having some human like reactions (crossing arms and rolling eyes, etc.). Only when the AI is interacting with outside contacts does it refer to itself as Andromeda Ascendant, meaning the ship itself. The crew invariably refers to it/them as Andromeda. The android avatar Rommie (built by Harper, if I'm not mistaken) was, as stated, originally a copy of the AI, specifically the more human seeming holographic version. Rommie developed more human like aspects, including emotional reactions, gradually differentiating from the holographic Andromeda more and more, up to and including her demise at the end of season 4. It should also be noted that Doyle contains a copy of Rommie with a unique personality laid over the original in order to control problematic aspects of the "destroyed" Rommie. This does pose a problem as far as bullet-point one liners, as the different manifestations are different projections of the core AI which have evolved differently. Not the usual kind of character descriptions certainly. It should require an entire section to describe this. I feel this is warranted as this is an understated but crucial part of the plot and a unique situation of character development posed to the writers. Drmcclainphd ( talk) 14:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
So, here is the list of Andromeda characters which IMHO deserve a mention in Wikipedia (characters which deserve a whole article are in bold):
Any comments? Skroderider 14:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
MatthewFenton removed the link to the AndroWiki. I don't know exactly why he thinks it was spam. So i want to write a small statement. We are partly going to translate the german AndroWiki to english. There are not very much arctiles at the moment, because the translating hasn't started yet. And we could need every help we get. -- EoD 18:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Credits of the show state "This show is protected under laws of Canada, the United States, and other countries". Credits also state "With the particiaption of The Government of Canada," and "Fireworks, a CanWest Company." IMDB says "Country: Canada / USA ". Even the theme song is Canadian. Can we stop removing this fact? Avt tor 09:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
As a Canadian, I'm prepared to give credit for anything after season two to any country that wants it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.2.203 ( talk) 23:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
New paragraph in this section indicates continuity errors without citing episode names. My recollection of the show is that the changes were justified in the script/dialog, so the comments seem to be POV. If another editor can cite episode titles, I can check the facts. If we can't confirm details, I may remove subjective/unsourced comments here. Avt tor 21:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't have any links handy, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that Roddenberry had intended for Andromeda to be set in the Star Trek universe, but the producers of the show decided to break the connection so that the "Federation" became the "Commonwealth", new alien races replaced the familiar Vulcans/Romulans/Klingons/Cardassians/Ferengi, etc.
Actually, I can't seem to find any links at all supporting this, so I'm beginning to wonder if I'm going insane. I very clearly remember reading it and thinking to myself "Holy crap, that would have been AWESOME! Why did they change it?!"
Is it true? Is it a myth? Is it a product of my deranged imagination? -- Lode Runner
I think this article is fairly good now; however, the section summarizing the plot of each series is too long within the article. IMO, most of this should be put into a separate article to be linked from here. (I will wait a week for comments before taking any action on this.) Avt tor 17:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed his list of systems, and have moved it to User:Mattbuck/Andromeda to be worked on. I'll probably add it to the list of Andromeda systems. mattbuck 08:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't this series bear a resemblance to the TV series Firefly? Just thinking. . . RSido 00:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I removed the following text from the section Slipstream:
Comments:
I would encourage fans to explore possible sources but I suggest the question isn't ready for WP. Zaslav ( talk) 06:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Several of the External links on this page, including the official Andromeda website, are now dead. Please check them and remove the dead ones.
{{ FreeContentMeta}}, which is used in the {{ NewSystemsCommonwealth}} template, is under discussion. Please see template talk:FreeContentMeta#Inline or floating to participate in this discussion. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
The show occasionally included plots revolving around the Restorians. Is this little piece going to be included in the article? Just asking. Thanks in advance. Don't quite know how Wiki Discussion works, as far as comporting oneself goes...:D
This is a huge spoiler in character table, not good. Should make a "spoiler awarning" or change text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.178.90.211 ( talk) 18:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
There are several scenes which parody and pay hommage to other SF films/series:
Perhaps there were more which I didn't notice. Could this be worth mentioning in the article? Arny ( talk) 08:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
We need that. __ meco ( talk) 10:08, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
The last paragraph of the "Recurring and notable guest characters" section seems out of place.
Weasel words, personal opinion, speculation. - 71.166.104.2 ( talk) 07:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
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