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The cast list should be a list but at some point between now and April 2018 someone turned it into an enormous table for no apparent reason. See MOS:FILM, specifically WP:FILMCAST because I think someone has misunderstood "Use tables with care due to their complexity" and failed to understand that guideline is not an encouragement to use tables (except in a few specific circumstances such as foreign language films redubbed), and does not supersede WP:PROSE and that prose is best, lists are okay sometimes, and tables even more complicated than lists and should be used sparingly.
Would someone please change it back. -- 109.79.184.216 ( talk) 16:09, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Currently this article states "Burton developed the story because he never felt an emotional tie to the original book." and cites a now-dead article as the source. I found this claim to be rather bold, and somewhat humorous as it fits with the narrative that Burton didn't understand the source material he was adapting. However upon checking the archive of the source, I found that it actually seems contradicts the claim in this article:
Tim Burton first read Lewis Carroll’s Alice In Wonderland somewhere between the ages of 8 and 10. “I felt a weird connection to it and life,” he said as he spoke of how the characters in Wonderland “represent aspects of the human psyche.” [1]
The phrase "weird connection" is admittedly vague, but I think it definitely implies an emotional tie, and seeing as the source doesn't make other claims around Burton's emotional tie to the book, I've marked it as failed verification.
Another possible piece of evidence for this claim from that source is here:
He pointed out that he had never seen a version of the Wonderland stories he had really liked [2]
As "versions" could conceivably include the original novel, however in other sources (like this one), he specifies that he doesn't like previous movie versions, which likely applies to his definition of "versions" in the above quote as well.
“Seeing other movie versions of it, I never felt an emotional connection to it. It was always a girl wandering around from one crazy character to another, and I never really felt any real emotional connection. So it’s an attempt to really try to give (”Alice in Wonderland”) some framework of emotional grounding that has never been in any version before. So that’s the challenge to me. You know every character’s weird, but it’s to try and give them their specific weirdness so that they’re all different. All his characters indicate some kind of mental weirdness that everybody goes through, but the real attempt was to try and make Alice feel more like a story as opposed to a series of events.” [3]
Since this is somewhat ambiguous, I've only tagged it and opened this talk page in case others disagree. However, I don't think there's sufficient evidence for this claim, and think it should probably be rephrased so that it's closer to the language used in the source it cites.
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I think it is because of the fact that the wonderland franchise doesn’t fit the usual Burton creative style of haunted Forrests and colourful outcasts Kirbopher2004 ( talk) 21:10, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Guys. Please read
MOS:FILM. I quote directly from the guideline: "The overall critical reception to a film should be supported by attributions to reliable sources that summarize reviews; do not synthesize individual reviews. Avoid weasel words. If any form of paraphrasing is disputed, quote the source directly.
" That means that you can't invent your own Rotten Tomatoes-style critical consensus. You have to directly cite a
reliable source that analyzed the reviews and came to a conclusion. If you post your own conclusion, this is
synthesis. It is generally easy to cite a source for the overall critical reception of a studio film. It's not like other forms of media; most aspects of a studio film are well-documented and analyzed in depth by reliable sources. I'm also getting tired of correcting misinformation in the lead, and I'm beginning to wonder if maybe it is deliberate. This film received negative reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, which is easily verified by clicking on the supplied link. You see that green "splat" graphic? That's what Rotten Tomatoes
uses to symbolize "rotten" reviews, aka negative.
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The cast list should be a list but at some point between now and April 2018 someone turned it into an enormous table for no apparent reason. See MOS:FILM, specifically WP:FILMCAST because I think someone has misunderstood "Use tables with care due to their complexity" and failed to understand that guideline is not an encouragement to use tables (except in a few specific circumstances such as foreign language films redubbed), and does not supersede WP:PROSE and that prose is best, lists are okay sometimes, and tables even more complicated than lists and should be used sparingly.
Would someone please change it back. -- 109.79.184.216 ( talk) 16:09, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Currently this article states "Burton developed the story because he never felt an emotional tie to the original book." and cites a now-dead article as the source. I found this claim to be rather bold, and somewhat humorous as it fits with the narrative that Burton didn't understand the source material he was adapting. However upon checking the archive of the source, I found that it actually seems contradicts the claim in this article:
Tim Burton first read Lewis Carroll’s Alice In Wonderland somewhere between the ages of 8 and 10. “I felt a weird connection to it and life,” he said as he spoke of how the characters in Wonderland “represent aspects of the human psyche.” [1]
The phrase "weird connection" is admittedly vague, but I think it definitely implies an emotional tie, and seeing as the source doesn't make other claims around Burton's emotional tie to the book, I've marked it as failed verification.
Another possible piece of evidence for this claim from that source is here:
He pointed out that he had never seen a version of the Wonderland stories he had really liked [2]
As "versions" could conceivably include the original novel, however in other sources (like this one), he specifies that he doesn't like previous movie versions, which likely applies to his definition of "versions" in the above quote as well.
“Seeing other movie versions of it, I never felt an emotional connection to it. It was always a girl wandering around from one crazy character to another, and I never really felt any real emotional connection. So it’s an attempt to really try to give (”Alice in Wonderland”) some framework of emotional grounding that has never been in any version before. So that’s the challenge to me. You know every character’s weird, but it’s to try and give them their specific weirdness so that they’re all different. All his characters indicate some kind of mental weirdness that everybody goes through, but the real attempt was to try and make Alice feel more like a story as opposed to a series of events.” [3]
Since this is somewhat ambiguous, I've only tagged it and opened this talk page in case others disagree. However, I don't think there's sufficient evidence for this claim, and think it should probably be rephrased so that it's closer to the language used in the source it cites.
Jackaloupe ( talk)
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I think it is because of the fact that the wonderland franchise doesn’t fit the usual Burton creative style of haunted Forrests and colourful outcasts Kirbopher2004 ( talk) 21:10, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Guys. Please read
MOS:FILM. I quote directly from the guideline: "The overall critical reception to a film should be supported by attributions to reliable sources that summarize reviews; do not synthesize individual reviews. Avoid weasel words. If any form of paraphrasing is disputed, quote the source directly.
" That means that you can't invent your own Rotten Tomatoes-style critical consensus. You have to directly cite a
reliable source that analyzed the reviews and came to a conclusion. If you post your own conclusion, this is
synthesis. It is generally easy to cite a source for the overall critical reception of a studio film. It's not like other forms of media; most aspects of a studio film are well-documented and analyzed in depth by reliable sources. I'm also getting tired of correcting misinformation in the lead, and I'm beginning to wonder if maybe it is deliberate. This film received negative reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, which is easily verified by clicking on the supplied link. You see that green "splat" graphic? That's what Rotten Tomatoes
uses to symbolize "rotten" reviews, aka negative.
NinjaRobotPirate (
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03:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)