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Hi, I work for Bell Pottinger and the Government of Serbia is my client. I have declared this before on the COI Noticeboard before proposing edits/updates to the articles for Ivica Dačić, the National Assembly (Serbia) and the Accession of Serbia to the European Union.
I would like to suggest an edit to this article to reflect Vučić's activities as First Deputy Prime Minister, in particular his role in the coalition government’s efforts to tackle corruption, as well as in talks on Kosovo and Serbia’s bid for EU membership.
Looking at the article structure, it would make sense to include a section between Serbian Progressive Party and Croatian relations titled First Deputy Prime Minister, which might include the following:
Dacic was appointed First Deputy Prime Minister in the new cabinet following a parliamentary vote on 27 July 2012. 1
Anti-corruption
Within the new coalition government, Vučić also became head of the office for security services co-ordination, establishing a dedicated group of police officers to tackle high-level corruption. 2 In a March 2013 opinion poll, Vučić won a 71 per cent personal approval rating, mainly because of his anti-corruption campaign. 3
Kosovan relations and EU membership
Vučić has been central to negotiations on Serbia’s bid for EU accession, travelling to Brussels for talks with the EU’s Foreign Affairs Commissioner Baroness Ashton, as well as to Mitrovica to discuss the details of a political settlement between Belgrade and Pristina. 4 5 During his visit to Mitrovica, northern Kosovo, to garner support for the Brussels-brokered deal, he urged Kosovo Serbs to “leave the past and think about the future”. 5
Also, as a final sentence to the intro might be added:
He is also Serbia’s Defence Minister. 6
Feedback on these suggestions would be very much appreciated, and I note that there is a neutrality dispute. I will post again on the COI Noticeboard regarding this proposed edit. Many thanks. Vivj2012 ( talk) 16:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello Vivj2012. I noticed a couple of things for now:
Dacic was appointed First Deputy Prime Minister in the new cabinet following a parliamentary vote on 27 July 2012. [1]
Within the new coalition government, Vučić also became head of the office for security services co-ordination, establishing a dedicated group of police officers to tackle high-level corruption. [2] Vučić’s 71 per cent personal approval rating in a March 2013 opinion poll was in large part due to his anti-corruption campaign. [3]
Vučić has been central to negotiations on Serbia’s bid for EU accession, travelling to Brussels for talks with the EU’s Foreign Affairs Commissioner Baroness Ashton, as well as to Mitrovica to discuss the details of a political settlement between Belgrade and Pristina. [4] [5] During his visit to Mitrovica, northern Kosovo, to garner support for the Brussels-brokered deal, he urged Kosovo Serbs to “leave the past and think about the future”. [6]
He is also Serbia’s Defence Minister and oversees the intelligence agencies. [7]
Thanks very much. Vivj2012 ( talk) 13:49, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Is there any chance to lock this article for editing? It's being abused because of the elections -- 24.135.5.171 ( talk) 12:08, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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Vučić's claim that his "paternal grandfather Anđelko, great-grandfather Rade, uncles and almost the entire family were killed by the Ustaše" was researched by Jutarnji list in a recent article.(in Croatian) While JL is definitely far from a source sympathetic to Vučić, their rebuttal seems fairly well-researched and fact-based and leaves at least a reasonable doubt regarding the veracity of his statements (which AFAIK have not been independently confirmed). I'm not suggesting a particular editorial action here, it's just FYI. GregorB ( talk) 18:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Oca moga oca, Anđelka, jednog od najbogatijih srpskih domaćina u selu Čipuljić, ustaše su odvele u prvoj grupi i nedugo zatim likvidirale. Moj otac ga nikada nije ni video, jer se rodio nakon njegove smrti. Ubili su ga, a nama su kao porodici poznata imena ustaških koljača koji su u tome učestvovali, i potkazivača i neposrednih izvršilaca. Takođe, ubijeni su i Stevo Vučić, Ilija Vučić, Đorđo i Rajko Vučić, najbliža familija moga oca. Svi su ubijeni na početku Drugog svetskog rata. ... Na strani moje bake, očeve majke, porodica Kunovac, stradao je još veći broj ljudi, koji su ubijeni samo zato što su Srbi. Ubijeni od ustaške ruke u mojoj familiji broje se desetinama. U poslednjem ratu sve kuće Vučića, kao jedne od najuglednijih srpskih porodica, srušene su i spaljene. To su, takođe, obavili hrvatski 'junaci', jer kameni zidovi nisu mogli sami da se brane.
"My father's father, Anđelka, one of the richest Serbian hosts in the village of Čipuljić, took the Ustasha in the first group and then liquidated them shortly. My father never saw him since he was born after his death. They killed him and we, as families, were familiar with the names of the Ustasha knights involved in this, both the indictees and the direct perpetrators. Also, Stevo Vucic, Ilija Vucic, Djordjo and Rajko Vucic, the closest family of my father, were also killed. Everyone was killed at the start of World War II. ... On the side of my grandmother, father's mother, the Kunovac family, an even greater number of people were killed, who were killed only because they were Serbs. The Ustasha hand in my family was killed by dozens. In the last war, all the houses of Vucic, one of the most respected Serb families, were demolished and burned. This was also done by the Croatian 'heroes', because the stone walls could not defend themselves." 50.111.50.240 ( talk) 02:55, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Folks, some of the recent changes are allegedly/probably a lobbying manipulation, here is the link ( http://www.opensourceinvestigations.com/corruption/serbia-pm-vucic-illegally-used-public-funds-campaign/ ); serbian opposition party rtw. the link ( http://dostajebilo.rs/osi-vucic-nelegalno-koristio-drzavni-novac-u-kampanji/?lang=lat ). We should check it out. -- Ivan VA ( talk) 15:34, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
"He learned English in Brighton, England, and worked as a merchant in London for some time." Any details on this - eg was he studying at an institution in Brighton? MultipleTom ( talk) 11:32, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
The majority of this section seems to promote the anti-Vučić narrative by putting way too much focus on the particular type of criticism of Vučić, which questions the neutrality of the section. It definitively needs rewritting.
-- Reollun ( talk) 19:34, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Associated Press: https://www.foxnews.com/world/serbia-anti-government-protesters-surround-state-tv-building 50.111.50.240 ( talk) 02:59, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
@ Sadko: The source is very reliable. You and @ Resnjari: should not rv again. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 18:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
The article about Vucic, who has been the leading politician in Serbia for seven full years now (since 2012) has a slanted narrative that focuses almost exclusively on the criticism of Vucic, but to be more exact, only a particular kind of criticism. His 'ultranatiolist' past, as well as the 'deterioration in media freedoms' section clearly don't contribute to a neutral viewpoint, despite the fact that the article deals with the biography of a living politician and a country leader (and bound to be controversial one way or another). What we are seeing here is that the article leans towards the anti-Vucic narrative and criticism of his policies from the viewpoint of pro-Western liberal democratic agenda. The article fails to include any noteworthy mention of Vucic's neoliberal policies, as it probably suits the liberal democratic circles and Serbian pro-Western comprador elite and which pretend to criticize him otherwise but on whose support he relies in governing the country. So it seems that we have a rather selective criticism of Vucic which is neither neutral nor encyclopedic. The article should be re-written to a large extent to maintain neutrality. -- Reollun ( talk) 11:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
What image should be used in the infobox? -- Vacant0 ( talk) 15:20, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
B then C Alhough C is a higher quality image when enlarged, B has nicer framing and composition and looks better when compared to C at the size of an IB image. ~ HAL 333 17:15, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
B Framing is better than the others. zchrykng ( talk) 13:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
B seems like the best choice. theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) ( they/them) 07:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
B It has a better framing and the country's flag is in it. Sea Ane ( talk) 21:30, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
B, maybe C The other two are terrible pictures. Yousef Raz ( talk) 00:22, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
B It looks to be the most appropriate and neutral. I think there is pretty much unanimous consensus here. CranberryMuffin ( talk) 21:31, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
B, has better framing than the rest. BristolTreeHouse ( talk) 07:18, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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Hi, I work for Bell Pottinger and the Government of Serbia is my client. I have declared this before on the COI Noticeboard before proposing edits/updates to the articles for Ivica Dačić, the National Assembly (Serbia) and the Accession of Serbia to the European Union.
I would like to suggest an edit to this article to reflect Vučić's activities as First Deputy Prime Minister, in particular his role in the coalition government’s efforts to tackle corruption, as well as in talks on Kosovo and Serbia’s bid for EU membership.
Looking at the article structure, it would make sense to include a section between Serbian Progressive Party and Croatian relations titled First Deputy Prime Minister, which might include the following:
Dacic was appointed First Deputy Prime Minister in the new cabinet following a parliamentary vote on 27 July 2012. 1
Anti-corruption
Within the new coalition government, Vučić also became head of the office for security services co-ordination, establishing a dedicated group of police officers to tackle high-level corruption. 2 In a March 2013 opinion poll, Vučić won a 71 per cent personal approval rating, mainly because of his anti-corruption campaign. 3
Kosovan relations and EU membership
Vučić has been central to negotiations on Serbia’s bid for EU accession, travelling to Brussels for talks with the EU’s Foreign Affairs Commissioner Baroness Ashton, as well as to Mitrovica to discuss the details of a political settlement between Belgrade and Pristina. 4 5 During his visit to Mitrovica, northern Kosovo, to garner support for the Brussels-brokered deal, he urged Kosovo Serbs to “leave the past and think about the future”. 5
Also, as a final sentence to the intro might be added:
He is also Serbia’s Defence Minister. 6
Feedback on these suggestions would be very much appreciated, and I note that there is a neutrality dispute. I will post again on the COI Noticeboard regarding this proposed edit. Many thanks. Vivj2012 ( talk) 16:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello Vivj2012. I noticed a couple of things for now:
Dacic was appointed First Deputy Prime Minister in the new cabinet following a parliamentary vote on 27 July 2012. [1]
Within the new coalition government, Vučić also became head of the office for security services co-ordination, establishing a dedicated group of police officers to tackle high-level corruption. [2] Vučić’s 71 per cent personal approval rating in a March 2013 opinion poll was in large part due to his anti-corruption campaign. [3]
Vučić has been central to negotiations on Serbia’s bid for EU accession, travelling to Brussels for talks with the EU’s Foreign Affairs Commissioner Baroness Ashton, as well as to Mitrovica to discuss the details of a political settlement between Belgrade and Pristina. [4] [5] During his visit to Mitrovica, northern Kosovo, to garner support for the Brussels-brokered deal, he urged Kosovo Serbs to “leave the past and think about the future”. [6]
He is also Serbia’s Defence Minister and oversees the intelligence agencies. [7]
Thanks very much. Vivj2012 ( talk) 13:49, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Is there any chance to lock this article for editing? It's being abused because of the elections -- 24.135.5.171 ( talk) 12:08, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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Vučić's claim that his "paternal grandfather Anđelko, great-grandfather Rade, uncles and almost the entire family were killed by the Ustaše" was researched by Jutarnji list in a recent article.(in Croatian) While JL is definitely far from a source sympathetic to Vučić, their rebuttal seems fairly well-researched and fact-based and leaves at least a reasonable doubt regarding the veracity of his statements (which AFAIK have not been independently confirmed). I'm not suggesting a particular editorial action here, it's just FYI. GregorB ( talk) 18:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Oca moga oca, Anđelka, jednog od najbogatijih srpskih domaćina u selu Čipuljić, ustaše su odvele u prvoj grupi i nedugo zatim likvidirale. Moj otac ga nikada nije ni video, jer se rodio nakon njegove smrti. Ubili su ga, a nama su kao porodici poznata imena ustaških koljača koji su u tome učestvovali, i potkazivača i neposrednih izvršilaca. Takođe, ubijeni su i Stevo Vučić, Ilija Vučić, Đorđo i Rajko Vučić, najbliža familija moga oca. Svi su ubijeni na početku Drugog svetskog rata. ... Na strani moje bake, očeve majke, porodica Kunovac, stradao je još veći broj ljudi, koji su ubijeni samo zato što su Srbi. Ubijeni od ustaške ruke u mojoj familiji broje se desetinama. U poslednjem ratu sve kuće Vučića, kao jedne od najuglednijih srpskih porodica, srušene su i spaljene. To su, takođe, obavili hrvatski 'junaci', jer kameni zidovi nisu mogli sami da se brane.
"My father's father, Anđelka, one of the richest Serbian hosts in the village of Čipuljić, took the Ustasha in the first group and then liquidated them shortly. My father never saw him since he was born after his death. They killed him and we, as families, were familiar with the names of the Ustasha knights involved in this, both the indictees and the direct perpetrators. Also, Stevo Vucic, Ilija Vucic, Djordjo and Rajko Vucic, the closest family of my father, were also killed. Everyone was killed at the start of World War II. ... On the side of my grandmother, father's mother, the Kunovac family, an even greater number of people were killed, who were killed only because they were Serbs. The Ustasha hand in my family was killed by dozens. In the last war, all the houses of Vucic, one of the most respected Serb families, were demolished and burned. This was also done by the Croatian 'heroes', because the stone walls could not defend themselves." 50.111.50.240 ( talk) 02:55, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Folks, some of the recent changes are allegedly/probably a lobbying manipulation, here is the link ( http://www.opensourceinvestigations.com/corruption/serbia-pm-vucic-illegally-used-public-funds-campaign/ ); serbian opposition party rtw. the link ( http://dostajebilo.rs/osi-vucic-nelegalno-koristio-drzavni-novac-u-kampanji/?lang=lat ). We should check it out. -- Ivan VA ( talk) 15:34, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
"He learned English in Brighton, England, and worked as a merchant in London for some time." Any details on this - eg was he studying at an institution in Brighton? MultipleTom ( talk) 11:32, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
The majority of this section seems to promote the anti-Vučić narrative by putting way too much focus on the particular type of criticism of Vučić, which questions the neutrality of the section. It definitively needs rewritting.
-- Reollun ( talk) 19:34, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Associated Press: https://www.foxnews.com/world/serbia-anti-government-protesters-surround-state-tv-building 50.111.50.240 ( talk) 02:59, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
@ Sadko: The source is very reliable. You and @ Resnjari: should not rv again. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 18:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
The article about Vucic, who has been the leading politician in Serbia for seven full years now (since 2012) has a slanted narrative that focuses almost exclusively on the criticism of Vucic, but to be more exact, only a particular kind of criticism. His 'ultranatiolist' past, as well as the 'deterioration in media freedoms' section clearly don't contribute to a neutral viewpoint, despite the fact that the article deals with the biography of a living politician and a country leader (and bound to be controversial one way or another). What we are seeing here is that the article leans towards the anti-Vucic narrative and criticism of his policies from the viewpoint of pro-Western liberal democratic agenda. The article fails to include any noteworthy mention of Vucic's neoliberal policies, as it probably suits the liberal democratic circles and Serbian pro-Western comprador elite and which pretend to criticize him otherwise but on whose support he relies in governing the country. So it seems that we have a rather selective criticism of Vucic which is neither neutral nor encyclopedic. The article should be re-written to a large extent to maintain neutrality. -- Reollun ( talk) 11:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
What image should be used in the infobox? -- Vacant0 ( talk) 15:20, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
B then C Alhough C is a higher quality image when enlarged, B has nicer framing and composition and looks better when compared to C at the size of an IB image. ~ HAL 333 17:15, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
B Framing is better than the others. zchrykng ( talk) 13:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
B seems like the best choice. theleekycauldron ( talk • contribs) ( they/them) 07:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
B It has a better framing and the country's flag is in it. Sea Ane ( talk) 21:30, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
B, maybe C The other two are terrible pictures. Yousef Raz ( talk) 00:22, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
B It looks to be the most appropriate and neutral. I think there is pretty much unanimous consensus here. CranberryMuffin ( talk) 21:31, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
B, has better framing than the rest. BristolTreeHouse ( talk) 07:18, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
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