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External link http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/goldman/berkman.html appears to be broken. The root link ( http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu) also appears to be broken. I won't delete it yet (in case its my ISP's crappy DNSing). 05:07, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
i would be so pissed off if this retard came into my office and tried to kill me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.139.207.240 ( talk • contribs) April 2, 2006 9:08 (UTC)
So would I, but Henry Clay Frick was a product of his time, and probably would have hired Pinkertons to kill you. Pustelnik ( talk) 15:38, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone alse think that adding "radical" to the term "anarchist" is a bit redundant? It sounds like my right-wing history teacher talking about it. Murderbike ( talk) 18:39, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Emma_Goldman#Berkman.27s_conviction. Thanks. Kaldari ( talk) 19:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Per WP:UNDUE:
According to this section of the article, which is completely unsourced, Berkman may or may not have had something to do with the plot. Yet there are two paragraphs about the bombing. It's practically as long as the discussion of the Frick assassination attempt.
In the interest of accurately portraying Berkman's life, I think (a) allegations that Berkman was associated with the bombing plot need to be sourced and (b) the whole section needs to be pruned to a reasonable length. — Malik Shabazz ( talk · contribs) 06:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Over the next few days, I'll be making some revisions to the article, adding some material to it, adding sources, and maybe correcting a few factual errors. Please bear with me while the article is under construction.
I'd like to get the article to Good article status. — Malik Shabazz ( talk · contribs) 21:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Looks great so far; I don't think anyone will object if you want to make sweeping changes. Let us know if there's anything specific you want help with. Best, Skomorokh 03:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes it would be nice with some clarifications, but in her book May Picqueray only expressed doubts and she has not printed anything more precise on the matter. I know what she meant with her doubts. They implicated private life and had no political importance. Mio Nielsen-- 82.125.57.99 ( talk) 19:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
It runs like this: "Le 28 juin 1936, je reçois un coup de fil d'Emma m'apprenant l'atroce, l'affreuse nouvelle, d'une voix brisée, à peine audible: Sacha venait de mourir. Dans une crise de dépression, il s'était tiré un coup de revolver. Le connaissant bien, je ne pouvais y croire et, aujourd'hui encore, si je pleure sa mort, un doute me tenaille le coeur." (My english is not safe enough to make a translation).
In her family we all knew what May thought about the death of Berkman, or rather: we knew what she knew about it. If she expressed it as a doubt in her book, it is - in my opinion -, because she still felt some obligations to be loyal... She had been a daily visitor in the home of Emma in St. Tropez, being engaged to typewrite a manuscript... She knew the couple very well. M.N.-- 83.200.157.7 ( talk) 16:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
A small correction of the translation: The french text says distinctly "fired a revolver on himself".-- 83.200.222.209 ( talk) 10:34, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Answer: A friend and anarchist historian, who had just written an article telling the usual version of the death of Berkman were very surprised when I told her what May meant with her doubts in her book. She knew the book well enough and told me that she had read the doubt-lines as being a bit fantastical and probably trying to implicate the police or some foreign CIA-KGB. She had, in consequence, never asked May about the meaning. She obviously believed me and were very pleased to have the information, but after a rapid afterthought she said: "I will never change my version of the death of Berkman". -- 83.200.157.7 ( talk) 06:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Answer: I dont blame you feeling like that-- 83.200.157.7 ( talk) 09:49, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I just removed reference to Berkman's supposed objection to "soviet use of violence" as this is overly broad. AB was opposed to broad use of terror after the revolution was secure and was opposed to the repression of anarchists. But certainly he supported some measure of violence to preserve the revolution from white Russians, as indicated in his statement in support of the Kronstadt rebels:
::White-guardist bands wish and may try to exploit this dissatisfaction in their own class interests. Hiding behind the workers and sailors they throw out slogans of the Constituent Assembly, of free trade, and similar demands.::::We Anarchists have long exposed the fiction of these slogans, and we declare to the whole world that we will fight with arms against any counter-revolutionary attempt, in coöperation with all friends of the Social Revolution and hand in hand with the Bolsheviki.::::Concerning the conflict between the Soviet Government and the workers and sailors, we hold that it must be settled not by force of arms, but by means of comradely agreement.:: GPRamirez5 ( talk) 04:33, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Alexander Berkman/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
;GA promotion The article is now rated GA after a successful GA nomination. Points suggested for future improvement include rewriting and sourcing paragraphs copied from the Emma Goldman article, and finding the source of the watermarked image, File:Berkman with Frick (1892).jpg. Future peer review is advised before nomination for FA status. -- Cast ( talk) 05:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC) |
Last edited at 05:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 07:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure of whether that's correct as he never was a US citizen? Synotia ( talk) 16:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
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External link http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/goldman/berkman.html appears to be broken. The root link ( http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu) also appears to be broken. I won't delete it yet (in case its my ISP's crappy DNSing). 05:07, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
i would be so pissed off if this retard came into my office and tried to kill me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.139.207.240 ( talk • contribs) April 2, 2006 9:08 (UTC)
So would I, but Henry Clay Frick was a product of his time, and probably would have hired Pinkertons to kill you. Pustelnik ( talk) 15:38, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone alse think that adding "radical" to the term "anarchist" is a bit redundant? It sounds like my right-wing history teacher talking about it. Murderbike ( talk) 18:39, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Emma_Goldman#Berkman.27s_conviction. Thanks. Kaldari ( talk) 19:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Per WP:UNDUE:
According to this section of the article, which is completely unsourced, Berkman may or may not have had something to do with the plot. Yet there are two paragraphs about the bombing. It's practically as long as the discussion of the Frick assassination attempt.
In the interest of accurately portraying Berkman's life, I think (a) allegations that Berkman was associated with the bombing plot need to be sourced and (b) the whole section needs to be pruned to a reasonable length. — Malik Shabazz ( talk · contribs) 06:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Over the next few days, I'll be making some revisions to the article, adding some material to it, adding sources, and maybe correcting a few factual errors. Please bear with me while the article is under construction.
I'd like to get the article to Good article status. — Malik Shabazz ( talk · contribs) 21:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Looks great so far; I don't think anyone will object if you want to make sweeping changes. Let us know if there's anything specific you want help with. Best, Skomorokh 03:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes it would be nice with some clarifications, but in her book May Picqueray only expressed doubts and she has not printed anything more precise on the matter. I know what she meant with her doubts. They implicated private life and had no political importance. Mio Nielsen-- 82.125.57.99 ( talk) 19:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
It runs like this: "Le 28 juin 1936, je reçois un coup de fil d'Emma m'apprenant l'atroce, l'affreuse nouvelle, d'une voix brisée, à peine audible: Sacha venait de mourir. Dans une crise de dépression, il s'était tiré un coup de revolver. Le connaissant bien, je ne pouvais y croire et, aujourd'hui encore, si je pleure sa mort, un doute me tenaille le coeur." (My english is not safe enough to make a translation).
In her family we all knew what May thought about the death of Berkman, or rather: we knew what she knew about it. If she expressed it as a doubt in her book, it is - in my opinion -, because she still felt some obligations to be loyal... She had been a daily visitor in the home of Emma in St. Tropez, being engaged to typewrite a manuscript... She knew the couple very well. M.N.-- 83.200.157.7 ( talk) 16:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
A small correction of the translation: The french text says distinctly "fired a revolver on himself".-- 83.200.222.209 ( talk) 10:34, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Answer: A friend and anarchist historian, who had just written an article telling the usual version of the death of Berkman were very surprised when I told her what May meant with her doubts in her book. She knew the book well enough and told me that she had read the doubt-lines as being a bit fantastical and probably trying to implicate the police or some foreign CIA-KGB. She had, in consequence, never asked May about the meaning. She obviously believed me and were very pleased to have the information, but after a rapid afterthought she said: "I will never change my version of the death of Berkman". -- 83.200.157.7 ( talk) 06:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Answer: I dont blame you feeling like that-- 83.200.157.7 ( talk) 09:49, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I just removed reference to Berkman's supposed objection to "soviet use of violence" as this is overly broad. AB was opposed to broad use of terror after the revolution was secure and was opposed to the repression of anarchists. But certainly he supported some measure of violence to preserve the revolution from white Russians, as indicated in his statement in support of the Kronstadt rebels:
::White-guardist bands wish and may try to exploit this dissatisfaction in their own class interests. Hiding behind the workers and sailors they throw out slogans of the Constituent Assembly, of free trade, and similar demands.::::We Anarchists have long exposed the fiction of these slogans, and we declare to the whole world that we will fight with arms against any counter-revolutionary attempt, in coöperation with all friends of the Social Revolution and hand in hand with the Bolsheviki.::::Concerning the conflict between the Soviet Government and the workers and sailors, we hold that it must be settled not by force of arms, but by means of comradely agreement.:: GPRamirez5 ( talk) 04:33, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Alexander Berkman/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
;GA promotion The article is now rated GA after a successful GA nomination. Points suggested for future improvement include rewriting and sourcing paragraphs copied from the Emma Goldman article, and finding the source of the watermarked image, File:Berkman with Frick (1892).jpg. Future peer review is advised before nomination for FA status. -- Cast ( talk) 05:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC) |
Last edited at 05:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 07:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure of whether that's correct as he never was a US citizen? Synotia ( talk) 16:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)