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Could we redirect the "God" wiki to this one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.242.193.22 ( talk) 22:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I notice I can't view the photo when on a Macintosh in Internet Explorer. I can view it in Firefox though on a Mac. No problems with Windows browsers and this page. Bebop 04:27, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hmmm. Interesting perspective there. In the early 1970s, I'd say the O'Jays were slick, the Carpenters were sterile, and Big Star was neither. But hey, this is wikipedia, not Allmusic.com. I shouldn't be surprised. Chilton evidently has a daughter who was in touch with his fans when Katrina caused many to worry about Chilton's safety. No mention of her here. <--(unsigned comment posted by 24.225.95.58)
All artists I know of get pans and raves. Even the best artists do, including national artists from other parts of the U.S. that I've been a fan of for the past 15 years who sometimes have had good albums raved about in some places end up complained about in other sources. There is no reason to summarize Chilton's life in a final paragraph about critics who should have their work pointed out in their own bios instead of their own paragraph here. So I moved these critic references, which I had previously helped add to, over to a Further Reading citations section. I had previously helped create the "critics" section when I added additional research, citations and subheads after someone had pulled out the only disparaging comment in a long, positive liner notes essay and placed it in this article (though that was not the thrust of the Hogg liner notes nor those of the second liner notes writer, Rick Clark, in the same album's notes), along with a sentence by Christgau that was unclear out of context it was from a review praising him and jokingly referred to irrelevant trivia about dishwashing.
It's not NPOV to single an artist out for a redundant section in his bio that is not provided to other artists at wikipedia, all of whom have albums with "divided" opinons by critics. So now there is a Further Reading section, which can have additional citation entries added.
This Wikipedia article does not rave about Chilton, has plenty of criticism mentioned, and there is no reason to end the story as though his life is summed up by randomly chosen, out-of-context statements by critics who all like some, but not all of his work, as with other artists; the article is already a fair overview of his career and not intended to be a review of the critics' careers. There are plenty of critics who think positively of his work as well, just as with any artist; all albums get raves and pans. In fact, a number of critics point to his work producing The Cramps as quite important, but people who focus on Big Star as all he did worth knowing about do not have NPOV on the subject of Chilton. This artist bio is already much more neutral than most and did not need the extra paragraph alluding to four writers when that's what references sections are for. (In the Big Star article I mentioned a couple of source names in passing as proof of something that another editor was confused on; names can be useful for proof but not needed here beyond Further Reading). — Bebop 02:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Summary -- Examples of where the article already makes it clear he's not universally praised without the additional paragraph being needed:
The above examples show there are sufficient references in the article to the fact he, like most, has received mixed reviews, actually over-emphasizing it (as I erred on the side of being negative instead of positive) since most of his albums also received positive reviews including by Christgau, just as is the case with every artist, without additionally tacking another paragraph at the end hammering home once more some randomly chosen quotations and falsely implying the writers mentioned are famous for these quotes by setting the section off dramatically. Enough is enough; since we have noted his split of opinion already, citing where to read more in "Further Reading" is sufficient without additionally beginning a "split of opinion" paragraph tacked at the end. Part of editing is knowing what to remove that is excess; that paragraph, largely researched and written by me, was redundant (like my comments here). How many times does the article need to repeat there's a split of opinion, something true of all artist's reviews; the paragraph was merely repetitive of prior info. — Bebop 11:24, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
"guitar work" is the more commonly used terminology compared to "guitarwork". As evidence, I cite the following: Google search hits: ("guitarwork") = 22,100 hits ("guitar work") = 677,000 hits
Dictionary.com result for "guitarwork" yeilds no result.
This is largely a trivial point since readers will understand either phrasing, but I do think that we should strive to use the more common phrasings where possible. I am reverting this back to the more common usage. Tobycat 19:39, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
why isnt there one of those boxes where it has how old he is, his genres, eye color, finger length? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 ( talk) 20:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
"WTC was an inside job"- wow someone needs to grow a sense of maturity. perhaps editing should be locked on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killamator ( talk • contribs) 04:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Did Alex Chilton appear on the Ray Davies album of duets, See My Friends (recorded in early 2010 but not released until November 2010)? Alex Chilton is listed as Davies duet partner on the song, Til the End of the Day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kraynak ( talk • contribs) 19:05, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Some "helpful" editor deleted these from the article, instead of working on converting them to inline citations. For myself, and any others that would like to work on that, I have copied them here. Many are dead links, and several are not reliable sources, but here they all are, as they were when they were removed from the article -- Foetusized ( talk) 15:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I wonder what we do when a source attributes something to someone (in this case, his widow) and the widow says she was misquoted? In particular, she says "My quote was taken out of context by the media and parroted endlessly which is how this matter of health insurance wound up on the wikipedia entry." This would seem to me to cast doubt on the entire source, and perhaps the health insurance thing just doesn't belong at all, since it otherwise has no support. -- jpgordon ::==( o ) 20:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
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Could we redirect the "God" wiki to this one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.242.193.22 ( talk) 22:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I notice I can't view the photo when on a Macintosh in Internet Explorer. I can view it in Firefox though on a Mac. No problems with Windows browsers and this page. Bebop 04:27, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hmmm. Interesting perspective there. In the early 1970s, I'd say the O'Jays were slick, the Carpenters were sterile, and Big Star was neither. But hey, this is wikipedia, not Allmusic.com. I shouldn't be surprised. Chilton evidently has a daughter who was in touch with his fans when Katrina caused many to worry about Chilton's safety. No mention of her here. <--(unsigned comment posted by 24.225.95.58)
All artists I know of get pans and raves. Even the best artists do, including national artists from other parts of the U.S. that I've been a fan of for the past 15 years who sometimes have had good albums raved about in some places end up complained about in other sources. There is no reason to summarize Chilton's life in a final paragraph about critics who should have their work pointed out in their own bios instead of their own paragraph here. So I moved these critic references, which I had previously helped add to, over to a Further Reading citations section. I had previously helped create the "critics" section when I added additional research, citations and subheads after someone had pulled out the only disparaging comment in a long, positive liner notes essay and placed it in this article (though that was not the thrust of the Hogg liner notes nor those of the second liner notes writer, Rick Clark, in the same album's notes), along with a sentence by Christgau that was unclear out of context it was from a review praising him and jokingly referred to irrelevant trivia about dishwashing.
It's not NPOV to single an artist out for a redundant section in his bio that is not provided to other artists at wikipedia, all of whom have albums with "divided" opinons by critics. So now there is a Further Reading section, which can have additional citation entries added.
This Wikipedia article does not rave about Chilton, has plenty of criticism mentioned, and there is no reason to end the story as though his life is summed up by randomly chosen, out-of-context statements by critics who all like some, but not all of his work, as with other artists; the article is already a fair overview of his career and not intended to be a review of the critics' careers. There are plenty of critics who think positively of his work as well, just as with any artist; all albums get raves and pans. In fact, a number of critics point to his work producing The Cramps as quite important, but people who focus on Big Star as all he did worth knowing about do not have NPOV on the subject of Chilton. This artist bio is already much more neutral than most and did not need the extra paragraph alluding to four writers when that's what references sections are for. (In the Big Star article I mentioned a couple of source names in passing as proof of something that another editor was confused on; names can be useful for proof but not needed here beyond Further Reading). — Bebop 02:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Summary -- Examples of where the article already makes it clear he's not universally praised without the additional paragraph being needed:
The above examples show there are sufficient references in the article to the fact he, like most, has received mixed reviews, actually over-emphasizing it (as I erred on the side of being negative instead of positive) since most of his albums also received positive reviews including by Christgau, just as is the case with every artist, without additionally tacking another paragraph at the end hammering home once more some randomly chosen quotations and falsely implying the writers mentioned are famous for these quotes by setting the section off dramatically. Enough is enough; since we have noted his split of opinion already, citing where to read more in "Further Reading" is sufficient without additionally beginning a "split of opinion" paragraph tacked at the end. Part of editing is knowing what to remove that is excess; that paragraph, largely researched and written by me, was redundant (like my comments here). How many times does the article need to repeat there's a split of opinion, something true of all artist's reviews; the paragraph was merely repetitive of prior info. — Bebop 11:24, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
"guitar work" is the more commonly used terminology compared to "guitarwork". As evidence, I cite the following: Google search hits: ("guitarwork") = 22,100 hits ("guitar work") = 677,000 hits
Dictionary.com result for "guitarwork" yeilds no result.
This is largely a trivial point since readers will understand either phrasing, but I do think that we should strive to use the more common phrasings where possible. I am reverting this back to the more common usage. Tobycat 19:39, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
why isnt there one of those boxes where it has how old he is, his genres, eye color, finger length? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 ( talk) 20:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
"WTC was an inside job"- wow someone needs to grow a sense of maturity. perhaps editing should be locked on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killamator ( talk • contribs) 04:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Did Alex Chilton appear on the Ray Davies album of duets, See My Friends (recorded in early 2010 but not released until November 2010)? Alex Chilton is listed as Davies duet partner on the song, Til the End of the Day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kraynak ( talk • contribs) 19:05, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Some "helpful" editor deleted these from the article, instead of working on converting them to inline citations. For myself, and any others that would like to work on that, I have copied them here. Many are dead links, and several are not reliable sources, but here they all are, as they were when they were removed from the article -- Foetusized ( talk) 15:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I wonder what we do when a source attributes something to someone (in this case, his widow) and the widow says she was misquoted? In particular, she says "My quote was taken out of context by the media and parroted endlessly which is how this matter of health insurance wound up on the wikipedia entry." This would seem to me to cast doubt on the entire source, and perhaps the health insurance thing just doesn't belong at all, since it otherwise has no support. -- jpgordon ::==( o ) 20:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
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