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@Exxcalibur808: Online chess tournaments are becoming a huge part of the overall chess environment. FIDE is even sponsoring the Fischer Random World Championship match with online play as a qualifying component. Alireza is a fixture online and has a huge Chess.com following. His results in the Junior Speed Chess Tournament are very important and he is one of the few candidates who has a real chance at winning.
Digitalgravity ( talk) 02:35, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Why is listing the Chess Kid online tournament considered Advertising?? The event is already popular in the Online Chess community and features the best young players in the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mainavid ( talk • contribs) 14:23, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, whoever is updating this page can you stop writing it in the present tense please. Updating the Tata Steel Chess section as if the present tense means that it needs updating afterwards to put it into standard wikipedia formatting.
Could you please write it so instead of 'currently taking part in Tata Steel', to 'participated in Tata Steel from [insert dates]'. Beast01998 ( talk) 18:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
I believe this has been brought up elsewhere, but I will say it (again?). Many people who read these chess articles don't know what something like "8/11 points (+5−0=6)" means. It would be nice if at the first use of such arcane content, a link to an explanation were included. Kdammers ( talk) 16:17, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Something is wrong with the age template being used. It lists Alireza's birthday as "18 June 2003", but his age still as "17." He turned 18 two days ago.
Kevin Hallward's Ghost ( Let's talk) 06:42, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
This got removed: "in the same month (July 2021) Leonard Barden wrote that he is 'widely tipped as a future world champion'. [1]" with the comment "(Its a nice reference but this sort of thing just puts too much pressure on a young player. Let him be. There is a big difference between 2750 and world champion)". [2] While I understand the sentiment, our job is just to report what the WP:Reliable Sources say, and chess journalism sources don't get much more reliable than Leonard Barden. Also, I remember similar things being said about Garry Kasparov (e.g. in the 1982 edition of Batsford Chess Openings when he was 19, though by that time he had already won the 1982 Interzonal and qualified for the Candidates; and also in a newspaper after he won the World Junior Chess Championship in 1980), and Magnus Carlsen. On the other hand, have there been similar predictions about others who have not quite made the very top, e.g. I wonder what has been said about Wei Yi? And I think Nigel Short said Sergei Karjakin could be a WC (though Short is prone to saying silly things). So in conclusion, I'm leaning to putting it or something similar back in, but I'm in no rush. Adpete ( talk) 03:32, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
There are ten "future world champions" for every world champion, if not more. It's technically accurate, but I think there's a better way to express that in the article. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 03:47, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
See the subject
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/12573990 https://twitter.com/mrfchess https://www.instagram.com/mr.firouzja/
Thewriter006 ( talk) 12:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Please stop edit warring over nationality and how it should be described. Use the talk page to agree on a formulation acceptable to all and move on.
(The other ongoing issue is the constant adding of live ratings, even in the middle of a tournament that hasn't even been completed yet. To reiterate, live ratings as published by 2700chess.com have no standing. 2700chess.com is a self-published source by some random internet guy; FIDE is chess's international governing body.) MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 22:17, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
I believe at this point, more editors have found "x-born y" incorrect. I, therefore, humbly ask for a vote. I will just list all the mentioned choices for a final decision: 1. Iranian/French Chess Player. 2. 'Iranian-born chess player who has been a French citizen since 2021' 3. Iranian-born chess player who has been a French citizen since 2021' 4. 'Iranian chess player who currently plays for France'. 5. 'Iranian-born French chess player. Sqanei ( talk) 01:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
One reliable source ( Leonard Barden) is now calling him a "former Iranian": "The former Iranian, who officially became a French citizen on Tuesday, ..." (which I assume means Tuesday Nov 23, since the column is dated Nov 26). [3] I am not saying we should say that, but it is a reference worth keeping in mind. Adpete ( talk) 01:05, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Page has been edited again to say Iranian chess player based in France. Unless we've reached a consensus on this I don't think it should have been edited. Firouzja is Iranian but he also lives and represents France and his switching to France is also notable to due Iranian politics. I think at the very least the page should say Iranian-French or French-Iranian player like we do with most players who switch Federations. CeviLevita ( talk) 18:35, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Another edit war is developing over whether to say Firouzja is the 4th youngest candidate behind Carlsen, Fischer and Kramnik, with one editor objecting because the world title was split when Vladimir Kramnik qualified for a Candidates at age 18 years 1 month in 1993 in FIDE World Chess Championship 1996. There are two responses to this.
But I think it is important to show just how impressive Firouzja's achievement is, and merely saying "one of the youngest" does not give the reader an idea of whether he is one of the 50 youngest or one of the 5 youngest; so I think we should be specific. If another reliable source says he is 3rd youngest (or 5th youngest, if someone wants to count Ruslan Ponomariov at FIDE World Chess Championship 2002), then we can make some comment that it depends on which tournaments are counted. But "one of the youngest" is too vague. Adpete ( talk) 07:56, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
IMPORTANT :
Firouzja has currently reached 2800 in live ratings (on 2700chess.com). He has not yet reached 2800 in official FIDE ratings. Please do not say that he is the youngest play to reach 2800 until FIDE releases the official rating list on 30th November 2021 or 1st December 2021.
Live rating's are not official FIDE ratings. Update the rating to 2800 only after FIDE releases it's rating list.
A chessbase article reporting this says "Firouzja will do it at 18 years, 5 months and 13 days"
Which means that Firouzja will become the youngest to cross 2800 on December 1st. This is what I have added in the description.
Tweet by 2700 chess "Firouzja (2803.8, World #2) beats Mamedyarov and will officially reach 2800+ on 1st Dec aged 18y 5m 13d. He'll be the YOUNGEST EVER to do so. Carlsen did it when aged 18y 11m 2d. Kasparov was 26. Firouzja's TPR in his last 20 games is 2913 "
APGP360 ( talk) 02:19, 22 November 2021 (UTC)APGP360
@Amakuru is right the distinction between live ratings Elo calculated by 2700chess.com is that it takes the changes in FIDE Elo from the published official ratings and calculates the new live rating as new from the FIDE baseline. That means live ratings will always be aligned to FIDE ratings at the end of each month after all games have been submitted to FIDE. I’ve spoken to 2700chess.com and they confirmed they are not and will never calculate real time ratings which would in that case be based on the last live rating and not the last fide rating. This means they will never diverge at the month end published FIDE ratings list. Michuk ( talk) 21:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Having introduced readers who are unfamiliar with the concept to Elo ratings early in the article, it is inelegant and unnecessary to add the name "Elo" every time a rating figure is mentioned. When discussing chess ratings the Elo system is implied and assumed unless another rating system such as BCF is specified. It's like specifying "hyper text transfer protocol" every time an internet address is mentioned; yes there are other protocols but http is implied/assumed unless specified otherwise. I explained this to User:Michuk on their talk page, yet they persist with these edits, on this and other chess biography pages. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 00:17, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
No I don’t persist with edits on Elo, only when a record is attained. It is sloppy and ambiguous not mention the rating achieved is in Elo and in standard format. Alireza has a rating of over 2800 in blitz. Caruana achieved over 2800 uscf at a younger age than Alireza. So to remove ambiguity it is important to reference Elo and standard. You said it doesn’t matter but it does. Michuk ( talk) 20:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
"Radjabov has a rating of 2753" is NOT universally understood because there are rapid and blitz ratings. Michuk ( talk) 10:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
The article presents Firouzja as an "Iranian-born French chess player". The reality is that he is an Iranian-French dual citizen as of now. The article must be amended to reflect that he is in fact an "Iranian-French chess player". According to the laws of Iran, renouncing Iranian citizenship is only possible for someone who is 25 or older. Firouzja is 18, and by law, he cannot lose his Iranian citizenship. He is a dual citizen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FermatLastTheorem ( talk • contribs) 02:02, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Response: Article 988 of the Civil Code of the Islamic Republic of Iran: Iranian nationals cannot abandon their nationality except on the following conditions: 1 - That they have reached the full age of 25.
Therefore, by the laws of Iran, he cannot lose his Iranian citizenship before reaching the age of 25. He is an Iranian citizen by law. The article says he is an "Iranian-born French" chess player. This is simply false. He is a French and also an Iranian citizen and Wikipedia must talk about truths, not what some people prefer to hear. The article must be corrected and remain corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FermatLastTheorem ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Question: What does "Country" mean in the Infobox? Following up on the above discussion, if it refers to Country of Nationality, it must be amended. Currently, the Infobox says Iran (until November 2019), but he is still an Iranian citizen. If, rather, it is the Country of Representation, this must be clarified too to avoid confusion (maybe replace "Country" with "Representation"). In this case, the period from 2019 to 2021 must be added to the list as well, when he played under the FIDE flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FermatLastTheorem ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
According to WP:CONTEXTBIO, the use of "Iranian-French" goes against the guidelines for describing ethnicity. Due to the previous comment stating that Firouzja is still an Iranian citizen, the "Iranian and French" stipulation should be used as Firouzja's chess activities, including his nationality changes, as an Iranian citizen are well known, and that he is also French by nationality, and will continue to play under the French flag for the forseeable future. SpyroeBM ( talk) 11:54, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
"Firouzja is currently the world's number two ranked player" - why is this in the lead? The Infobox includes his ranking.
As I've already explained, are you going to list No. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 in the leads for the remaining top 10 players? Why aren't they included there now? And which rank is no longer notable? Ranks change monthly and putting them in the lead unless No. 1 isn't necessary.
Divergence5 ( talk) 06:18, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
The article uses the same picture for Firouzja's profile and further down. I think another picture should be used at the top of the page, as otherwise it's repeating an image redundantly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ButterCashier ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I believe that the nationality should not consist Iranian in the introduction and would like to change it , hence I rebrought the old "Edit war" page back so the discussion can be done again. SHU KURENAI 23 ( talk) 15:19, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
This first sentence of this biographical article is "Vendeur de maron à chatelet (Persian: علیرضا فیروزجا, pronounced [æliːɾeˈzɒː fiːɾuːzˈdʒɒː]; born 18 June 2003) is an Iranian-French chess grandmaster."
I'd have expected it to begin with "Alireza Firouzja (Persian: علیرضا فیروزجا, pronounced..." instead; I'm not seeing a reason for the article to open the way it does. 64.66.193.189 ( talk) 22:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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@Exxcalibur808: Online chess tournaments are becoming a huge part of the overall chess environment. FIDE is even sponsoring the Fischer Random World Championship match with online play as a qualifying component. Alireza is a fixture online and has a huge Chess.com following. His results in the Junior Speed Chess Tournament are very important and he is one of the few candidates who has a real chance at winning.
Digitalgravity ( talk) 02:35, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Why is listing the Chess Kid online tournament considered Advertising?? The event is already popular in the Online Chess community and features the best young players in the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mainavid ( talk • contribs) 14:23, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, whoever is updating this page can you stop writing it in the present tense please. Updating the Tata Steel Chess section as if the present tense means that it needs updating afterwards to put it into standard wikipedia formatting.
Could you please write it so instead of 'currently taking part in Tata Steel', to 'participated in Tata Steel from [insert dates]'. Beast01998 ( talk) 18:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
I believe this has been brought up elsewhere, but I will say it (again?). Many people who read these chess articles don't know what something like "8/11 points (+5−0=6)" means. It would be nice if at the first use of such arcane content, a link to an explanation were included. Kdammers ( talk) 16:17, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Something is wrong with the age template being used. It lists Alireza's birthday as "18 June 2003", but his age still as "17." He turned 18 two days ago.
Kevin Hallward's Ghost ( Let's talk) 06:42, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
This got removed: "in the same month (July 2021) Leonard Barden wrote that he is 'widely tipped as a future world champion'. [1]" with the comment "(Its a nice reference but this sort of thing just puts too much pressure on a young player. Let him be. There is a big difference between 2750 and world champion)". [2] While I understand the sentiment, our job is just to report what the WP:Reliable Sources say, and chess journalism sources don't get much more reliable than Leonard Barden. Also, I remember similar things being said about Garry Kasparov (e.g. in the 1982 edition of Batsford Chess Openings when he was 19, though by that time he had already won the 1982 Interzonal and qualified for the Candidates; and also in a newspaper after he won the World Junior Chess Championship in 1980), and Magnus Carlsen. On the other hand, have there been similar predictions about others who have not quite made the very top, e.g. I wonder what has been said about Wei Yi? And I think Nigel Short said Sergei Karjakin could be a WC (though Short is prone to saying silly things). So in conclusion, I'm leaning to putting it or something similar back in, but I'm in no rush. Adpete ( talk) 03:32, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
There are ten "future world champions" for every world champion, if not more. It's technically accurate, but I think there's a better way to express that in the article. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 03:47, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
See the subject
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/12573990 https://twitter.com/mrfchess https://www.instagram.com/mr.firouzja/
Thewriter006 ( talk) 12:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Please stop edit warring over nationality and how it should be described. Use the talk page to agree on a formulation acceptable to all and move on.
(The other ongoing issue is the constant adding of live ratings, even in the middle of a tournament that hasn't even been completed yet. To reiterate, live ratings as published by 2700chess.com have no standing. 2700chess.com is a self-published source by some random internet guy; FIDE is chess's international governing body.) MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 22:17, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
I believe at this point, more editors have found "x-born y" incorrect. I, therefore, humbly ask for a vote. I will just list all the mentioned choices for a final decision: 1. Iranian/French Chess Player. 2. 'Iranian-born chess player who has been a French citizen since 2021' 3. Iranian-born chess player who has been a French citizen since 2021' 4. 'Iranian chess player who currently plays for France'. 5. 'Iranian-born French chess player. Sqanei ( talk) 01:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
One reliable source ( Leonard Barden) is now calling him a "former Iranian": "The former Iranian, who officially became a French citizen on Tuesday, ..." (which I assume means Tuesday Nov 23, since the column is dated Nov 26). [3] I am not saying we should say that, but it is a reference worth keeping in mind. Adpete ( talk) 01:05, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Page has been edited again to say Iranian chess player based in France. Unless we've reached a consensus on this I don't think it should have been edited. Firouzja is Iranian but he also lives and represents France and his switching to France is also notable to due Iranian politics. I think at the very least the page should say Iranian-French or French-Iranian player like we do with most players who switch Federations. CeviLevita ( talk) 18:35, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Another edit war is developing over whether to say Firouzja is the 4th youngest candidate behind Carlsen, Fischer and Kramnik, with one editor objecting because the world title was split when Vladimir Kramnik qualified for a Candidates at age 18 years 1 month in 1993 in FIDE World Chess Championship 1996. There are two responses to this.
But I think it is important to show just how impressive Firouzja's achievement is, and merely saying "one of the youngest" does not give the reader an idea of whether he is one of the 50 youngest or one of the 5 youngest; so I think we should be specific. If another reliable source says he is 3rd youngest (or 5th youngest, if someone wants to count Ruslan Ponomariov at FIDE World Chess Championship 2002), then we can make some comment that it depends on which tournaments are counted. But "one of the youngest" is too vague. Adpete ( talk) 07:56, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
IMPORTANT :
Firouzja has currently reached 2800 in live ratings (on 2700chess.com). He has not yet reached 2800 in official FIDE ratings. Please do not say that he is the youngest play to reach 2800 until FIDE releases the official rating list on 30th November 2021 or 1st December 2021.
Live rating's are not official FIDE ratings. Update the rating to 2800 only after FIDE releases it's rating list.
A chessbase article reporting this says "Firouzja will do it at 18 years, 5 months and 13 days"
Which means that Firouzja will become the youngest to cross 2800 on December 1st. This is what I have added in the description.
Tweet by 2700 chess "Firouzja (2803.8, World #2) beats Mamedyarov and will officially reach 2800+ on 1st Dec aged 18y 5m 13d. He'll be the YOUNGEST EVER to do so. Carlsen did it when aged 18y 11m 2d. Kasparov was 26. Firouzja's TPR in his last 20 games is 2913 "
APGP360 ( talk) 02:19, 22 November 2021 (UTC)APGP360
@Amakuru is right the distinction between live ratings Elo calculated by 2700chess.com is that it takes the changes in FIDE Elo from the published official ratings and calculates the new live rating as new from the FIDE baseline. That means live ratings will always be aligned to FIDE ratings at the end of each month after all games have been submitted to FIDE. I’ve spoken to 2700chess.com and they confirmed they are not and will never calculate real time ratings which would in that case be based on the last live rating and not the last fide rating. This means they will never diverge at the month end published FIDE ratings list. Michuk ( talk) 21:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Having introduced readers who are unfamiliar with the concept to Elo ratings early in the article, it is inelegant and unnecessary to add the name "Elo" every time a rating figure is mentioned. When discussing chess ratings the Elo system is implied and assumed unless another rating system such as BCF is specified. It's like specifying "hyper text transfer protocol" every time an internet address is mentioned; yes there are other protocols but http is implied/assumed unless specified otherwise. I explained this to User:Michuk on their talk page, yet they persist with these edits, on this and other chess biography pages. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 00:17, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
No I don’t persist with edits on Elo, only when a record is attained. It is sloppy and ambiguous not mention the rating achieved is in Elo and in standard format. Alireza has a rating of over 2800 in blitz. Caruana achieved over 2800 uscf at a younger age than Alireza. So to remove ambiguity it is important to reference Elo and standard. You said it doesn’t matter but it does. Michuk ( talk) 20:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
"Radjabov has a rating of 2753" is NOT universally understood because there are rapid and blitz ratings. Michuk ( talk) 10:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
The article presents Firouzja as an "Iranian-born French chess player". The reality is that he is an Iranian-French dual citizen as of now. The article must be amended to reflect that he is in fact an "Iranian-French chess player". According to the laws of Iran, renouncing Iranian citizenship is only possible for someone who is 25 or older. Firouzja is 18, and by law, he cannot lose his Iranian citizenship. He is a dual citizen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FermatLastTheorem ( talk • contribs) 02:02, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Response: Article 988 of the Civil Code of the Islamic Republic of Iran: Iranian nationals cannot abandon their nationality except on the following conditions: 1 - That they have reached the full age of 25.
Therefore, by the laws of Iran, he cannot lose his Iranian citizenship before reaching the age of 25. He is an Iranian citizen by law. The article says he is an "Iranian-born French" chess player. This is simply false. He is a French and also an Iranian citizen and Wikipedia must talk about truths, not what some people prefer to hear. The article must be corrected and remain corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FermatLastTheorem ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Question: What does "Country" mean in the Infobox? Following up on the above discussion, if it refers to Country of Nationality, it must be amended. Currently, the Infobox says Iran (until November 2019), but he is still an Iranian citizen. If, rather, it is the Country of Representation, this must be clarified too to avoid confusion (maybe replace "Country" with "Representation"). In this case, the period from 2019 to 2021 must be added to the list as well, when he played under the FIDE flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FermatLastTheorem ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
According to WP:CONTEXTBIO, the use of "Iranian-French" goes against the guidelines for describing ethnicity. Due to the previous comment stating that Firouzja is still an Iranian citizen, the "Iranian and French" stipulation should be used as Firouzja's chess activities, including his nationality changes, as an Iranian citizen are well known, and that he is also French by nationality, and will continue to play under the French flag for the forseeable future. SpyroeBM ( talk) 11:54, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
"Firouzja is currently the world's number two ranked player" - why is this in the lead? The Infobox includes his ranking.
As I've already explained, are you going to list No. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 in the leads for the remaining top 10 players? Why aren't they included there now? And which rank is no longer notable? Ranks change monthly and putting them in the lead unless No. 1 isn't necessary.
Divergence5 ( talk) 06:18, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
The article uses the same picture for Firouzja's profile and further down. I think another picture should be used at the top of the page, as otherwise it's repeating an image redundantly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ButterCashier ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I believe that the nationality should not consist Iranian in the introduction and would like to change it , hence I rebrought the old "Edit war" page back so the discussion can be done again. SHU KURENAI 23 ( talk) 15:19, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
This first sentence of this biographical article is "Vendeur de maron à chatelet (Persian: علیرضا فیروزجا, pronounced [æliːɾeˈzɒː fiːɾuːzˈdʒɒː]; born 18 June 2003) is an Iranian-French chess grandmaster."
I'd have expected it to begin with "Alireza Firouzja (Persian: علیرضا فیروزجا, pronounced..." instead; I'm not seeing a reason for the article to open the way it does. 64.66.193.189 ( talk) 22:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)