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Move to Chinese wine? -- Jiang
What is the thought about having each wine (or at least the major ones) in a separate article? Like European wines are in Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, etc.? Badagnani 15:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Why are mijiu, shaoxing, hung lu, etc. not mentioned in this article? Badagnani 00:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
This text is found in the sake article. Can it be added (if correct) to this article?
This text was just removed from the Maotai article but belongs here, if accurate. Is any of this useful? Badagnani 22:27, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Sjschen, here's another possible classification system that you might want to add if it's legit. Courtesy of Kowloonese:
Badagnani 19:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Suggestions: 1) "leaven" is not often used except in an old sense, to describe yeast used in the rising of bread (not in the fermentation of alcoholic beverages). Suggestion: replace with "yeast." Does this make sense in the translation from Chinese? 2) "Unctuous"/"unctuousness" is not a well known word in English. Further, it doesn't have a good connotation--it means kind of greasy or ointment-like. Could we use a different word? I assume it means that it has a "creamy" or somewhat viscous "mouth feel," so there must be a number of other terms that could substitute for "unctuous" that could be borrowed from wine tasting terminology. Badagnani 21:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Great work, Sjschen and all others. Do you think this article qualifies as a " good article" yet? Badagnani 21:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Now that we have Y and W classifications, maybe should start dividing production to Yellow and White liquors. If anything this may eventually spawn 2 new articles. Sjschen 22:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Should this character 曲 also mean "yeast"? That isn't one of the definitions here: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%9B%B2 . Badagnani 06:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Further question: 麴 is listed here as first tone, but the wiktionary entry lists it as a different tone. Which is incorrect? Badagnani 23:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Can someone tell me the third character in this wine's name? photo Badagnani 19:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
This article has gathered enough stuff about yellow and white liquors to be split up. Do you think we should move the classification and types of white liquor to baijiu? Should chinese wine become "yellow liquor" or should it remain to contain information about both white and yellow liquors? Sjschen 03:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Can someone define this? 碧綠酒 The first character is hard because it can mean several different things. Badagnani 07:15, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I believe that this article should be moved back to wine as was discussed much earlier in this talk section. - Vcelloho 00:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Move. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 11:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
The article deals with what Chinese call jiu whcih is all alcoholic beverages. As the first line of the article states: "Jiu is the Chinese word that refers to all alcoholic beverages. This word has often been 'mistranslated into English as 'wine', although the meaning is closer to 'alcoholic beverage' or 'liquor.'" The article covers no true wines and less than half even deals with rice "wines". (True wines are dealt with at Wine in China.) — AjaxSmack 02:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Related move request at Talk:Korean wine. — AjaxSmack 04:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
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A little background. When User:Alexwoods says, "I would go so far as to say that the term 'Chinese wine' is Chinglish, menu English, and I would be shocked to see it in print in the West", he has come pretty close to the case here. The term "wine" is commonly used by non-native Chinese speakers of English to refer to jiǔ and this can be credited to a shortcoming of English: the lack of a concise term for all alcoholic drinks/beverage. However, it is misleading to the vast majority of native and non-native English speaking Wikipedia users who are not familiar with this usage whether they assume wine to (narrowly) mean grape wine or (widely) mean any fermented drink. The existence of the Wine in China article dealing with true wines should attest to that. — AjaxSmack 19:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Since there is some argument about what wine is, please refer to the intro of the wine article which lists several meanings of wine which can be summarized from narrowest to widest meaning as follows:
Although some Chinese traditional jiǔs fit the 3rd and 4th definitions (e.g. mǐjiǔ [ rice "wine" ]) but many such as the mighty báijiǔ hard liquor clearly do not. it's fine to have rice wine at that location since there is no confusion with any "real" rice wine but that is not the case with this article. — AjaxSmack 21:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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Move to Chinese wine? -- Jiang
What is the thought about having each wine (or at least the major ones) in a separate article? Like European wines are in Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, etc.? Badagnani 15:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Why are mijiu, shaoxing, hung lu, etc. not mentioned in this article? Badagnani 00:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
This text is found in the sake article. Can it be added (if correct) to this article?
This text was just removed from the Maotai article but belongs here, if accurate. Is any of this useful? Badagnani 22:27, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Sjschen, here's another possible classification system that you might want to add if it's legit. Courtesy of Kowloonese:
Badagnani 19:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Suggestions: 1) "leaven" is not often used except in an old sense, to describe yeast used in the rising of bread (not in the fermentation of alcoholic beverages). Suggestion: replace with "yeast." Does this make sense in the translation from Chinese? 2) "Unctuous"/"unctuousness" is not a well known word in English. Further, it doesn't have a good connotation--it means kind of greasy or ointment-like. Could we use a different word? I assume it means that it has a "creamy" or somewhat viscous "mouth feel," so there must be a number of other terms that could substitute for "unctuous" that could be borrowed from wine tasting terminology. Badagnani 21:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Great work, Sjschen and all others. Do you think this article qualifies as a " good article" yet? Badagnani 21:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Now that we have Y and W classifications, maybe should start dividing production to Yellow and White liquors. If anything this may eventually spawn 2 new articles. Sjschen 22:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Should this character 曲 also mean "yeast"? That isn't one of the definitions here: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%9B%B2 . Badagnani 06:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Further question: 麴 is listed here as first tone, but the wiktionary entry lists it as a different tone. Which is incorrect? Badagnani 23:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Can someone tell me the third character in this wine's name? photo Badagnani 19:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
This article has gathered enough stuff about yellow and white liquors to be split up. Do you think we should move the classification and types of white liquor to baijiu? Should chinese wine become "yellow liquor" or should it remain to contain information about both white and yellow liquors? Sjschen 03:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Can someone define this? 碧綠酒 The first character is hard because it can mean several different things. Badagnani 07:15, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I believe that this article should be moved back to wine as was discussed much earlier in this talk section. - Vcelloho 00:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Move. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 11:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
The article deals with what Chinese call jiu whcih is all alcoholic beverages. As the first line of the article states: "Jiu is the Chinese word that refers to all alcoholic beverages. This word has often been 'mistranslated into English as 'wine', although the meaning is closer to 'alcoholic beverage' or 'liquor.'" The article covers no true wines and less than half even deals with rice "wines". (True wines are dealt with at Wine in China.) — AjaxSmack 02:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Related move request at Talk:Korean wine. — AjaxSmack 04:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.You narrow down the definition of "wine" to only alcoholic beverage made of grape. "True wine" does not only refer to the wine, but also "the fermented juice of any of various other fruits or plants" according to the American Heritage [2] and Mirriam Webster Dictionary [3].-- Appletrees ( talk) 02:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
A little background. When User:Alexwoods says, "I would go so far as to say that the term 'Chinese wine' is Chinglish, menu English, and I would be shocked to see it in print in the West", he has come pretty close to the case here. The term "wine" is commonly used by non-native Chinese speakers of English to refer to jiǔ and this can be credited to a shortcoming of English: the lack of a concise term for all alcoholic drinks/beverage. However, it is misleading to the vast majority of native and non-native English speaking Wikipedia users who are not familiar with this usage whether they assume wine to (narrowly) mean grape wine or (widely) mean any fermented drink. The existence of the Wine in China article dealing with true wines should attest to that. — AjaxSmack 19:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Since there is some argument about what wine is, please refer to the intro of the wine article which lists several meanings of wine which can be summarized from narrowest to widest meaning as follows:
Although some Chinese traditional jiǔs fit the 3rd and 4th definitions (e.g. mǐjiǔ [ rice "wine" ]) but many such as the mighty báijiǔ hard liquor clearly do not. it's fine to have rice wine at that location since there is no confusion with any "real" rice wine but that is not the case with this article. — AjaxSmack 21:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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