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Hi Zefr, could you please explain more why these sources are not reliable? [1], [2] and [3].-- SharabSalam ( talk) 18:34, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Medical editors have to apply a standard for judging quality of evidence. That's what WP:MEDASSESS serves - it's worth a read and study of the sources shown in the pyramids. A high-quality source would be a Cochrane review of completed large-scale trials on aloe vera which - for skin wounds - is PMID 22336851, as used in the article. Wikipedia isn't a textbook for all studies to be cited on a topic; WP:NOTTEXTBOOK. High-quality trials on aloe vera are mostly absent because there is no sponsor to protect intellectual property or to pay for years of clinical research. The article states "There is no good evidence aloe vera is of use in treating wounds or burns" which is sourced to the conclusion of the Cochrane review. -- Zefr ( talk) 03:20, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Just to clarify my position: it can certainly be stated, with reliable sources for the claim, that AV is widely used for minor skin injuries like abrasions, burns, sunburns, etc. What can't be stated here, at present, is that it's efficacious when used, because there isn't an acceptable source to support this claim. I don't want to get into yet another long discussion, but please take seriously what Zefr wrote above. In particular:
Peter coxhead ( talk) 12:20, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
I have to side with the huge body of unreliable evidence instead of the name calling of existing better evidence. The exception is ingestion, which I have never done because I have always been leery of it through research. My reason is personal experience. I am 80 years old, and have used aloe Vera topically for at least 40 years. I feel that alone gives credence to my giving evidence. First let it be known that I do not use aloe as any product. I grow my own, and use it fresh, topically, by splitting a portion of leaf and applying the juice of the crushed jel, only, discarding all other portions of the left over skin. Though aloe is not antiseptic, and that should be handled first, the juice dries to a reasonable, short term, bandaid substitute. However, my main use is after the fact curative for burn relief, and before the fact sunblock. My skin is very white, and I sunburn quickly. As example, to gain a tan I must keep first exposure to less than 15 minutes, and extend that time very slowly. I find that aloe used as above has a sunblock value equal to that of Neutrogena 6, which gives me two hours in hot New Orleans sun. For longer periods I carry whole leaf segments with me. As comparison Neutrogena 100 gives me only 4 hours. Robert Leslie 12:13 AM April 23, 2023 174.251.224.101 ( talk) 05:17, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Zefr, could you please explain more why these sources are not reliable? [1], [2] and [3].-- SharabSalam ( talk) 18:34, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Medical editors have to apply a standard for judging quality of evidence. That's what WP:MEDASSESS serves - it's worth a read and study of the sources shown in the pyramids. A high-quality source would be a Cochrane review of completed large-scale trials on aloe vera which - for skin wounds - is PMID 22336851, as used in the article. Wikipedia isn't a textbook for all studies to be cited on a topic; WP:NOTTEXTBOOK. High-quality trials on aloe vera are mostly absent because there is no sponsor to protect intellectual property or to pay for years of clinical research. The article states "There is no good evidence aloe vera is of use in treating wounds or burns" which is sourced to the conclusion of the Cochrane review. -- Zefr ( talk) 03:20, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Just to clarify my position: it can certainly be stated, with reliable sources for the claim, that AV is widely used for minor skin injuries like abrasions, burns, sunburns, etc. What can't be stated here, at present, is that it's efficacious when used, because there isn't an acceptable source to support this claim. I don't want to get into yet another long discussion, but please take seriously what Zefr wrote above. In particular:
Peter coxhead ( talk) 12:20, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
I have to side with the huge body of unreliable evidence instead of the name calling of existing better evidence. The exception is ingestion, which I have never done because I have always been leery of it through research. My reason is personal experience. I am 80 years old, and have used aloe Vera topically for at least 40 years. I feel that alone gives credence to my giving evidence. First let it be known that I do not use aloe as any product. I grow my own, and use it fresh, topically, by splitting a portion of leaf and applying the juice of the crushed jel, only, discarding all other portions of the left over skin. Though aloe is not antiseptic, and that should be handled first, the juice dries to a reasonable, short term, bandaid substitute. However, my main use is after the fact curative for burn relief, and before the fact sunblock. My skin is very white, and I sunburn quickly. As example, to gain a tan I must keep first exposure to less than 15 minutes, and extend that time very slowly. I find that aloe used as above has a sunblock value equal to that of Neutrogena 6, which gives me two hours in hot New Orleans sun. For longer periods I carry whole leaf segments with me. As comparison Neutrogena 100 gives me only 4 hours. Robert Leslie 12:13 AM April 23, 2023 174.251.224.101 ( talk) 05:17, 23 April 2023 (UTC)