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According to The Independent, we now have DNA evidence that the Miracinonyx's closest living relative is in fact the Puma, and that their MRCA lived about thee million years ago, both descended from a "puma-like cat" that entered North America around six million years ago. See http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article304652.ece — B.Bryant 11:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
http://abc.zoo.ox.ac.uk/Papers/currbiol05_cats.pdf
Camahuetos 01:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps M. studeri is also a valid species (See: Cheetah#Genetics and classification)-- Altaileopard ( talk) 08:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Howdy User:UtherSRG. I need a clarification from you on a point of style. I added quotes around "American cheetahs" in the first sentence. You removed the quotes. My reasoning: "The American cheetahs (genus Miracinonyx) were at least two species of felines similar the the Cheetah." I.e., they weren't Acinonyx, i.e., they weren't really cheetahs, i.e., the quotes are appropriate. Why did you remove the quotes? Wikifully, 201.50.251.197 02:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The Taxonomy section Simply reverting back refreshes the damage. Stylistically, the parentheses are not ideal, but without some sort of explanation, the section reads like a mess. Someone who doesn't know that a cougar is a puma, but knows they are cats is going to be confused. The italics on puma are insufficient to differentiate the common name from the genus since puma is also a common name. Heck, I knew there wasn't any difference. I knew the genus and it still took me time to figure out what the paragraph was saying. Encyclopedia articles are to inform the uninformed. If you wish to lord over the article, fine. But fix the confusion or I will come back and fix it myself. -- 24.6.207.223 ( talk) 08:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
If there is something wrong about the picture, can someone point out to me what needs to/should be corrected? But if it's simply a matter of taste, can someone point out where in Wikipedia it says it's ok to (re)start edit wars over one's personal tastes or distastes?-- Mr Fink ( talk) 12:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm certain the picture used on this page is photoshopped. The head is distinctly that of a cougar's and the body has been clearly cropped from an image of a cheetah running. Whoever thinks this picture is appropriate is an idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.3.139.40 ( talk) 22:32, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, given the state of current taxonomic knowledge about this genus it seems that reference to it as a "cheetah" is inappropriate. Most likely a name like "plains puma" or "running puma" would be more appropriate as a common name. Until the taxonomic situation is clarified, and an appropriate common name becomes widespread, I suggest renaming this article "Miracinonyx" and turning "American_cheetah" into a redirect page. -- Hrimpurstala ( talk) 13:23, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
The intro text claims it's Pliocene, but then lists dates in the Pleistocene. Which is it? Mokele ( talk) 01:14, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Giant Cheethsa are related to modern cheethas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.14.221.107 ( talk) 18:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
There's been some recent coverage of this species' possible interactions with pronghorns and its influence on the latter's evolution: this article covers it well. If anyone wants to digest it & incorporate it into the article, go ahead: otherwise I'll dive in when I have a little time to devote to it ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 21:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
As per WP:CONSISTENCY and general policy/consensus regarding prehistoric genera, I propose to move this page to Miracinonyx.-- SilverTiger12 ( talk) 20:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move American cheetah or American lion, Consensus to move all other paged listed in this RM. ( non-admin closure) Iffy★ Chat -- 09:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
– See above SilverTiger12 ( talk) 16:38, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Agree to all the moves, would indeed be consistent with other prehistoric cat page titles. Though it may be necessary to check whether Trinil, Wanhsien and Ngandong tigers are still considered tiger subspecies. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 16:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC), edited -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 08:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Leo1pard's most recent edit has a lot of good changes but one very much confuses me: under "See also," the only text is "[giant bbc." I'm sure this is unintentional, but I cannot guess what it was supposed to say. DancingGrumpyCat talk | (ze/zir or she/her) 04:45, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/360719486_MIRACINONYX_TRUMANI_CARNIVORA_FELIDAE_FROM_THE_RANCHOLABREAN_OF_THE_GRAND_CANYON_ARIZONA_AND_ITS_IMPLICATIONS_FOR_THE_ECOLOGY_OF_THE_AMERICAN_CHEETAH (Miracinonyx trumani (Carnivora; Felidae) from the Rancholabrean of the Grand Canyon, Arizona and its implications for the ecology of the “American Cheetah”)
SuperTah ( talk) 18:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium ( talk) 20:33, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
American cheetah → Miracinonyx – With very few exceptions, Wikipedia for fossil taxons should use the taxonomic name rather than an informal one, and there's not much evidence for a preference for "American cheetah" over "Miracinonyx" in the paleontological record since it can definitely be misleading. Also recent research suggests that Miracinonyx isn't really a convergent example with Acinonyx like previously thought, especially since M. trumani retains retractable claws that cripple its ability to run further but allow it to grapple prey like its closest relative Puma concolor and unlike A. jubatus. It is proposed that M. trumani had a unique predatory behavior overall that has no living analogues. [2] [3] PrimalMustelid ( talk) 20:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
just proposing a less drastic turn of phrase. speed is relative and any predator which could catch a pronghorn is obviously very fast. perhaps retractable claws means it is not cheetah-fast so how about "'reduced' its ability to run fast" 69.251.47.164 ( talk) 23:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
The main article states that M. trumani was the more cougar like of the two species. I suspect that this is incorrect. Every other source I have found states that M. trumani was the later, more derived and more cheetah like of the two species; I seem to remember the Wikipedia article stating this as well at one point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.108.84 ( talk • contribs)
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According to The Independent, we now have DNA evidence that the Miracinonyx's closest living relative is in fact the Puma, and that their MRCA lived about thee million years ago, both descended from a "puma-like cat" that entered North America around six million years ago. See http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article304652.ece — B.Bryant 11:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
http://abc.zoo.ox.ac.uk/Papers/currbiol05_cats.pdf
Camahuetos 01:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps M. studeri is also a valid species (See: Cheetah#Genetics and classification)-- Altaileopard ( talk) 08:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Howdy User:UtherSRG. I need a clarification from you on a point of style. I added quotes around "American cheetahs" in the first sentence. You removed the quotes. My reasoning: "The American cheetahs (genus Miracinonyx) were at least two species of felines similar the the Cheetah." I.e., they weren't Acinonyx, i.e., they weren't really cheetahs, i.e., the quotes are appropriate. Why did you remove the quotes? Wikifully, 201.50.251.197 02:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The Taxonomy section Simply reverting back refreshes the damage. Stylistically, the parentheses are not ideal, but without some sort of explanation, the section reads like a mess. Someone who doesn't know that a cougar is a puma, but knows they are cats is going to be confused. The italics on puma are insufficient to differentiate the common name from the genus since puma is also a common name. Heck, I knew there wasn't any difference. I knew the genus and it still took me time to figure out what the paragraph was saying. Encyclopedia articles are to inform the uninformed. If you wish to lord over the article, fine. But fix the confusion or I will come back and fix it myself. -- 24.6.207.223 ( talk) 08:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
If there is something wrong about the picture, can someone point out to me what needs to/should be corrected? But if it's simply a matter of taste, can someone point out where in Wikipedia it says it's ok to (re)start edit wars over one's personal tastes or distastes?-- Mr Fink ( talk) 12:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm certain the picture used on this page is photoshopped. The head is distinctly that of a cougar's and the body has been clearly cropped from an image of a cheetah running. Whoever thinks this picture is appropriate is an idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.3.139.40 ( talk) 22:32, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, given the state of current taxonomic knowledge about this genus it seems that reference to it as a "cheetah" is inappropriate. Most likely a name like "plains puma" or "running puma" would be more appropriate as a common name. Until the taxonomic situation is clarified, and an appropriate common name becomes widespread, I suggest renaming this article "Miracinonyx" and turning "American_cheetah" into a redirect page. -- Hrimpurstala ( talk) 13:23, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
The intro text claims it's Pliocene, but then lists dates in the Pleistocene. Which is it? Mokele ( talk) 01:14, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Giant Cheethsa are related to modern cheethas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.14.221.107 ( talk) 18:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
There's been some recent coverage of this species' possible interactions with pronghorns and its influence on the latter's evolution: this article covers it well. If anyone wants to digest it & incorporate it into the article, go ahead: otherwise I'll dive in when I have a little time to devote to it ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 21:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
As per WP:CONSISTENCY and general policy/consensus regarding prehistoric genera, I propose to move this page to Miracinonyx.-- SilverTiger12 ( talk) 20:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move American cheetah or American lion, Consensus to move all other paged listed in this RM. ( non-admin closure) Iffy★ Chat -- 09:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
– See above SilverTiger12 ( talk) 16:38, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Agree to all the moves, would indeed be consistent with other prehistoric cat page titles. Though it may be necessary to check whether Trinil, Wanhsien and Ngandong tigers are still considered tiger subspecies. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 16:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC), edited -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 08:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Leo1pard's most recent edit has a lot of good changes but one very much confuses me: under "See also," the only text is "[giant bbc." I'm sure this is unintentional, but I cannot guess what it was supposed to say. DancingGrumpyCat talk | (ze/zir or she/her) 04:45, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/360719486_MIRACINONYX_TRUMANI_CARNIVORA_FELIDAE_FROM_THE_RANCHOLABREAN_OF_THE_GRAND_CANYON_ARIZONA_AND_ITS_IMPLICATIONS_FOR_THE_ECOLOGY_OF_THE_AMERICAN_CHEETAH (Miracinonyx trumani (Carnivora; Felidae) from the Rancholabrean of the Grand Canyon, Arizona and its implications for the ecology of the “American Cheetah”)
SuperTah ( talk) 18:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium ( talk) 20:33, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
American cheetah → Miracinonyx – With very few exceptions, Wikipedia for fossil taxons should use the taxonomic name rather than an informal one, and there's not much evidence for a preference for "American cheetah" over "Miracinonyx" in the paleontological record since it can definitely be misleading. Also recent research suggests that Miracinonyx isn't really a convergent example with Acinonyx like previously thought, especially since M. trumani retains retractable claws that cripple its ability to run further but allow it to grapple prey like its closest relative Puma concolor and unlike A. jubatus. It is proposed that M. trumani had a unique predatory behavior overall that has no living analogues. [2] [3] PrimalMustelid ( talk) 20:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
just proposing a less drastic turn of phrase. speed is relative and any predator which could catch a pronghorn is obviously very fast. perhaps retractable claws means it is not cheetah-fast so how about "'reduced' its ability to run fast" 69.251.47.164 ( talk) 23:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
The main article states that M. trumani was the more cougar like of the two species. I suspect that this is incorrect. Every other source I have found states that M. trumani was the later, more derived and more cheetah like of the two species; I seem to remember the Wikipedia article stating this as well at one point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.108.84 ( talk • contribs)