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It's seems like there might been a slight mistake in translation within the formation of this article, for this reason I propose a split.
Within English, Aldol reaction (singular) refers largely to Aldol addition specifically. While in other languages it seems to be referring to the general set of reactions. For this reason I propose a split to prevent confusion among the average Wikipedia reader.
One for addition that stays this page and is renamed to Aldol addition, because of it's preexisting links to other pages as addition (and because most, but not all, of the page is referring to aldol addition).
And a new one called Aldol reactions. With some of the sections here being moved to it where necessary. LoomCreek ( talk) 23:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. The main line of discussion here was WP:RECOGNIZABILITY, and participants were split on the question of whether the proposed title would be recognizable. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 18:05, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Aldol reaction → Aldol addition – Aldol reaction (singular) refers to Aldol additions in English. While in other languages its referring to the general set of reactions. So for chemists who are fluent in English but it's not their first language (which is fairly common within Wikipedia chemistry) its caused some editing mistakes. The majority of the page is about aldol addition, but there were some sections about the overall pair of reaction which have since been moved to Aldol reactions. With only two mentions of aldol condensations kept where it explained how certain reaction conditions are necessary for Aldol additions (to avoid condensation). See above for more information Talk:Aldol reaction#Mistake in translation (Aldol reaction vs. reactions) LoomCreek ( talk) 15:38, 21 April 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. SkyWarrior 22:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
At the top of the page, the very first reaction shown, the ketone reactant is drawn with the R' group receding into the page, and one of the hydrogens coming out of the page. There is no reason to show this molecule with this particular 3D structure - which misleadingly suggests that the reactant either has a tendency to exist in this conformation (it doesn't, the bond freely rotates), or that the α-carbon affects the chirality of the products(no chirality is shown in the products).
To be a chiral center, carbon needs to have four different constituents bonded to it, right? The α-carbon here has only three (two of its four constituents are hydrogen).
Also, the products are not shown as stereoselective, so the 3D structure of the reagents shouldn't matter here.
Organic chemistry is not an area where I have a high level of subject-matter expertise, so I'm posting this for discussion in case I'm mistaken, or if there is some sort of convention to show the 3D structure like this even though it isn't fixed. 1MathematicalGuy ( talk) 22:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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It's seems like there might been a slight mistake in translation within the formation of this article, for this reason I propose a split.
Within English, Aldol reaction (singular) refers largely to Aldol addition specifically. While in other languages it seems to be referring to the general set of reactions. For this reason I propose a split to prevent confusion among the average Wikipedia reader.
One for addition that stays this page and is renamed to Aldol addition, because of it's preexisting links to other pages as addition (and because most, but not all, of the page is referring to aldol addition).
And a new one called Aldol reactions. With some of the sections here being moved to it where necessary. LoomCreek ( talk) 23:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. The main line of discussion here was WP:RECOGNIZABILITY, and participants were split on the question of whether the proposed title would be recognizable. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 18:05, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Aldol reaction → Aldol addition – Aldol reaction (singular) refers to Aldol additions in English. While in other languages its referring to the general set of reactions. So for chemists who are fluent in English but it's not their first language (which is fairly common within Wikipedia chemistry) its caused some editing mistakes. The majority of the page is about aldol addition, but there were some sections about the overall pair of reaction which have since been moved to Aldol reactions. With only two mentions of aldol condensations kept where it explained how certain reaction conditions are necessary for Aldol additions (to avoid condensation). See above for more information Talk:Aldol reaction#Mistake in translation (Aldol reaction vs. reactions) LoomCreek ( talk) 15:38, 21 April 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. SkyWarrior 22:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
At the top of the page, the very first reaction shown, the ketone reactant is drawn with the R' group receding into the page, and one of the hydrogens coming out of the page. There is no reason to show this molecule with this particular 3D structure - which misleadingly suggests that the reactant either has a tendency to exist in this conformation (it doesn't, the bond freely rotates), or that the α-carbon affects the chirality of the products(no chirality is shown in the products).
To be a chiral center, carbon needs to have four different constituents bonded to it, right? The α-carbon here has only three (two of its four constituents are hydrogen).
Also, the products are not shown as stereoselective, so the 3D structure of the reagents shouldn't matter here.
Organic chemistry is not an area where I have a high level of subject-matter expertise, so I'm posting this for discussion in case I'm mistaken, or if there is some sort of convention to show the 3D structure like this even though it isn't fixed. 1MathematicalGuy ( talk) 22:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)