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Like many men of his time and age, Alcibiades was gay, or better: a homosexual. I can close one eye on Plato's dialogues, but this guy is really something. See for example: [1] Guildenrich ( talk) 21:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Is that why Socrates set him up for the fall of the Mutilation of the Herms? I read it that Alcibiades resisted Socrates’ homosexual proselytization. Semeion~enwiki ( talk) 15:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
The article states Alcibiades had a lisp, and quotes an English translation of Aristophanes' Wasps (unsourced) in wich the S is replaced by Th. This is not the case in the greek original, in which R are replaced by L. I don't know if this can be considered a lisp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.103.181.178 ( talk) 13:59, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
The Uncle of History has just deleted the main image for this article (shown at right), which has been the main image for the past eleven years, ever since this revision ( [2]) on October 17, 2006. His explanation for removing the image was "all that is is a Roman copy of an earlier Greek portrait bust of a random good looking Greek youth, which some museum curator in modern times has put on a modern pillar and inscribed "Alcibiades" on it, on the basis of no evidence at all." I would like to know what his sources are for this information. If what he said is indeed correct and the bust is, in fact, totally unconnected to Alcibiades, I will agree with the removal. If, however, there are any sources arguing that the bust may actually represent Alcibiades, I would propose that the image should be kept and that the caption should merely be tweaked to say that some scholars think it represents Alcibiades (citing a reliable source that says so), but that others disagree (citing a different source arguing this point). -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 20:10, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
@ The Uncle of History: What do you think of using this image for the infobox? I like it because it is a high quality painting by François-André Vincent, an artist who is not totally obscure; it is a relatively close-up view on Alcibiades (even though Socrates and Aspasia are also in the painting); and the iconography used to depict Alcibiades is fairly consistent with that used in other paintings. If you do not have any objections, I will put it in the infobox. -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 20:07, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
I fixed two instances of a dead link, specifically: [old] [1] [new] [2]
Same original material, same source, so I figured I could go ahead and just replace the old url with the new.
Now that I've done so, however, I don't know what to do about note [e], which made a lot of sense as long as the link was dead, but now seems redundant...
I've never edited wikipedia before and I don't want to be "aggressive" in deleting other people's work, so I thought I'd just leave this note here to seek advice Hasadigaeebowai ( talk) 16:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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, the one starting Thucydides records several speeches …, it does not appear to be affected in any way by the new link. Nor do I quite see how the link could affect a footnote in any material way. Article text and explanatory footnotes like this are part and parcel of our article on a given topic, while citations or references to a given source (in this case, the link you fixed) are a tool to verify that the information in our article (including the explanatory footnotes) is accurate. The existence of information somewhere outside Wikipedia does not make the same information here redundant. If that was not what you had in mind, perhaps you could elaborate? -- Xover ( talk) 06:24, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
The biggest issue I see here is the sourcing. There's way too much reliance on primary sources as there should be for a Wikipedia article. ( t · c) buidhe 20:22, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
What's up with the tone of this writing? It reads like a campfire tale or a eulogy, instead of an encyclopedic article. It gives account of historical facts with weird narrative phrasing, speculating over personal traits of the man and formulating hypotheticals on the fly. I quote "Alcibiades took part in the Battle of Potidaea in 432 BC, where Socrates was said to have saved his life.[18] Alcibiades later returned the favour by rescuing Socrates at the Battle of Delium in 424 BC."
"Alcibiades was famed throughout his life for his physical attractiveness, of which he was inordinately vain."
This is not of encyclopaedic relevance and reads like a personal judgment or take on behalf of whoever wrote this sentence. 2800:A4:272B:FA00:6D77:1413:1AD9:83AD ( talk) 15:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
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Like many men of his time and age, Alcibiades was gay, or better: a homosexual. I can close one eye on Plato's dialogues, but this guy is really something. See for example: [1] Guildenrich ( talk) 21:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Is that why Socrates set him up for the fall of the Mutilation of the Herms? I read it that Alcibiades resisted Socrates’ homosexual proselytization. Semeion~enwiki ( talk) 15:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
The article states Alcibiades had a lisp, and quotes an English translation of Aristophanes' Wasps (unsourced) in wich the S is replaced by Th. This is not the case in the greek original, in which R are replaced by L. I don't know if this can be considered a lisp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.103.181.178 ( talk) 13:59, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
The Uncle of History has just deleted the main image for this article (shown at right), which has been the main image for the past eleven years, ever since this revision ( [2]) on October 17, 2006. His explanation for removing the image was "all that is is a Roman copy of an earlier Greek portrait bust of a random good looking Greek youth, which some museum curator in modern times has put on a modern pillar and inscribed "Alcibiades" on it, on the basis of no evidence at all." I would like to know what his sources are for this information. If what he said is indeed correct and the bust is, in fact, totally unconnected to Alcibiades, I will agree with the removal. If, however, there are any sources arguing that the bust may actually represent Alcibiades, I would propose that the image should be kept and that the caption should merely be tweaked to say that some scholars think it represents Alcibiades (citing a reliable source that says so), but that others disagree (citing a different source arguing this point). -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 20:10, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
@ The Uncle of History: What do you think of using this image for the infobox? I like it because it is a high quality painting by François-André Vincent, an artist who is not totally obscure; it is a relatively close-up view on Alcibiades (even though Socrates and Aspasia are also in the painting); and the iconography used to depict Alcibiades is fairly consistent with that used in other paintings. If you do not have any objections, I will put it in the infobox. -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 20:07, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
I fixed two instances of a dead link, specifically: [old] [1] [new] [2]
Same original material, same source, so I figured I could go ahead and just replace the old url with the new.
Now that I've done so, however, I don't know what to do about note [e], which made a lot of sense as long as the link was dead, but now seems redundant...
I've never edited wikipedia before and I don't want to be "aggressive" in deleting other people's work, so I thought I'd just leave this note here to seek advice Hasadigaeebowai ( talk) 16:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
References
e
, the one starting Thucydides records several speeches …, it does not appear to be affected in any way by the new link. Nor do I quite see how the link could affect a footnote in any material way. Article text and explanatory footnotes like this are part and parcel of our article on a given topic, while citations or references to a given source (in this case, the link you fixed) are a tool to verify that the information in our article (including the explanatory footnotes) is accurate. The existence of information somewhere outside Wikipedia does not make the same information here redundant. If that was not what you had in mind, perhaps you could elaborate? -- Xover ( talk) 06:24, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
The biggest issue I see here is the sourcing. There's way too much reliance on primary sources as there should be for a Wikipedia article. ( t · c) buidhe 20:22, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
What's up with the tone of this writing? It reads like a campfire tale or a eulogy, instead of an encyclopedic article. It gives account of historical facts with weird narrative phrasing, speculating over personal traits of the man and formulating hypotheticals on the fly. I quote "Alcibiades took part in the Battle of Potidaea in 432 BC, where Socrates was said to have saved his life.[18] Alcibiades later returned the favour by rescuing Socrates at the Battle of Delium in 424 BC."
"Alcibiades was famed throughout his life for his physical attractiveness, of which he was inordinately vain."
This is not of encyclopaedic relevance and reads like a personal judgment or take on behalf of whoever wrote this sentence. 2800:A4:272B:FA00:6D77:1413:1AD9:83AD ( talk) 15:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)