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This may all be accurate or inaccurate - what is for certain is that it is unsourced. Furthermore, most (and that means over 90%) deals with Nixon and Kissinger and not with Haig. Sure, some background information is needed to understand Haig's action but a) this is way too much, b) it remains unclear what Haig actually did in this context apart from receiving Kissinger'S phone call and giving a barely audible, laughter-like response.
This seems like a case of undue weight. This allegation is supported by the previous version which unenclopedically highlighting certain items by boldening and/or repeating them.
If no source or rationale is given within the next few days, I will delete the entire passage quoted above. Str1977 (talk) 16:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Hey, State Department janitor: where do you get off on censoring American massacres around the world? Is 2-3 million in Laos, Cambodia or Viet Nam not enough? Or would that likely offend the sensitivity of virgin American eyes idolizing a criminal like Haig? Mind you, the average American today hasn't heard the name of the criminal. Or maybe you need to see it in an All-American history textbook? Moron, open your eyes. If you think censoring this ridiculous site helps people keep shopping like dimwits while over 1,000 bases around the world effectively dominate other nations then you're beyond help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.105.30 ( talk) 01:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
The vast majority of Wikipedia biographies about octogenarians who died of natural causes do not mention the cause of death in the lead. Jim Michael ( talk) 04:18, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Will someone who knows how the American military defined war time service please explain how Haig qualified for the World War II Victory Medal if he didn't graduate from West Point until 1947? Did transfering to West Point from a civilian college in 1945 and being a cadet from the fall of 1945 through the spring of 1947 count as war time service?
I'm not here to take sides on "great statesman vs. American war criminal" debate that some of you are into. All I'm asking for is an objective explanation on how he served in World War II. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.47.232 ( talk) 09:14, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I am the one who added in the Victory Medal and American Campaign Medal. Being in West Point is being in the military. You take an oath and are a service member. For example, today all cadets are awarded the National Defense Service medal for their service in the War on Terror.
All cadets that were cadets as of Dec. 31, 1946 were awarded the World War II Victory medal. All cadets that were cadets by March 1946 were awarded the American Campaign Medal.
This site- [1] -shows the ribbons. They are the first two, the third row from the bottom.-- Panzertank ( talk) 21:03, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't see any reason for the Pennsylvania or Business Wikiproject tags to be on this article. He has no notable association with Pennsylvania beyond childhood and early education. In any event, it looks like a bot went rather crazy putting Pennsylvania tags on probably every article with the word Pennsylvania in it. As for Business, he spent a couple of years in private industry, accomplishing nothing of note. The tags just seem excessive and unnecessary, especially as the article already falls under a number of legitimate tags. I will go ahead and prune those two tags. Safiel ( talk) 04:39, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
As per http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger :
Can this much repeated quote of Kissinger be attributed. I think this would be worthy of comment on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.129.25 ( talk) 23:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't have an account and don't plan to do a lot of editing on Wikipedia, but I posted the details of Alexander Haig's funeral because I was there, as a paid singer in the Choir of the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception. There is nothing on their website (bnsic.org) about the service. Surprisingly, I haven't found much media coverage of the funeral at all, but here is a notice:
http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/content/community/2010/02/25/Haigfuneral0226.html captured 3/8/2010 at 4:15pm EST.
As far as who gave the eulogies, I guess you have to take my word for it or find independent confirmation someplace else. I have a program from the service, but it isn't published anywhere. I don't plan to pursue this any further.
21:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)RB
I saw Alexander Haig in a documentary saying "President Johnson came and said 'the American people must never believe anything else than a lone gunman shot Kennedy'." I did not make a note what the docu was, as I was not anticipating to pass it on. If anybody knows that docu and can insert it in the article, maybe this is worth doing? Please note, Haig was not quoted as having said that, he said it on camera. 144.136.176.157 ( talk) 05:33, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Regardless of one's opinion of Haig, I'm not sure "murderer" in the first sentence of the article meets the idea of neutral POV. Also, not sure that a link to some Pink Floyd lyrics constitutes sufficient sourcing for such a claim, so I deleted both. 74.33.84.52 ( talk) 19:16, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
It has just emerged that Haig wanted to warn Argentina just before the retaking of South Georgia, to give the appearance of being an honest broker between both sides! ( newly released British files Telegraph, 28 Dec 2012). Bad advisors or what? 86.42.197.104 ( talk) 14:55, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Haig is mentioned – rather unflatteringly – in a number of popular songs (Pink Floyd, Dead Kennedys, Fifteen).
What is the best way to cite such references?
I placed the following citation in the article (under "References in popular culture"), for example, and it was removed due to "unreliable sourcing":
Haig accused of "crimes of violence against humanity" in the 1996 song "Landmine" by the punk rock band [[Fifteen_(band)|Fifteen]].<ref>{{cite video|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GxikunxScg|title=Fifteen - Land Mine on YouTube|accessdate=November 8, 2013 | work=YouTube | date=September 22, 2011}}</ref>
Would Last.fm be a better choice? It includes not only videos such as the one cited above, but also links to stream and/or purchase the original work, and links to lyrics. Granted, this is all less than ideal, but I don't know of any other way to cite the song lyrics other than to simply say, "go listen to the song" or "read the liner notes" - those are pretty much the most direct sources possible. Thoughts?
Example song references:
How much of this is notable at all? He was parodied in a couple of places and mentioned in a video game. Is this not just a big case of WP:UNDUE? Dbrodbeck ( talk) 15:19, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Can someone besides me please revert Renfield1031, who has started a trivial edit war to include unsourced commentary in this article? I asked him for sources, but he continues to revert with no edit summaries or discussion. TheTimesAreAChanging ( talk) 19:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
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"Haig, who repeatedly had difficulty with various members of the Reagan administration during his year-and-a-half in office, decided to resign his post on June 25, 1982.[36] President Reagan accepted his resignation on July 5.". The underlined sentence is wrong.
washingtonpost.com 26 June 1982: Alexander M. Haig Jr., charging that U.S. foreign policy no longer reflects "consistency, clarity and steadiness of purpose," abruptly resigned yesterday as secretary of state. President Reagan immediately chose former treasury secretary George P. Shultz to replace him.
Phillip G. Henderson (Managing The Presidency: The Eisenhower Legacy--from Kennedy To Reagan, May 2019) writes (chapter The Quest for Control: Haif versus the White House Staff):
The next day, Reagan gave Haig a letter saying that he accepted Haig's resignation. -- Neun-x ( talk) 06:44, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
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The article contains the following passage:
This may all be accurate or inaccurate - what is for certain is that it is unsourced. Furthermore, most (and that means over 90%) deals with Nixon and Kissinger and not with Haig. Sure, some background information is needed to understand Haig's action but a) this is way too much, b) it remains unclear what Haig actually did in this context apart from receiving Kissinger'S phone call and giving a barely audible, laughter-like response.
This seems like a case of undue weight. This allegation is supported by the previous version which unenclopedically highlighting certain items by boldening and/or repeating them.
If no source or rationale is given within the next few days, I will delete the entire passage quoted above. Str1977 (talk) 16:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Hey, State Department janitor: where do you get off on censoring American massacres around the world? Is 2-3 million in Laos, Cambodia or Viet Nam not enough? Or would that likely offend the sensitivity of virgin American eyes idolizing a criminal like Haig? Mind you, the average American today hasn't heard the name of the criminal. Or maybe you need to see it in an All-American history textbook? Moron, open your eyes. If you think censoring this ridiculous site helps people keep shopping like dimwits while over 1,000 bases around the world effectively dominate other nations then you're beyond help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.105.30 ( talk) 01:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
The vast majority of Wikipedia biographies about octogenarians who died of natural causes do not mention the cause of death in the lead. Jim Michael ( talk) 04:18, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Will someone who knows how the American military defined war time service please explain how Haig qualified for the World War II Victory Medal if he didn't graduate from West Point until 1947? Did transfering to West Point from a civilian college in 1945 and being a cadet from the fall of 1945 through the spring of 1947 count as war time service?
I'm not here to take sides on "great statesman vs. American war criminal" debate that some of you are into. All I'm asking for is an objective explanation on how he served in World War II. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.47.232 ( talk) 09:14, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I am the one who added in the Victory Medal and American Campaign Medal. Being in West Point is being in the military. You take an oath and are a service member. For example, today all cadets are awarded the National Defense Service medal for their service in the War on Terror.
All cadets that were cadets as of Dec. 31, 1946 were awarded the World War II Victory medal. All cadets that were cadets by March 1946 were awarded the American Campaign Medal.
This site- [1] -shows the ribbons. They are the first two, the third row from the bottom.-- Panzertank ( talk) 21:03, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't see any reason for the Pennsylvania or Business Wikiproject tags to be on this article. He has no notable association with Pennsylvania beyond childhood and early education. In any event, it looks like a bot went rather crazy putting Pennsylvania tags on probably every article with the word Pennsylvania in it. As for Business, he spent a couple of years in private industry, accomplishing nothing of note. The tags just seem excessive and unnecessary, especially as the article already falls under a number of legitimate tags. I will go ahead and prune those two tags. Safiel ( talk) 04:39, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
As per http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger :
Can this much repeated quote of Kissinger be attributed. I think this would be worthy of comment on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.129.25 ( talk) 23:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't have an account and don't plan to do a lot of editing on Wikipedia, but I posted the details of Alexander Haig's funeral because I was there, as a paid singer in the Choir of the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception. There is nothing on their website (bnsic.org) about the service. Surprisingly, I haven't found much media coverage of the funeral at all, but here is a notice:
http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/content/community/2010/02/25/Haigfuneral0226.html captured 3/8/2010 at 4:15pm EST.
As far as who gave the eulogies, I guess you have to take my word for it or find independent confirmation someplace else. I have a program from the service, but it isn't published anywhere. I don't plan to pursue this any further.
21:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)RB
I saw Alexander Haig in a documentary saying "President Johnson came and said 'the American people must never believe anything else than a lone gunman shot Kennedy'." I did not make a note what the docu was, as I was not anticipating to pass it on. If anybody knows that docu and can insert it in the article, maybe this is worth doing? Please note, Haig was not quoted as having said that, he said it on camera. 144.136.176.157 ( talk) 05:33, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Regardless of one's opinion of Haig, I'm not sure "murderer" in the first sentence of the article meets the idea of neutral POV. Also, not sure that a link to some Pink Floyd lyrics constitutes sufficient sourcing for such a claim, so I deleted both. 74.33.84.52 ( talk) 19:16, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
It has just emerged that Haig wanted to warn Argentina just before the retaking of South Georgia, to give the appearance of being an honest broker between both sides! ( newly released British files Telegraph, 28 Dec 2012). Bad advisors or what? 86.42.197.104 ( talk) 14:55, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Haig is mentioned – rather unflatteringly – in a number of popular songs (Pink Floyd, Dead Kennedys, Fifteen).
What is the best way to cite such references?
I placed the following citation in the article (under "References in popular culture"), for example, and it was removed due to "unreliable sourcing":
Haig accused of "crimes of violence against humanity" in the 1996 song "Landmine" by the punk rock band [[Fifteen_(band)|Fifteen]].<ref>{{cite video|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GxikunxScg|title=Fifteen - Land Mine on YouTube|accessdate=November 8, 2013 | work=YouTube | date=September 22, 2011}}</ref>
Would Last.fm be a better choice? It includes not only videos such as the one cited above, but also links to stream and/or purchase the original work, and links to lyrics. Granted, this is all less than ideal, but I don't know of any other way to cite the song lyrics other than to simply say, "go listen to the song" or "read the liner notes" - those are pretty much the most direct sources possible. Thoughts?
Example song references:
How much of this is notable at all? He was parodied in a couple of places and mentioned in a video game. Is this not just a big case of WP:UNDUE? Dbrodbeck ( talk) 15:19, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Can someone besides me please revert Renfield1031, who has started a trivial edit war to include unsourced commentary in this article? I asked him for sources, but he continues to revert with no edit summaries or discussion. TheTimesAreAChanging ( talk) 19:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
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"Haig, who repeatedly had difficulty with various members of the Reagan administration during his year-and-a-half in office, decided to resign his post on June 25, 1982.[36] President Reagan accepted his resignation on July 5.". The underlined sentence is wrong.
washingtonpost.com 26 June 1982: Alexander M. Haig Jr., charging that U.S. foreign policy no longer reflects "consistency, clarity and steadiness of purpose," abruptly resigned yesterday as secretary of state. President Reagan immediately chose former treasury secretary George P. Shultz to replace him.
Phillip G. Henderson (Managing The Presidency: The Eisenhower Legacy--from Kennedy To Reagan, May 2019) writes (chapter The Quest for Control: Haif versus the White House Staff):
The next day, Reagan gave Haig a letter saying that he accepted Haig's resignation. -- Neun-x ( talk) 06:44, 19 July 2019 (UTC)