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People have defaced this article time and time again and I'm sick of it
Let's have it... because the image-free version is certainly not as useful nor informative, from an encyclopedia standpoint... Jenolen speak it! 21:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
"it's obvious you have no idea what a discography is" - by our own definition, a discography is the "listing of sound recordings". "I don't want to hear any more about how text is "better" than images when it comes to describing album covers" - I have never said that. I have however said that text adequately identifies an album. Sure you need an album cover to show what the cover looks like - but there is no critical commentary in the article that warrants a description of the cover. That there is a consensus amongst some users to use Fair Use whenever they think it is quite helpful and pretty is not going to stop me from continuing to enforce our policy, the justifications for which have been explained to you numerous times before. Fair Use is allowed as a last resort for academic discussion - it was never intended for decorating lists - and recent discussion by the Foundation has made this more than clear. ed g2s • talk 23:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
See, now that wasn't so hard, was it?
FUC#10 - No rationale provided. It seems to me really picky; I mean, do you really need a rationale in a case like this? Since this page clearly meets the legal standards for fair use (remember, even Jimbo himself has said he's never seen a case of non-legal fair use on Wikipedia), it's easy for me to see why so many editors would think it would also be within Wikipedia's policy. But since one of the unintended consequences of Wikipedia's committment to free content is a complete abrogation of rights to fairly use copyrighted content, we'll just have to agree to disagree. It's shameful to me that the Wikiminds behind this ridiculous anti-fair use crusade can't understand that in their haste to exalt the free (a utopia to which we are most certainly not headed), they're also hastening the erosion of fundamental rights to excerpt and use -- for critical commentary, among other things -- copyrwrited material. Simply put - it's not a legal problem to illustrate a list like this with album covers, and it shouldn't be a policy problem, either. The images clearly provide an identifying function, and without identification, there can be no critical commentary.
As for FUC#8 - They neither illustrate the subject of the article (they, in fact, do; the subject of the article is not "a list," as you state, but, instead, the collected works of a musical artist) nor a specific point being made? I strongly disagree. Wikipedia should not be afraid to illustrate articles about copyrighted material with fairly used copyrighted material. And while I have very minor disagreements with our fair use policy, I have a much greater disagreement with how it has been implemented and tweaked, gamed so as to make the LEGAL fair useage of copyrighted material a POLICY violation -- a policy, it should be noted, that has suffered from ever-shifting standards, outright changes, and more than a few alternate interpretations over the past two years.
The pendulum is swinging "German," though -- I have no doubt fair use will be banned, shortly, as it is on our sister project. But for now -- it's not. And your "it should be used only as a dreaded and horrible last resort" interpretation of fair use is counterproductive, counter-enclopediative, and, as I tried to point out above, in many ways quite contrary to the consensus that is ostensibly valued around here. That, too, much like the policy which clearly and unambiguously states "Wikipedia allows fair use", seems to be only lip service... Jenolen speak it! 12:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
the videos are 25 not 20, count them.... weren't counted the last singlesl, burning star, safety and stalemate, they must add on the summary table, *also if it were not pubblicated all over the world sorry if are a mistakss i'm not english-- AccendiLaLuce ( talk) 20:40, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
we dont need the us section on the albums and singels charts, they havent charted little in the us and switzerland certification shoulb be includes as in albums and singles!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathiassandell ( talk • contribs) 17:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
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Stalemate, Safety, and Ti Amo are missing on the videography table. The second and the third music videos are uploaded on the official YouTube channels of Dima Bilan and Umberto Tozzi, whereas the first one is not on any official YouTube channel. Still, I think they should be included for a more comprehensive list of Anastacia's work. Thanks to anyone who takes this into consideration because it's my first time starting a topic on Wikipedia and I don't really know how to edit. Cheers! FreakOfNature9 ( talk) 10:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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People have defaced this article time and time again and I'm sick of it
Let's have it... because the image-free version is certainly not as useful nor informative, from an encyclopedia standpoint... Jenolen speak it! 21:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
"it's obvious you have no idea what a discography is" - by our own definition, a discography is the "listing of sound recordings". "I don't want to hear any more about how text is "better" than images when it comes to describing album covers" - I have never said that. I have however said that text adequately identifies an album. Sure you need an album cover to show what the cover looks like - but there is no critical commentary in the article that warrants a description of the cover. That there is a consensus amongst some users to use Fair Use whenever they think it is quite helpful and pretty is not going to stop me from continuing to enforce our policy, the justifications for which have been explained to you numerous times before. Fair Use is allowed as a last resort for academic discussion - it was never intended for decorating lists - and recent discussion by the Foundation has made this more than clear. ed g2s • talk 23:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
See, now that wasn't so hard, was it?
FUC#10 - No rationale provided. It seems to me really picky; I mean, do you really need a rationale in a case like this? Since this page clearly meets the legal standards for fair use (remember, even Jimbo himself has said he's never seen a case of non-legal fair use on Wikipedia), it's easy for me to see why so many editors would think it would also be within Wikipedia's policy. But since one of the unintended consequences of Wikipedia's committment to free content is a complete abrogation of rights to fairly use copyrighted content, we'll just have to agree to disagree. It's shameful to me that the Wikiminds behind this ridiculous anti-fair use crusade can't understand that in their haste to exalt the free (a utopia to which we are most certainly not headed), they're also hastening the erosion of fundamental rights to excerpt and use -- for critical commentary, among other things -- copyrwrited material. Simply put - it's not a legal problem to illustrate a list like this with album covers, and it shouldn't be a policy problem, either. The images clearly provide an identifying function, and without identification, there can be no critical commentary.
As for FUC#8 - They neither illustrate the subject of the article (they, in fact, do; the subject of the article is not "a list," as you state, but, instead, the collected works of a musical artist) nor a specific point being made? I strongly disagree. Wikipedia should not be afraid to illustrate articles about copyrighted material with fairly used copyrighted material. And while I have very minor disagreements with our fair use policy, I have a much greater disagreement with how it has been implemented and tweaked, gamed so as to make the LEGAL fair useage of copyrighted material a POLICY violation -- a policy, it should be noted, that has suffered from ever-shifting standards, outright changes, and more than a few alternate interpretations over the past two years.
The pendulum is swinging "German," though -- I have no doubt fair use will be banned, shortly, as it is on our sister project. But for now -- it's not. And your "it should be used only as a dreaded and horrible last resort" interpretation of fair use is counterproductive, counter-enclopediative, and, as I tried to point out above, in many ways quite contrary to the consensus that is ostensibly valued around here. That, too, much like the policy which clearly and unambiguously states "Wikipedia allows fair use", seems to be only lip service... Jenolen speak it! 12:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
the videos are 25 not 20, count them.... weren't counted the last singlesl, burning star, safety and stalemate, they must add on the summary table, *also if it were not pubblicated all over the world sorry if are a mistakss i'm not english-- AccendiLaLuce ( talk) 20:40, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
we dont need the us section on the albums and singels charts, they havent charted little in the us and switzerland certification shoulb be includes as in albums and singles!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathiassandell ( talk • contribs) 17:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
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Stalemate, Safety, and Ti Amo are missing on the videography table. The second and the third music videos are uploaded on the official YouTube channels of Dima Bilan and Umberto Tozzi, whereas the first one is not on any official YouTube channel. Still, I think they should be included for a more comprehensive list of Anastacia's work. Thanks to anyone who takes this into consideration because it's my first time starting a topic on Wikipedia and I don't really know how to edit. Cheers! FreakOfNature9 ( talk) 10:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)