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I think that some information about the finds of a mosaic and a chest of drawers belong in the chapter Disappearance. I don't know the correct dates, it was in the 90's. These findings a returned to the reconstructed chamber. Also the indications of the removal of the chamber from Königsberg should be known. The last traces of the transport were around Weimar.
The Russian name of the Amber Room is not legible to me (instead, it shows accented latin characters). It probably is in some other ISO encoding, not in Unicode. Can someone who speaks Russian and has access to a Cyrillic keyboard mapping enter the name in Unicode? Thanks. - Marcika 02:01, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Fixed, by pasting the title of the Russian version of this article. -:o) 5 May 2005
This is getting really tiresome. Since the craftsmen in question are ethnic Germans, I think it's reasonable to prefer the Danzig variant of the name, as that's what they presumably called it. Also, according to Talk:Gdansk/Vote, that city is to be referred to as Danzig "between 1308 and 1945" - i.e. at the time we are speaking of in this article. So I put back the Danzig, but left a note that it's now called Gdansk. Noel (talk) 22:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Removed:
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ghirlandajo ( talk • contribs) 21:02, 15 July 2005.
Having received no reply despite making two requests on your talk: page, I'm going to replace that material. If you simply delete it again, I will instantly file an RFC. Noel (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I have made some changes: very clear that the evidence produced indicates that the Amber Room was destroyed when the Red Army burned the castle in 1945. That doesn't make it fact; rather, it represents their very credible theory that the Red Army was responsible (not the RAF, which the previous edit seems to suggest). Kentish 7 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.62.161 ( talk)
The section is confusingly worded and repetitive. Has anything happened since Feb? Is Hans-Peter Haustein the same person as Heinz-Peter Haustein? Noble Rust ( talk) 03:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to delete it -- current news is they didn't find anything; it definitely doesn't warrent it's own section.-- 68.35.11.25 ( talk) 06:37, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/02/21/Russian-treasure-stolen-by-Nazis-found/UPI-88221203579765/ Definitively warrants it's own section. 99.236.221.124 ( talk) 04:01, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Removed:
This is unsubstantiated tabloid nonsense. No refs, not even the name of the Mayor, and the old name Koenigsberg when refering to the current Mayor(!). In any case this stuff does not belong in an intro. 1812ahill ( talk) 02:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
One of the only helicopters in the world was used for a perilous flight to Danzig in the closing stages of the war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Achgelis_Fa_223#Danzig_flight No reason has been given for the mission which seems strange for such a valuable asset. Could it be that the retreival of some or all of the dismantled Amber Room was involved ? I would like to see an experts opinion of the possibility, as any chance that this masterpiece may still be in existence should be investigated.
Is there an estimate of the final cost of reconstruction of the Amber Room? The only amount written here talks about those extra 3.5 million USD given by a German Firm. What is the Grand Total? WPF2008 ( talk) 09:42, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
People can accept that there were various ownerships of the area (including several armies) with different agendas, 'incomplete and localised archives', and many treasures being moved around in some secrecy, during and after WWII; and things do get destroyed, hidden for long periods ( St Stephen's Crown) or not recognised for what they are (the Alfred Jewel as a dog-collar ornament). What 'seems odd' is that the Amber Room 'so large and decorative' disappeared without trace - that no bits were taken as souvenirs, 'lost' or otherwise kept.
There are actually two Amber Rooms - the actual and real one which disappeared, whether burnt or under the replacement building, and the mirage one which "should" exist or be found if only all the archives could be correlated, and all the tunnels and other possibilities explored. Whether the remade Amber Room is more one or the other, or some combination of both cannot be determined. 128.127.29.19 ( talk) 18:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Have authenticated remnants of the original Amber Room ever been recovered? And if so, in what countries? Understanding the geopolitical aspect of this situation, post soviet era art, and the marginalization of non political and religious art during the Soviet regime, what efforts were made during the Soviet regime to reconstruct the Amber Room? Could these elements add to the article at hand? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loki49 ( talk • contribs) 19:31, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
It took me most of my day, but I have massively improved the article as it's of high importance of the project scale. I'm going to nominate it for GA-status before the end of the week. Regards, Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 00:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey there mate. I have re-added the image you removed from the article because: that part of the article describes a great deal about the Battle of Konigsberg and events related to Königsberg, so having a picture like that is not irrelevant. If you still disagree, I suggest we take to the talk page and get in the input of a neutral, third party. Regards, Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:06, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree that the article may benefit from more pictures. I may suggest following topics:
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Jonas Vinther, I will complete a thorough and comprehensive review and re-review of this article within the next 48 hours. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments for me in the meantime. Thanks again! -- Caponer ( talk) 19:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Jonas Vinther, I have completed my thorough and comprehensive review and re-review of this article and I assess that it easily meets all the criteria for Good Article status. I do, however, have a few comments and questions that must be addressed prior to its passage to Good Article status. Thank you again for your extraordinary efforts in completing this article! -- Caponer ( talk) 19:53, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Lede
History
Reconstruction
Disappearance and mysteries
Architecture
While no doubt formally the article meets the GA standards, it is time to actually improve the article:
Still, I'd like to join Caponer in his congrats for the significant effort in copyediting of this article. I would also remind that the article is a joint effort of numerous contributors, who added this or that until the article became ripe to be picked by a copyeditor. Still, it is sad to notice that this article was thoroughly neglected during recent years, together with most of wikipedia. -M.Altenmann >t 03:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
The lede is overburdened with detail. E.g., the history of its design must be moved into the corresponding section. -M.Altenmann >t 03:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Russian-language sources are completely ignored. While this is no a problem (this is English-language wikipedia after all), still they have much more detail than "second-hand" non-Russian non-German sources. In this respect, reference to Scotland on Sunday is especially... er... amusing, speaking of sloppiness in finding good references. -M.Altenmann >t 04:04, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
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...when there are some blatant inaccuracies like the Amber Room was built into the Charlottenburg Palace. I corrected it, but I suppose there are further mistakes. Ernio48 ( talk) 19:38, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
"... is a reconstructed chamber ... its current whereabouts remain a mystery."
So which is it? -- 84.132.148.245 ( talk) 15:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
The article now reads, under Evacuation during World War II: "However, over the years the amber had dried out and become brittle, making it impossible to move the room without the amber crumbling"; then in the very next paragraph, "German soldiers of Army Group North disassembled the Amber Room within 36 hours under the supervision of two experts … the priceless room reached Königsberg in East Prussia, for storage and display in the town's castle …On 13 November 1941, a Königsberg newspaper announced an exhibition of the Amber Room at Königsberg Castle.
If the room had been impossible to move, the Germans couldn't have moved it… Presumably, the article should read that the Russians thought it couldn't be moved?
24.136.4.218 ( talk) 15:55, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
The United States was actually backing Hitler on the down low they knew he was pretty much of a thief and for safe passage to Argentina they requested the Amber room what would really be messed up is did they really melt it down most likely they did United States government is very evil believe it or not 151.213.93.71 ( talk) 04:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
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I think that some information about the finds of a mosaic and a chest of drawers belong in the chapter Disappearance. I don't know the correct dates, it was in the 90's. These findings a returned to the reconstructed chamber. Also the indications of the removal of the chamber from Königsberg should be known. The last traces of the transport were around Weimar.
The Russian name of the Amber Room is not legible to me (instead, it shows accented latin characters). It probably is in some other ISO encoding, not in Unicode. Can someone who speaks Russian and has access to a Cyrillic keyboard mapping enter the name in Unicode? Thanks. - Marcika 02:01, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Fixed, by pasting the title of the Russian version of this article. -:o) 5 May 2005
This is getting really tiresome. Since the craftsmen in question are ethnic Germans, I think it's reasonable to prefer the Danzig variant of the name, as that's what they presumably called it. Also, according to Talk:Gdansk/Vote, that city is to be referred to as Danzig "between 1308 and 1945" - i.e. at the time we are speaking of in this article. So I put back the Danzig, but left a note that it's now called Gdansk. Noel (talk) 22:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Removed:
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ghirlandajo ( talk • contribs) 21:02, 15 July 2005.
Having received no reply despite making two requests on your talk: page, I'm going to replace that material. If you simply delete it again, I will instantly file an RFC. Noel (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I have made some changes: very clear that the evidence produced indicates that the Amber Room was destroyed when the Red Army burned the castle in 1945. That doesn't make it fact; rather, it represents their very credible theory that the Red Army was responsible (not the RAF, which the previous edit seems to suggest). Kentish 7 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.62.161 ( talk)
The section is confusingly worded and repetitive. Has anything happened since Feb? Is Hans-Peter Haustein the same person as Heinz-Peter Haustein? Noble Rust ( talk) 03:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to delete it -- current news is they didn't find anything; it definitely doesn't warrent it's own section.-- 68.35.11.25 ( talk) 06:37, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/02/21/Russian-treasure-stolen-by-Nazis-found/UPI-88221203579765/ Definitively warrants it's own section. 99.236.221.124 ( talk) 04:01, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Removed:
This is unsubstantiated tabloid nonsense. No refs, not even the name of the Mayor, and the old name Koenigsberg when refering to the current Mayor(!). In any case this stuff does not belong in an intro. 1812ahill ( talk) 02:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
One of the only helicopters in the world was used for a perilous flight to Danzig in the closing stages of the war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Achgelis_Fa_223#Danzig_flight No reason has been given for the mission which seems strange for such a valuable asset. Could it be that the retreival of some or all of the dismantled Amber Room was involved ? I would like to see an experts opinion of the possibility, as any chance that this masterpiece may still be in existence should be investigated.
Is there an estimate of the final cost of reconstruction of the Amber Room? The only amount written here talks about those extra 3.5 million USD given by a German Firm. What is the Grand Total? WPF2008 ( talk) 09:42, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
People can accept that there were various ownerships of the area (including several armies) with different agendas, 'incomplete and localised archives', and many treasures being moved around in some secrecy, during and after WWII; and things do get destroyed, hidden for long periods ( St Stephen's Crown) or not recognised for what they are (the Alfred Jewel as a dog-collar ornament). What 'seems odd' is that the Amber Room 'so large and decorative' disappeared without trace - that no bits were taken as souvenirs, 'lost' or otherwise kept.
There are actually two Amber Rooms - the actual and real one which disappeared, whether burnt or under the replacement building, and the mirage one which "should" exist or be found if only all the archives could be correlated, and all the tunnels and other possibilities explored. Whether the remade Amber Room is more one or the other, or some combination of both cannot be determined. 128.127.29.19 ( talk) 18:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Have authenticated remnants of the original Amber Room ever been recovered? And if so, in what countries? Understanding the geopolitical aspect of this situation, post soviet era art, and the marginalization of non political and religious art during the Soviet regime, what efforts were made during the Soviet regime to reconstruct the Amber Room? Could these elements add to the article at hand? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loki49 ( talk • contribs) 19:31, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
It took me most of my day, but I have massively improved the article as it's of high importance of the project scale. I'm going to nominate it for GA-status before the end of the week. Regards, Jonas Vinther ( speak to me!) 00:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey there mate. I have re-added the image you removed from the article because: that part of the article describes a great deal about the Battle of Konigsberg and events related to Königsberg, so having a picture like that is not irrelevant. If you still disagree, I suggest we take to the talk page and get in the input of a neutral, third party. Regards, Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:06, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
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Jonas Vinther, I will complete a thorough and comprehensive review and re-review of this article within the next 48 hours. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments for me in the meantime. Thanks again! -- Caponer ( talk) 19:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Jonas Vinther, I have completed my thorough and comprehensive review and re-review of this article and I assess that it easily meets all the criteria for Good Article status. I do, however, have a few comments and questions that must be addressed prior to its passage to Good Article status. Thank you again for your extraordinary efforts in completing this article! -- Caponer ( talk) 19:53, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Lede
History
Reconstruction
Disappearance and mysteries
Architecture
While no doubt formally the article meets the GA standards, it is time to actually improve the article:
Still, I'd like to join Caponer in his congrats for the significant effort in copyediting of this article. I would also remind that the article is a joint effort of numerous contributors, who added this or that until the article became ripe to be picked by a copyeditor. Still, it is sad to notice that this article was thoroughly neglected during recent years, together with most of wikipedia. -M.Altenmann >t 03:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
The lede is overburdened with detail. E.g., the history of its design must be moved into the corresponding section. -M.Altenmann >t 03:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Russian-language sources are completely ignored. While this is no a problem (this is English-language wikipedia after all), still they have much more detail than "second-hand" non-Russian non-German sources. In this respect, reference to Scotland on Sunday is especially... er... amusing, speaking of sloppiness in finding good references. -M.Altenmann >t 04:04, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
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...when there are some blatant inaccuracies like the Amber Room was built into the Charlottenburg Palace. I corrected it, but I suppose there are further mistakes. Ernio48 ( talk) 19:38, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
"... is a reconstructed chamber ... its current whereabouts remain a mystery."
So which is it? -- 84.132.148.245 ( talk) 15:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
The article now reads, under Evacuation during World War II: "However, over the years the amber had dried out and become brittle, making it impossible to move the room without the amber crumbling"; then in the very next paragraph, "German soldiers of Army Group North disassembled the Amber Room within 36 hours under the supervision of two experts … the priceless room reached Königsberg in East Prussia, for storage and display in the town's castle …On 13 November 1941, a Königsberg newspaper announced an exhibition of the Amber Room at Königsberg Castle.
If the room had been impossible to move, the Germans couldn't have moved it… Presumably, the article should read that the Russians thought it couldn't be moved?
24.136.4.218 ( talk) 15:55, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
The United States was actually backing Hitler on the down low they knew he was pretty much of a thief and for safe passage to Argentina they requested the Amber room what would really be messed up is did they really melt it down most likely they did United States government is very evil believe it or not 151.213.93.71 ( talk) 04:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)