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I removed the reference, "She has a moroccan passport and she is visiting the world with her moroccan passport". What Wikipedia wants for references is an external source - newspaper article, book, etc. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. Even though there was no external source, i did not remove the fact that Ms. Haidar is a Moroccan citizen, as it seems pretty uncontroversial. (I did move it to the second paragraph.) -- John_Abbe ( talk) 21:23, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
According to this, Ms. Haidar was born in El Aaiun in 1967. I've searched "Centre Akk-Mar" (as in the Police Report), but it doesn't seem to exist. There's an Akka in Morocco, but it seems too long a shot from "Centre Akk-Mar" to "Akka". Unless somebody disagrees, I'll change both the place and the data of birth. Jmgonzalez ( talk) 00:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
This page is dealing with a lot of vandalism. - Kylelovesyou ( talk) 02:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Aminetu_Haidar: 26 sources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aminatou_Haidar: 0 sources. Information in both articles differs a lot. Nothing else should be said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.218.157.91 ( talk) 14:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
"even if she has benefit from her original country Morocco, thus she is currently stateless due to Morocco's denial of Sahrawi nationality" - I deleted the first phrase because it doesn't make sense / unsure what the original writer was trying to say and the second phrase because it would appear factually incorrect. She has a passport issued by Morocco; notwithstanding the question over the occupation, stateless means without nationality or citizenship, which would not be an accurate description here. 86.42.99.62 ( talk) 06:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey!
Where is the evidence, that Aminatou would have thrown her passport away? Nowhere, because it's not true. Why would she have done something like that, shooting her own ankle? That way she couldn't be able to travel anywhere. So, I would appreciate, if the clear lies were deleted from the text - and replaced by the fact, that Moroccan authorities confiscated her passport and identity card. That's something that Moroccan government have already admitted in public.
BR, Maiju —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.166.11.2 ( talk) 08:05, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
I am sorry to find out that this article is filled with propaganda and non-sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihmisoikeudet ( talk • contribs) 08:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Any association that received the Nobel Prize in the world can Propose [1] Anyone to be nominated by The Nobel Committee. The American Friends Service Committee (Peace Nobel Prize award in 1947) [2]can not Nominate someone to the Nobel Prize, it has only the right to propose/submit it. [3] [4]
After the Nobel Prize Advisors (and not the commitee) review, they choose who should be nominated : the nominations information are kept secret for 50 years [5].
There is no officiel document from the nobel Prize with Aminatu's nomination. -- Energumene ( talk) 11:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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Currently one incident overwhelms this entire article, so I would like to propose to split Aminatou Haidar incident into the separate article the way it is done in the Spanish Wiki. M0RD00R ( talk) 08:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't agree with your modifications about personality support. I think that it's good to have their declarations. I think that it's relevant. So I will add them using a neutral formulation. I prefer in general not to delete modifications whish were added by others untill I prove that they are mistaken... -- Freeinternetwriter ( talk) 13:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Article relies heavily biased sources that support or are affiliated with the subject (a lot of blogs and self published websites) plus the usual opinions of some bigoted, neocolonialist far-right Spanish tabloids. Where is the other side of the story?
Furthermore, a lot of puffery (e.g. called the "Sahrawi Gandhi") that needs fixing. -- Tachfin ( talk) 14:40, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Again you're not addressing the points, an article should represent all significant view points (In this case both sides of the story should be properly represented) please read WP:NPOV, as stated above there is also some WP:SYNTH, i.e. when some sources are misquoted to further a certain POV. Weasel words like "Sahrawi Ghandi" should be referenced to hardcore WP:RS that aren't affiliated with the subject in order to be used. Failing that they should be deleted and generally the article should be written in a neutral tone (which isn't the case). Birth place, as I stated below, is referenced to three hardcore reliable sources: 1) Her passport 2) The Spanish police 3) herself, by signing and approving what's written in her complaint to the Spanish police, she basically testifies (In the most official manner possible) that she was Born in Akka. Some online website would not overrule this per WP:UNDUE which you should read since it's not about NPOV, Wikipedia simply does not include whatever information that has been published somewhere. -- Tachfin ( talk) 03:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Her passport has it as Akka [16]. Official Spanish police document has as Akka [17]. There is nothing more reliable then that when it comes to birth place, why should we go with the nonsense of a self-published amateur website called arso.org? -- Tachfin ( talk) 21:47, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
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I removed the reference, "She has a moroccan passport and she is visiting the world with her moroccan passport". What Wikipedia wants for references is an external source - newspaper article, book, etc. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. Even though there was no external source, i did not remove the fact that Ms. Haidar is a Moroccan citizen, as it seems pretty uncontroversial. (I did move it to the second paragraph.) -- John_Abbe ( talk) 21:23, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
According to this, Ms. Haidar was born in El Aaiun in 1967. I've searched "Centre Akk-Mar" (as in the Police Report), but it doesn't seem to exist. There's an Akka in Morocco, but it seems too long a shot from "Centre Akk-Mar" to "Akka". Unless somebody disagrees, I'll change both the place and the data of birth. Jmgonzalez ( talk) 00:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
This page is dealing with a lot of vandalism. - Kylelovesyou ( talk) 02:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Aminetu_Haidar: 26 sources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aminatou_Haidar: 0 sources. Information in both articles differs a lot. Nothing else should be said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.218.157.91 ( talk) 14:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
"even if she has benefit from her original country Morocco, thus she is currently stateless due to Morocco's denial of Sahrawi nationality" - I deleted the first phrase because it doesn't make sense / unsure what the original writer was trying to say and the second phrase because it would appear factually incorrect. She has a passport issued by Morocco; notwithstanding the question over the occupation, stateless means without nationality or citizenship, which would not be an accurate description here. 86.42.99.62 ( talk) 06:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey!
Where is the evidence, that Aminatou would have thrown her passport away? Nowhere, because it's not true. Why would she have done something like that, shooting her own ankle? That way she couldn't be able to travel anywhere. So, I would appreciate, if the clear lies were deleted from the text - and replaced by the fact, that Moroccan authorities confiscated her passport and identity card. That's something that Moroccan government have already admitted in public.
BR, Maiju —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.166.11.2 ( talk) 08:05, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
I am sorry to find out that this article is filled with propaganda and non-sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihmisoikeudet ( talk • contribs) 08:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Any association that received the Nobel Prize in the world can Propose [1] Anyone to be nominated by The Nobel Committee. The American Friends Service Committee (Peace Nobel Prize award in 1947) [2]can not Nominate someone to the Nobel Prize, it has only the right to propose/submit it. [3] [4]
After the Nobel Prize Advisors (and not the commitee) review, they choose who should be nominated : the nominations information are kept secret for 50 years [5].
There is no officiel document from the nobel Prize with Aminatu's nomination. -- Energumene ( talk) 11:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
References
Currently one incident overwhelms this entire article, so I would like to propose to split Aminatou Haidar incident into the separate article the way it is done in the Spanish Wiki. M0RD00R ( talk) 08:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't agree with your modifications about personality support. I think that it's good to have their declarations. I think that it's relevant. So I will add them using a neutral formulation. I prefer in general not to delete modifications whish were added by others untill I prove that they are mistaken... -- Freeinternetwriter ( talk) 13:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Article relies heavily biased sources that support or are affiliated with the subject (a lot of blogs and self published websites) plus the usual opinions of some bigoted, neocolonialist far-right Spanish tabloids. Where is the other side of the story?
Furthermore, a lot of puffery (e.g. called the "Sahrawi Gandhi") that needs fixing. -- Tachfin ( talk) 14:40, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Again you're not addressing the points, an article should represent all significant view points (In this case both sides of the story should be properly represented) please read WP:NPOV, as stated above there is also some WP:SYNTH, i.e. when some sources are misquoted to further a certain POV. Weasel words like "Sahrawi Ghandi" should be referenced to hardcore WP:RS that aren't affiliated with the subject in order to be used. Failing that they should be deleted and generally the article should be written in a neutral tone (which isn't the case). Birth place, as I stated below, is referenced to three hardcore reliable sources: 1) Her passport 2) The Spanish police 3) herself, by signing and approving what's written in her complaint to the Spanish police, she basically testifies (In the most official manner possible) that she was Born in Akka. Some online website would not overrule this per WP:UNDUE which you should read since it's not about NPOV, Wikipedia simply does not include whatever information that has been published somewhere. -- Tachfin ( talk) 03:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Her passport has it as Akka [16]. Official Spanish police document has as Akka [17]. There is nothing more reliable then that when it comes to birth place, why should we go with the nonsense of a self-published amateur website called arso.org? -- Tachfin ( talk) 21:47, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
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