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I disagree that the German Interwiki is incorrect. The articles do largely contain the same topic. The titles are different but this srticle isn't a description of glosses. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * ( talk) 00:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I would think that a "vocabulary"/glossary of comics should at least mention terms and concepts like "Silver Age", "Golden Age" and some of the genres (not least to note that "Superheroes" isn't it), but would someone like to suggest whether it would be appropriate to include a (very) brief "History of (Modern) Comics" (i.e. 1933, 1938-Superman; 1947-Romance; EC; 1954-Wertham&Code; 1961-Marvel; 1960s-Underground; 1970s-Direct market&Shops; 1980s-Maus/Watchmen/DKR; 1988&1992-Dark Horse&Image; 1990s-Bust) which could then interlink ages, genres and key people without detailing them in an encyclopedic fashion...? ntnon ( talk) 14:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I added some example illustration, one of which includes sound effects. There is no section for this. Perhaps an expert could add some information on this topic (BAM! BAM! SPANG! SPLAT! WANG! KAWUNNGG!) - Leonard G. ( talk) 19:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Motion comics should have a separate article. It is a new growing medium that is not properly covered in the two sentences included in this article.-- Marcus Brute ( talk) 00:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Courtesy of the once and future Comics Research Bibliography - http://www.rpi.edu/~bulloj/comxbib.html The special 3rd issue of IJOCA this year will be a bibliography - now perhaps including this selection.
Phegley, Kiel. 2009. Comic Book Resources (August 28): http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22724
by Dave Richards, Staff Writer Wed, August 19th, 2009 at 8:58AM (PDT) http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22595
Executive Editor Tom Brevoort gets us inside the next great phase in Marvel storytelling! Posted: 2009-08-19 Updated: 2009-08-19 17:38:24 http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9234.Marvel_Hotline~colon~_Brevoort_on_Spider-Woman
By Wolfen Moondaughter August 10, 2009 http://www.sequentialtart.com/article.php?id=1466
Neal Adams, Continuity Studios eye feature films By Borys Kit Aug 3, 2009, 11:00 PM ET http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3icaec2feffc977edc6bc9fc961255105d
By Vaneta Rogers posted: 23 July 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/070923-MotionComics.html
A new adaptation of a classic comic book sets a high standard for a relatively low-tech art form Kate Taylor Toronto Globe and Mail Monday, Jun. 08, 2009 04:17PM EDT http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/watchmen-animated-it-works/article1173722/
by Caleb Goellner, Guest Contributor Tue, May 26th, 2009 at 3:58PM PST http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21347
By Vaneta Rogers posted: 26 May 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/050926-TheQ-Tech.html
PRWeb Thu May 7, 3:01 am ET Award-winning filmmaker Matt Pizzolo compares and contrasts the newest animation formats based on an analysis of Warner Premiere's Watchmen motion comics and Halo-8's Godkiller illustrated film. Los Angeles, CA (PRWEB) May 7, 2009 -- Award-winning filmmaker Matt Pizzolo ("THREAT") has outlined the distinctions between two emerging animation formats, 'motion comics' and 'illustrated films,' in his Hollywood-2.0 blog ( http://www.hollywood-2point0.com).
By Vaneta Rogers posted: 09 April 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090409-e-reader-comics.html
By Steve Fritz posted: 17 March 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/tv/090317-animated-shorts.html
http://www.newsarama.com/common/media/video/player.php?aid=26244 Brian Michael Bendis talks Spider Woman motion comic and Dark Reign at NY Comic Con 2009.
By Laura Hudson -- Publishers Weekly, 2/9/2009 8:54:00 PM http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6636198.html?nid=2789
By Vaneta Rogers posted: 08 February 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020908-Spider-Woman-Bendis.html
http://www.newsarama.com/common/media/video/player.php?aid=25556 A behind the scenes documentary of Sparks, the first motion comic book for the iPhone and iPod Touch.
By John Siuntres posted: 28 January 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/010928-WB-Watchmen-Motion.html
by Emmett Furey, Staff Writer Fri, January 23rd, 2009 at 1:53PM PST http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19675
Prototype The Comics Are Feeling the Pain of Print By LESLIE BERLIN http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/business/media/28proto.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
Posted by Eric Franklin CNET's Crave December 9 2008 http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10119457-1.html
By John Siuntres posted: 04 December 2008 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/120804-Word-Balloon-Ross.html The acclaimed graphic album Batman: Black & White debuts Tuesday, December 8th as a Warner Premiere Motion Comics series.
By Andrew Wallenstein – Mon Nov 24, 2008 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081124/media_nm/us_media_premiere_2
Associated Press. 2008. Editor and Publisher Online (November 3): http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/departments/syndicates/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003886371
Set for digital-motion treatment from Warners, DC By Borys Kit Hollywood Reporter Oct 8, 2008 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i7e19cce243eb21aa51690a063cbe5edf
Jennifer M. Contino Comicon's The Pulse 09-10-2008 http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=007463
PW Comics Week August 26, 2008 By Laura Hudson -- Publishers Weekly, 8/25/2008 http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6590126.html?nid=2789
Although print comics are still thriving, Marvel and DC Comics are getting a head start on finding digital outlets for their properties by Chris Albrecht Business Week August 22 2008 http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2008/tc20080821_870628.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_technology
Publishers are taking a close look at a variety of models—from the Web and mobile phones to iTunes and the Sony Reader—for the digital delivery of comics. by Laura Hudson -- Publishers Weekly, 8/18/2008 http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6587963.html?nid=2789
By Matt Brady Newsarama 2008-08-11 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080811-SDCC08-Levitz.html
note this bit apropos of this week's news - " Well, it's a Warner Premiere business venture. When they wanted to do it, part of my role was traveling with Diane Nelson, who ruins that division to England and sit down with Dave Gibbons and show him the stuff and see if he was okay with it, and get his input on how we could make it better. Dave got very involved and took an active role in how we were developing the Watchmen Motion Comic."
Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2008 By GILBERT CRUZ http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1832062,00.html
Episodes of "Watchmen" and "Batman: Mad Love" Last update: 1:00 a.m. EDT July 18, 2008 http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/warner-premieres-motion-comics-launches/story.aspx?guid=%7BEAB68E13-FD5E-47E3-A816-CF56AAC2E700%7D&dist=hppr
Online Shorts Boost Batman By SARAH MCBRIDE Wall Street Journal July 18, 2008; Page B10 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121634908179464605.html?mod=googlenews_wsj }}
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I see a split has been suggested. As I said above and on the Comics Project talk page, I'd suggest assembling sources and expanding the section and then we can look at splitting it. As it stands, the section doesn't demonstrate enough content or sources to support an article. What I want to avoid is this just coming back to us as a merge. ( Emperor ( talk) 13:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC))
It may not be notable, but the Bleed from the DC/Wildstorm comics is named after the structural element; in the comics, it is the space between universes, literally what's off the page. I saw this confirmed by Warren Ellis somewhere; if it's considered notable, I'll try to track down the quote. Kelvingreen ( talk) 22:56, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Why is "Cartoonist" in quotes? CüRlyTüRkey Talk Contribs 05:43, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Why is this article restricted to comic books? CüRlyTüRkey Talk Contribs 05:46, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
This article has a lot of serious issues. It's definitely written almost entirely from an American perspective, and not only that, but from an American comic book perspective. Just look at how many times the word mainstream is used as a synonym for Marvel/DC comics, as if Marvel/DC were somehow more "mainstream" than Peanuts or Calvin and Hobbes, and as if superheroes mattered in the least in the international market (they don't---they're strictly fringe in European and Japanese comics). Its usage is an insulated recentism, and should be barred entirely from being used on the page.
I've gone and started a Glossary of comics terminology as an article to contain comics terms that aren't restricted to one culture, form or genre. I suggest this article be renamed to something like Glossary of American comic book terminology, and stripped down to focus on that. The page is so long and unfocused, not to mention severely lacking in references. CüRlyTüRkey Talk Contribs 08:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to source some of the original research here, but it's difficult to find reliable sources that really care about splitting hairs over whether Watchmen was a comic book collected into a trade paperback or a graphic novel. I did find a few newsblogs that discussed the issue, but they looked very much to be written by irritable fanboys. I guess I can dig up those articles again if someone wants to see them, but it was mostly just a matter of trying different variations of Google searches like "watchmen" "trade paperback" "not a graphic novel" and "alan moore" "graphic novel". As such, I'm really not sure that we should spend spend such time splitting hairs over definitions, either. If I remember, I might come back and clean up a bit of the fanpov and original research. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 16:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
As discussed, changed the scope of the article. I know that the lead is too short, but I'll work on expanding it later. I dislike writing leads, and most of the articles upon which I work labor under a frankly inadequate one until I'm done messing with the actual content. Or someone else can write a better lead. Here's a summary of the major changes I made:
Would someone have the time and energy to go through the links and redirects linking to this article. I believe a lot of them would be better linked to Glossary of comics terminology. 惑乱 Wakuran ( talk) 20:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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I disagree that the German Interwiki is incorrect. The articles do largely contain the same topic. The titles are different but this srticle isn't a description of glosses. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * ( talk) 00:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I would think that a "vocabulary"/glossary of comics should at least mention terms and concepts like "Silver Age", "Golden Age" and some of the genres (not least to note that "Superheroes" isn't it), but would someone like to suggest whether it would be appropriate to include a (very) brief "History of (Modern) Comics" (i.e. 1933, 1938-Superman; 1947-Romance; EC; 1954-Wertham&Code; 1961-Marvel; 1960s-Underground; 1970s-Direct market&Shops; 1980s-Maus/Watchmen/DKR; 1988&1992-Dark Horse&Image; 1990s-Bust) which could then interlink ages, genres and key people without detailing them in an encyclopedic fashion...? ntnon ( talk) 14:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I added some example illustration, one of which includes sound effects. There is no section for this. Perhaps an expert could add some information on this topic (BAM! BAM! SPANG! SPLAT! WANG! KAWUNNGG!) - Leonard G. ( talk) 19:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Motion comics should have a separate article. It is a new growing medium that is not properly covered in the two sentences included in this article.-- Marcus Brute ( talk) 00:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Courtesy of the once and future Comics Research Bibliography - http://www.rpi.edu/~bulloj/comxbib.html The special 3rd issue of IJOCA this year will be a bibliography - now perhaps including this selection.
Phegley, Kiel. 2009. Comic Book Resources (August 28): http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22724
by Dave Richards, Staff Writer Wed, August 19th, 2009 at 8:58AM (PDT) http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22595
Executive Editor Tom Brevoort gets us inside the next great phase in Marvel storytelling! Posted: 2009-08-19 Updated: 2009-08-19 17:38:24 http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.9234.Marvel_Hotline~colon~_Brevoort_on_Spider-Woman
By Wolfen Moondaughter August 10, 2009 http://www.sequentialtart.com/article.php?id=1466
Neal Adams, Continuity Studios eye feature films By Borys Kit Aug 3, 2009, 11:00 PM ET http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3icaec2feffc977edc6bc9fc961255105d
By Vaneta Rogers posted: 23 July 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/070923-MotionComics.html
A new adaptation of a classic comic book sets a high standard for a relatively low-tech art form Kate Taylor Toronto Globe and Mail Monday, Jun. 08, 2009 04:17PM EDT http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/watchmen-animated-it-works/article1173722/
by Caleb Goellner, Guest Contributor Tue, May 26th, 2009 at 3:58PM PST http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21347
By Vaneta Rogers posted: 26 May 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/050926-TheQ-Tech.html
PRWeb Thu May 7, 3:01 am ET Award-winning filmmaker Matt Pizzolo compares and contrasts the newest animation formats based on an analysis of Warner Premiere's Watchmen motion comics and Halo-8's Godkiller illustrated film. Los Angeles, CA (PRWEB) May 7, 2009 -- Award-winning filmmaker Matt Pizzolo ("THREAT") has outlined the distinctions between two emerging animation formats, 'motion comics' and 'illustrated films,' in his Hollywood-2.0 blog ( http://www.hollywood-2point0.com).
By Vaneta Rogers posted: 09 April 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090409-e-reader-comics.html
By Steve Fritz posted: 17 March 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/tv/090317-animated-shorts.html
http://www.newsarama.com/common/media/video/player.php?aid=26244 Brian Michael Bendis talks Spider Woman motion comic and Dark Reign at NY Comic Con 2009.
By Laura Hudson -- Publishers Weekly, 2/9/2009 8:54:00 PM http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6636198.html?nid=2789
By Vaneta Rogers posted: 08 February 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020908-Spider-Woman-Bendis.html
http://www.newsarama.com/common/media/video/player.php?aid=25556 A behind the scenes documentary of Sparks, the first motion comic book for the iPhone and iPod Touch.
By John Siuntres posted: 28 January 2009 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/010928-WB-Watchmen-Motion.html
by Emmett Furey, Staff Writer Fri, January 23rd, 2009 at 1:53PM PST http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19675
Prototype The Comics Are Feeling the Pain of Print By LESLIE BERLIN http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/business/media/28proto.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
Posted by Eric Franklin CNET's Crave December 9 2008 http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10119457-1.html
By John Siuntres posted: 04 December 2008 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/120804-Word-Balloon-Ross.html The acclaimed graphic album Batman: Black & White debuts Tuesday, December 8th as a Warner Premiere Motion Comics series.
By Andrew Wallenstein – Mon Nov 24, 2008 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081124/media_nm/us_media_premiere_2
Associated Press. 2008. Editor and Publisher Online (November 3): http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/departments/syndicates/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003886371
Set for digital-motion treatment from Warners, DC By Borys Kit Hollywood Reporter Oct 8, 2008 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i7e19cce243eb21aa51690a063cbe5edf
Jennifer M. Contino Comicon's The Pulse 09-10-2008 http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=007463
PW Comics Week August 26, 2008 By Laura Hudson -- Publishers Weekly, 8/25/2008 http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6590126.html?nid=2789
Although print comics are still thriving, Marvel and DC Comics are getting a head start on finding digital outlets for their properties by Chris Albrecht Business Week August 22 2008 http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2008/tc20080821_870628.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_technology
Publishers are taking a close look at a variety of models—from the Web and mobile phones to iTunes and the Sony Reader—for the digital delivery of comics. by Laura Hudson -- Publishers Weekly, 8/18/2008 http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6587963.html?nid=2789
By Matt Brady Newsarama 2008-08-11 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080811-SDCC08-Levitz.html
note this bit apropos of this week's news - " Well, it's a Warner Premiere business venture. When they wanted to do it, part of my role was traveling with Diane Nelson, who ruins that division to England and sit down with Dave Gibbons and show him the stuff and see if he was okay with it, and get his input on how we could make it better. Dave got very involved and took an active role in how we were developing the Watchmen Motion Comic."
Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2008 By GILBERT CRUZ http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1832062,00.html
Episodes of "Watchmen" and "Batman: Mad Love" Last update: 1:00 a.m. EDT July 18, 2008 http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/warner-premieres-motion-comics-launches/story.aspx?guid=%7BEAB68E13-FD5E-47E3-A816-CF56AAC2E700%7D&dist=hppr
Online Shorts Boost Batman By SARAH MCBRIDE Wall Street Journal July 18, 2008; Page B10 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121634908179464605.html?mod=googlenews_wsj }}
--
I see a split has been suggested. As I said above and on the Comics Project talk page, I'd suggest assembling sources and expanding the section and then we can look at splitting it. As it stands, the section doesn't demonstrate enough content or sources to support an article. What I want to avoid is this just coming back to us as a merge. ( Emperor ( talk) 13:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC))
It may not be notable, but the Bleed from the DC/Wildstorm comics is named after the structural element; in the comics, it is the space between universes, literally what's off the page. I saw this confirmed by Warren Ellis somewhere; if it's considered notable, I'll try to track down the quote. Kelvingreen ( talk) 22:56, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Why is "Cartoonist" in quotes? CüRlyTüRkey Talk Contribs 05:43, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Why is this article restricted to comic books? CüRlyTüRkey Talk Contribs 05:46, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
This article has a lot of serious issues. It's definitely written almost entirely from an American perspective, and not only that, but from an American comic book perspective. Just look at how many times the word mainstream is used as a synonym for Marvel/DC comics, as if Marvel/DC were somehow more "mainstream" than Peanuts or Calvin and Hobbes, and as if superheroes mattered in the least in the international market (they don't---they're strictly fringe in European and Japanese comics). Its usage is an insulated recentism, and should be barred entirely from being used on the page.
I've gone and started a Glossary of comics terminology as an article to contain comics terms that aren't restricted to one culture, form or genre. I suggest this article be renamed to something like Glossary of American comic book terminology, and stripped down to focus on that. The page is so long and unfocused, not to mention severely lacking in references. CüRlyTüRkey Talk Contribs 08:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to source some of the original research here, but it's difficult to find reliable sources that really care about splitting hairs over whether Watchmen was a comic book collected into a trade paperback or a graphic novel. I did find a few newsblogs that discussed the issue, but they looked very much to be written by irritable fanboys. I guess I can dig up those articles again if someone wants to see them, but it was mostly just a matter of trying different variations of Google searches like "watchmen" "trade paperback" "not a graphic novel" and "alan moore" "graphic novel". As such, I'm really not sure that we should spend spend such time splitting hairs over definitions, either. If I remember, I might come back and clean up a bit of the fanpov and original research. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 16:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
As discussed, changed the scope of the article. I know that the lead is too short, but I'll work on expanding it later. I dislike writing leads, and most of the articles upon which I work labor under a frankly inadequate one until I'm done messing with the actual content. Or someone else can write a better lead. Here's a summary of the major changes I made:
Would someone have the time and energy to go through the links and redirects linking to this article. I believe a lot of them would be better linked to Glossary of comics terminology. 惑乱 Wakuran ( talk) 20:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)