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Sources like Green Is the New Red, Left Bank Books, spunk.org, and cia.media.pl are all self-published, and should be replaced with better sources or removed. — Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 02:32, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
The nature of anarchist ideology means almost all material on it is self-published. It is very difficult to cite a source on the topic while following this fairly arbitrary rule (in this case). I suggest this is an incidence where WP:IAR would be useful, as the sources cited have no reason to be false and are are written by anarchists about their own symbols. Gexuma ( talk) 09:54, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
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The removal of the Unicode of the circle (A) means that people previewing the page will not see what the circle A represents. Not only that but it needs to be a visualization directly in the text. This gives a more in-dpeth explanation to anarchist symbolism:
From: Anarchists have employed certain symbols for their cause, including most prominently the circle-A and the black flag.
To: Anarchists have employed certain symbols for their cause, including most prominently the circle-A (Ⓐ) and the black flag (⚑/🏴). Black is most commonly associated with anarchism, and black is numerous anarchist organizations names, such as the anarchist black cross, black international, and anarchist tactics such as the black bloc. [1] The punk movement has had a large effect onto the symbolism of contemporary anarchism. [2] Vallee01 ( talk) 14:38, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't see a reason for excluding Rothbard's book as a source. His description of anarcho-capitalists using the black and gold flag is all that is relevant. Whether or not Rothhbard advocates a particular position is not relevant because the reference is not being used to support or oppose any particular position he might have. The reference is for the narrow context of anarcho-capitalists using the black and gold flag. As such, in this narrow context, the source seems fine to me. AJPEG ( talk) 12:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
been shown to not be reputable, it's only because other academics ignored him like any other fringe theorist. — Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 14:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
I went down a bit of a rabbit hole trying to track down the source(s) of the saying. I was not able to verify the assertions made by Guérin, but during my search I stumbled upon a 2022 french article on the origin of the phrase that calls into question both the link between the supposed German proverb and Dom Juan, and the link between Dom Juan and Blanqui's newspaper. Maybe it would be worth revising the section with information from the article, since the 2022 article looks more thoroughly researched than Guérin's foreword. Here's a link. Note that the DOI given on the page is unregistered and does not point to the page.
[1] https://journals.openedition.org/histoirepolitique/2452?lang=en Safar98 ( talk) 10:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
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Sources like Green Is the New Red, Left Bank Books, spunk.org, and cia.media.pl are all self-published, and should be replaced with better sources or removed. — Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 02:32, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
The nature of anarchist ideology means almost all material on it is self-published. It is very difficult to cite a source on the topic while following this fairly arbitrary rule (in this case). I suggest this is an incidence where WP:IAR would be useful, as the sources cited have no reason to be false and are are written by anarchists about their own symbols. Gexuma ( talk) 09:54, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
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The removal of the Unicode of the circle (A) means that people previewing the page will not see what the circle A represents. Not only that but it needs to be a visualization directly in the text. This gives a more in-dpeth explanation to anarchist symbolism:
From: Anarchists have employed certain symbols for their cause, including most prominently the circle-A and the black flag.
To: Anarchists have employed certain symbols for their cause, including most prominently the circle-A (Ⓐ) and the black flag (⚑/🏴). Black is most commonly associated with anarchism, and black is numerous anarchist organizations names, such as the anarchist black cross, black international, and anarchist tactics such as the black bloc. [1] The punk movement has had a large effect onto the symbolism of contemporary anarchism. [2] Vallee01 ( talk) 14:38, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't see a reason for excluding Rothbard's book as a source. His description of anarcho-capitalists using the black and gold flag is all that is relevant. Whether or not Rothhbard advocates a particular position is not relevant because the reference is not being used to support or oppose any particular position he might have. The reference is for the narrow context of anarcho-capitalists using the black and gold flag. As such, in this narrow context, the source seems fine to me. AJPEG ( talk) 12:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
been shown to not be reputable, it's only because other academics ignored him like any other fringe theorist. — Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 14:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
I went down a bit of a rabbit hole trying to track down the source(s) of the saying. I was not able to verify the assertions made by Guérin, but during my search I stumbled upon a 2022 french article on the origin of the phrase that calls into question both the link between the supposed German proverb and Dom Juan, and the link between Dom Juan and Blanqui's newspaper. Maybe it would be worth revising the section with information from the article, since the 2022 article looks more thoroughly researched than Guérin's foreword. Here's a link. Note that the DOI given on the page is unregistered and does not point to the page.
[1] https://journals.openedition.org/histoirepolitique/2452?lang=en Safar98 ( talk) 10:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)